am I dumb or what? SPOILERS


case 1: alba is turned into a blood pie but elmer's fingers are *beep* and span, no blood, no scratches on his fingers, and the police is buying it? in any case the whole set up is absurd and makes no sense at all with both lying unconscious and dead

case 2: not sure if the last scene is a product of his twisted mind, but even so, with all the gasoline soaking in his house, the air should reek, still the DA and friends enter and stand with no precautions ?

case 3: how did affleck get pappas hunged in his cell and walked away? it's impossible unless the prison guards were out partying. Besides where would he hang himself from in that cell?

case 4: the bum blackmailing affleck, why was he begging in the street if he was a pipefitter with his pockets full according to DA's comments.

i got more but i still dont get it why the movie had such a limited theater release in US barely hitting 1 mil worldwide still having a bill of 14 mil ? who's paying and backing such disturbing artsie fartsie flops.

Avoid if you can and spare the popcorn or the pizza if you have a normal stomach.

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Hi tassos! These are some good questions. I'll try my hand at answering a few of them.

1. alba is turned into a blood pie but elmer's fingers are *beep* and span, no blood, no scratches on his fingers, and the police is buying it?

The police didn't buy it. That's why they began looking for the real culprit.

2. not sure if the last scene is a product of his twisted mind, but even so, with all the gasoline soaking in his house, the air should reek, still the DA and friends enter and stand with no precautions ?

Good point. This would point to the denouement being all in Lou's mind.

3. how did affleck get pappas hunged in his cell and walked away?

Lou was a policeman so no need for the guards to really check on Pappas at the time. But still it must've been hard to get Pappas to cooperate, unless Lou somehow talked him into it. Or Lou just overpowered Pappas. I'm looking forward to reading the novel this film was based on. Perhaps there's a better explanation there.

4. the bum blackmailing affleck, why was he begging in the street if he was a pipefitter with his pockets full according to DA's comments.

The bum had obviously been on a bender, so chances are he'd run out of cash. Just because he was a pipefitter doesn't mean he had steady work either.

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Jesus! There's a level of stupidity that's plain painful to witness.

A little harsh there dude, hehe! But thanks for reading the post. Guess I should have editted that post after I read the book. I posted this on another thread though. When Lou was visiting Johnny Pappas, Johnny was relaxing on the cot in the cell. Lou took the edge of his hand and chopped Johnny in the throat thereby incapacitating him. Don't know why they didn't show something like that in the film. It would have made things a little clearer.

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You really thought he 'talked him into suicide' after confessing to being a double murderer?

No, I didn't think that. Read my post again. I said unless he talked him into it. It was somewhat facetious, but guess it's difficult to follow one's tone when only writing.

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The fact that you even entertained the notion was more disturbing than the Jessica Alba beating scene.



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little wing you are very patient and kind to tolerate the obvious troll trying to make you lose your temper.

i admire that quality and wish i had your ability.

you are very mature and it is refreshing to see post like yours.

thanks.

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alba is turned into a blood pie but elmer's fingers are *beep* and span, no blood, no scratches on his fingers, and the police is buying it?

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Add to that the fact that she, despite firing multiple shots, will have no powder residue on her hands...

Also, with them both left at the scene, how was he planning to explain the missing blackmail money ?

For a cop, that was one naive set-up...

Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. - Bill Maher

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Add to that the fact that she, despite firing multiple shots, will have no powder residue on her hands...

Not sure if forensics was that advanced back in the 50's.


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Back then they had a nitrate test. Not as advanced as the things they have now, but they could have tested for it and should have, given the circumstances.

Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. - Bill Maher

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Thanks Demarates. Wasn't sure about what they had in the way of testing back then. I guess we can just chalk it up to the fact that Central City was a bit of a backwater town. Or maybe they did eventually do some kind of testing which would be one of the reasons they began looking at other suspects for the murder. As powerful and controlling as Conway was you'd think he'd have ordered testing - unless he was just so convinced that Joyce did it.

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No one has mentioned that Lou put on leather gloves before bashing Alba

And the reason that the cops don't smell gasoline at the end is that Lou is imagining those final scenes.

I see things that never were and say WHAT THE..!.

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"Lou put on leather gloves before bashing Alba."

Correct. That way, his hands would display less damage (although he would still have swollen knuckles), but the guy he was trying to frame had his hands in mint condition. Any decent coroner would have picked up on that.

Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. - Bill Maher

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Yes! I hadn't thought of that. That is much more damning than the absence of powder. His hands would have had to have at least SOME blood on them. Actually, Lou could be entered into any list for "worst serial killers". He does nothing right at all. He screws up the flat tyre business, he murders Alba and that guy in a way that would be instantly suspicious anywhere else. And his killing of Amy and the bum is also completely haywire. He was lucky to get away with that one at all.

I see things that never were and say WHAT THE..!.

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Obviously one might argue (for the second double murder) that he was panicking due to the blackmail by the bum and coming apart mentally, that he maybe wanted to be caught at that point.

But not for the first one, as he had plenty of time to prepare and think things through.

Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. - Bill Maher

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I know this is unrelated but i saw the subject title and couldn't help myself from quoting the bum/pipefitter:

- "You ask an unpleasant question, you might get an unpleasant answer."

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.4 The bum's pockets were only full because Lou had given him the rest of Elmer's money before he walks in on Amy.





"Flash where have you been?"
"Where haven't I been! Wooof!!"

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re case 4: the bum had his pockets stuffed with cash because the sheriff gave him a wad of it when he walked in, and said, "the rest's in the kitchen." remember? there are a fair number of plot holes, but that wasn't one of them.

me, I want to know why Lou thought it was in any way, shape, or form necessary to kill Amy. perhaps it was clear in the book, but it sure wasn't in the movie.

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my thought was he didn't really want to marry her. he just said he did because he needed her support to try to get away with his crimes. it's better to have a wholesome image with a supposed nice girl telling everyone how great you are than to have her telling the cops who think you're lying to them that you cheated on her.
to him, killing her and blaming it on the guy trying to blackmail him fixed both problems.

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its a sickness that creeps up on him that he must kill. no rationale needed

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