I don't get it.


What was the doctor doing to his wife with the drugs?

Why did Jimmy give a crap that the girl was lying about her dead father?

What was the gambler doing with a hundred thousand dollar check? Did he win his money back? If so, why did he not pay back the loan sharks rather than allow them to break his hand?

What was the point of the whole story?


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I think Jimmy just wanted someone else to confirm what really happened. I have no idea about your other questions, I came to the forum looking to discuss those two points specifically.

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It seems implausible to me that a kid that age (or anyone) would give a rat's as s about how his friend lied about her father pissing his pants. Who cares? Let her have her fantasy! In what way could it (in reality) possibly affect him?

It makes very little sense as do a lot of other things that happen in the film.

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It seems implausible to me that a kid that age (or anyone) would give a rat's as s about how his friend lied about her father Who cares? Let her have her fantasy! In what way could it (in reality) possibly affect him?

It makes very little sense as do a lot of other things that happen in the film.


Thank you for echoing the same thought that went through my head when I watched it. Why did that kid feel such a need to sully that little girl's memory of her dad's final moments. She lost her father, who was her best friend - if she wanted to say he was brave & become uber-religious in order to cope, good for her! Better than shutting herself off to everything & then playing w/a loaded gun like that douche!

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i think the doc wanted to treat something successfully so he gave his wife migraines so he could cure them

no one will be safe until the last politicians' intestine is wrapped around the last priests' neck

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the doctor was upset that he had lost his skills of saving lifes, beginning with the fact that he lost anne's father. so he became obsessed with trying to help and treat everyone, so he merely killed his wife.

jimmy, himself, is described before the accident as a cheerful boy, who talks too much and is frank with everyone. as anne forbids him to tell 'anything',this secret, he has hide, with time becomes a too heavy burden for him. his parents get divorced- beacuse of this father's ensurance issues- he doesn't want to believe that jimmy has problems- also their elder child died in a war and he was his father's favourite son. plus that he was constantly pushed by anne.


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"the doctor was upset that he had lost his skills of saving lifes, beginning with the fact that he lost anne's father. so he became obsessed with trying to help and treat everyone, so he merely killed his wife."


None of that was clear from watching the film. We see him give her some drug to make her migraine headache go way and then sneak another drug into her food to cause migraines. It's not clear that he's SO traumatized about losing the shooting victim that he would need to get his rocks off by repeatedly curing his wife's migraines.

If that was the director's intention, he failed.


"jimmy, himself, is described before the accident as a cheerful boy, who talks too much and is frank with everyone as anne forbids him to tell 'anything',this secret, he has hide, with time becomes a too heavy burden for him. his parents get divorced- beacuse of this father's ensurance issues- he doesn't want to believe that jimmy has problems- also their elder child died in a war and he was his father's favourite son. plus that he was constantly pushed by anne."


I got all that, but I'm at a complete loss as to why Jimmy would give a sh!t that Annie would want to cover up the pants pissing incident. How does that affect anything? The dude got shot and killed. Who cares if he pissed his pants or not? It's irrelevant. If Jimmy had a "thing" for Annie, then maybe I could see him wanting to be the hero TO her (instead of her father), but as it is he just seems to have no motivation or cause.

Annie won't own up to the truth about the pants pissing or the comment about praying? So what? How is it relevant to anything?

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well, i'll try to assemble all i could try, from reading the book, although i didn't really like it.

the one thing i remember about anne and her father was their special relationship- he was like her hero.and she was mad to find him, trying to hide under the table with the kids, instead of trying to confront the killer, as she would have expected him to do.

jimmy did have a thing for anne, and actually he is the one hiding her under the table. anne's father is fond of him, while anne is annoyed that jimmy and her father are close.

maybe i don't really sound convincing, but as i said, i only remember some fragments of the book.

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"well, i'll try to assemble all i could try, from reading the book, although i didn't really like it. "


I appreciate that, but you really can't use the book to explain what didn't work in the movie. The film has to stand on its own.


"the one thing i remember about anne and her father was their special relationship- he was like her hero.and she was mad to find him, trying to hide under the table with the kids, instead of trying to confront the killer, as she would have expected him to do. "


Seriously? That would have made more sense to see it in the movie. It's a good thing they left that out.


"jimmy did have a thing for anne, and actually he is the one hiding her under the table. anne's father is fond of him, while anne is annoyed that jimmy and her father are close. "


Wow. I sure didn't get any of that from the film. It sounds like the screenwriter and/or the director screwed the pooch with respect to the adaptation.

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In my own opinion, which i am not trying to impose on anyone, is that this movie is the one of the most pretentious movies i have ever seen. The director is trying desperately to copy the atmosphere of movies like (21 Grams), (Traffic), and other (seemingly-unrelated-eventually-interwoven) kind of movies. This movie was a big mess. The ideas represented were extremely shallow, although the director was trying to polish them to look original. well, they werent. The original friend who started this posted pointed out that why would the Josh give a heck about Fanning's attempt to show his father as a hero who died with faith. Well, that might be the case if Albert Camus was hiding under the table, not an american (and californian on top of that) teenager that has his messenver id as (sniperman) PPLLEAAASE ... This kind of existential dialectic might have characterized teenagers during the student french revolution in the sixties, and those guys really knew what they talked about, before emptying their stomachs out of disgust in the alleys of Le Cartier Latin in Paris. But Mr.Director please. Whatever idea you were trying to convey was not conveyed, and the pretentiousness of this movie surpassed any expectation that i had. Forest Whitaker is a superb actor, actually, he is one of my favorite, but why on earth did he accept this meaningless role, a (menopausal) man who was diagnosed with cancer, who had run small business all of his life, whose only daughter got a divorce and was left with a child alone to struggle with the system, and who obviously got many debts to insurance companies, as well as loan sharks due to his old gambling habit... all that is cool, but what does that has to do with the luck streak (getting the free beverage, been shot 2 mm close to the carotid artery and surviving, and the winning in the casino), the director IMO was trying to show that all of these (god-gifts) meant nothing when you have Kidney cancer (scene with hematuria), and when you cant get your penis to work as you want it to work !! this is sweet, but really mundane, and boring. I am not going even to bother commenting on the hillbilly waitress (no offense to any southerners, but thanks to American movies, a hillbilly was stereotyped enough, again no discrimination intended)Her role was really irritating, an uneducated single mom, who curses the day her child was born because it have cost her some carnal pleasures !! who spends the time watching TV while the child is crying, and who is trying hardly, but inefficiently to join the upper-middle class (by trying to lure the doctor, and attending the funeral of perfect strangers who belonged to that class). Now comes the comes guy pearce's role(the know it all thorax surgeon, pediatrician, ER doctor (please movie makers, at least consult with someone in the medical field before representing a health professional role in your productions, how would you feel if i made a movie about a script writer who handles lighting and cameras as part of his normal job) (Pearce is really one of my favorite actors as well, actually he and whitaker were the reason i rented this dull movie), one of the friends on these boards referred to the fact that he was trying desperately to be needed. But there was no reason for that, his wife obviously loves him (and if not him, his money, or because he is good looking lol not that i am a misogynist or anything) so why on earth would Pearce try to be god (as his friend told him in the hospital) the healer & the annihilator ... it just doesnt make anysense unless you would give us some flashbacks of his years as a teenager being as an outcast among his peers ( which is a recurring theme in the American movies) ...

In a nut shell, Dont waste your time, dont watch the movie, and if you want something similar but far more superior to this circus, try 21 Grams, Traffic, maybe (Crash), The unbearable lightness of being, or even (Edmond)

Sorry for the long post, waiting for the trolls and their insults lool

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RE-POST with paragraphs:

In my own opinion, which i am not trying to impose on anyone, is that this movie is the one of the most pretentious movies i have ever seen. The director is trying desperately to copy the atmosphere of movies like (21 Grams), (Traffic), and other (seemingly-unrelated-eventually-interwoven) kind of movies. This movie was a big mess. The ideas represented were extremely shallow, although the director was trying to polish them to look original. well, they werent.

The original friend who started this posted pointed out that why would the Josh give a heck about Fanning's attempt to show his father as a hero who died with faith. Well, that might be the case if Albert Camus was hiding under the table, not an american (and californian on top of that) teenager that has his messenver id as (sniperman) PPLLEAAASE ... This kind of existential dialectic might have characterized teenagers during the student french revolution in the sixties, and those guys really knew what they talked about, before emptying their stomachs out of disgust in the alleys of Le Cartier Latin in Paris. But Mr.Director please. Whatever idea you were trying to convey was not conveyed, and the pretentiousness of this movie surpassed any expectation that i had.

Forest Whitaker is a superb actor, actually, he is one of my favorite, but why on earth did he accept this meaningless role, a (menopausal) man who was diagnosed with cancer, who had run small business all of his life, whose only daughter got a divorce and was left with a child alone to struggle with the system, and who obviously got many debts to insurance companies, as well as loan sharks due to his old gambling habit... all that is cool, but what does that has to do with the luck streak (getting the free beverage, been shot 2 mm close to the carotid artery and surviving, and the winning in the casino), the director IMO was trying to show that all of these (god-gifts) meant nothing when you have Kidney cancer (scene with hematuria), and when you cant get your penis to work as you want it to work !! this is sweet, but really mundane, and boring.

I am not going even to bother commenting on the hillbilly waitress (no offense to any southerners, but thanks to American movies, a hillbilly was stereotyped enough, again no discrimination intended)Her role was really irritating, an uneducated single mom, who curses the day her child was born because it have cost her some carnal pleasures !! who spends the time watching TV while the child is crying, and who is trying hardly, but inefficiently to join the upper-middle class (by trying to lure the doctor, and attending the funeral of perfect strangers who belonged to that class).

Now comes the comes guy pearce's role(the know it all thorax surgeon, pediatrician, ER doctor (please movie makers, at least consult with someone in the medical field before representing a health professional role in your productions, how would you feel if i made a movie about a script writer who handles lighting and cameras as part of his normal job) (Pearce is really one of my favorite actors as well, actually he and whitaker were the reason i rented this dull movie), one of the friends on these boards referred to the fact that he was trying desperately to be needed. But there was no reason for that, his wife obviously loves him (and if not him, his money, or because he is good looking lol not that i am a misogynist or anything) so why on earth would Pearce try to be god (as his friend told him in the hospital) the healer & the annihilator ... it just doesnt make anysense unless you would give us some flashbacks of his years as a teenager being as an outcast among his peers ( which is a recurring theme in the American movies) ...

In a nut shell, Dont waste your time, dont watch the movie, and if you want something similar but far more superior to this circus, try 21 Grams, Traffic, maybe (Crash), The unbearable lightness of being, or even (Edmond)

Sorry for the long post, waiting for the trolls and their insults lool

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Sorry M i didnt get your comment on the post, you have just copied my reply and reposted it ...

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Try using paragraphs, good grief!

I was thinking the exact same thing when Jimmy made Anne confess to her mother. Why was it that he cared so much?

I also didn't understand why Guy Pearce was poisoning his wife so he could just cure her. I've received a couple explanation's, but nothing is really concrete. I thought I simply missed something in the film, apparently not.

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The girl was making out her father died a hero and was in denial, Jimmy forced her to face the fact that her father died scared, pissing his pants and did not do anything to protect them, unlike the black guy who's action's saved Jimmy's life. Jimmy knew she had to face the truth in order to get on with life, and also the reason Jimmy cared so much is that Jimmy's brother ended up a vegetable, but he did so as hero, fighting for his country and protecting his fellow troops. He was not in denial about how his brother ended up. I think Jimmy had a lot of issues with the fact the father just sat there, knew he was about to die and just begged, he did not try to save the kids, but humiliated himself instead in front of his daughter. It's also the classic flight or fight syndrome, and Jimmy felt Anne was putting up dad on a pedestal, and combined with Jimmy's brother, it was something that was bound to come out, all the pent up emotion.
With Guy poisoning his wife, well easy, he only get a small amount of sympathy after telling her about the opening the door for the shooter, she was more interested in her life with him, i.e rich doctor. Sure she loved him, but he felt that by poisoning her he had control over the situation, unlike when he went inot the dinner, he had no control over what would happen. He also wanted his wife to be the one that needed him, he felt he had to find this out and it went a little to far, being involved in a shooting messes with your head.

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I think that the thing with Pierce and his wife is that he enjoyed "being needed", that his wife liked when "he played doctor"
Didn't want to kill her nor cure her. I think that he wanted to cause here a mild condition, just so that he would come to the rescue and feel useful

After the shooting-in which without knowing opened the door to the killer-and after not being able to save Anne's father he start thinking that whatever he did was wrong. So he just want to feel useful again

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The girl was making out her father died a hero and was in denial, Jimmy forced her to face the fact that her father died scared, pissing his pants and did not do anything to protect them, unlike the black guy who's action's saved Jimmy's life. Jimmy knew she had to face the truth in order to get on with life, and also the reason Jimmy cared so much is that Jimmy's brother ended up a vegetable, but he did so as hero, fighting for his country and protecting his fellow troops. He was not in denial about how his brother ended up. I think Jimmy had a lot of issues with the fact the father just sat there, knew he was about to die and just begged, he did not try to save the kids, but humiliated himself instead in front of his daughter. It's also the classic flight or fight syndrome, and Jimmy felt Anne was putting up dad on a pedestal, and combined with Jimmy's brother, it was something that was bound to come out, all the pent up emotion.


Did CLOO delete the scene where we learn that Jimmy's brother became a vegetable after getting injured in the war? I knew he had a brother who was a Marine, whom I presumed was dead, because they showed a picture of some guy in a uniform & he had USMC stickers on his mirror, etc. I figured he was dead 'cuz Jimmy's white trash dad was arguing with his mom about it & the mom said they needed to focus on Jimmy's trauma. How are we to know the Marine brother was a hero? Lots of military guys get hurt or killed in action & they aren't doing anything heroic. My ex was a Marine & I heard plenty of stories about some of the morons the military lets in who wind up getting hurt or worse, getting other people hurt. Sullying Anne's memory of her dad served no one. The kid was a jerk & should've turned that gun on himself.

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no you didn't miss anything. and at first I didn't really get it either, because it's confusing and somewhat lame.

the doctor felt really guilty about holding the door open for the killer, so that was his way of trying to "cope". he felt responsible for the deaths, so to cope he had to try to cure something and feel like a hero. I feel like at that point either she was getting well too quickly, and he was bothered by it, or he simply was worried about the side effects of the first drug. and so apparently without checking for the side effects of the first drug, which might make her suspicious, he started giving her the second drug to counter the effects of the first drug. then he put the second drug in her soup, which was fine, but then she apparently ate the leftovers and O.D.ed from that (I didn't even see her eat it the second time, she just put it in a Thermos, which only added to the confusion.) and why didn't he just put the liquid drugs into her bowl when she was about to have it the first time, because that was too logical, and would not leave her in a precarious position, I assume. convenient plot twist.

on some level, I was actually surprised he didn't cheat on the wife to help himself feel better and get over his guilt. maybe he was about to (it sort of seemed like it), but then he was called away by her possibly dying.

clearly he had never given her either of the drugs prior to the shooting, since a) she seems to be always having the migraines and not taking anything for it and b) he asks the other doctor what drugs to use, and what effects the drugs have.

he seems like a pretty bad doctor, if he doesn't know how to properly prescribe drugs or get drug information, to help migraines. he has to ask the competent doctor what to do, and what the side effects are and what to do about those. maybe we are supposed to believe he's really a pediatrician which is why he doesn't know anything about migraines (and why has he never helped in the past? his wife just suddenly started having migraines at the same time as his tragic diner incident?), but when he's on the phone with his wife he says he has a "pedia" case which leads us to believe he is normally just a general practitioner.

also, the doctor called family services on the woman played by Beckinsale but there was no outcome from that, that I even saw. did they take the kid from her? no, right? it was kind of pointless I think, why did they even add it? it's like "hi we need to ask you some questions before we give you your kid back, first are you a slut?" wtf

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see, he put in paragraph breaks for you so it would actually be readable to the average person.

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Lol@ the lack of paragraphs. When you run into a wall that big, you just skip to the next one that's easier to climb.

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the whole movie was rather confusing and odd...

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Briliantly put Dr even without paragraphs!

YEs I thought the movie was a bit ostentatious; trying to emulate movies like Crash, Traffic and Syriana. It was very obvious even with the beginning credits.

I too watched the movie because of Forrest Whitaker and Guy Pierce. They played their characters well but it still doesnt make this a good movie.

To be honest i personally wished all the people who lived from the shooting at the diner dead instead! The way they handled their respective grief was weird and down right annoying. Contains spoilers!


- A (traumatised??) professional surgeon/heart specialist/pediatrician starts "playing" doctor with his wife?? Why is he still a doctor if he cant handle trauma?? Come to think of it was he really traumatised? Did he witness the shooting??

- The waitress is traumatised so shes infatuated with hooking up with the doctor and forgets her baby (which she obviously cares for right before the incident)?

- A crime scene has occured and police gets stationed around the hospital - but a murder witness (Forrest Whitaker) can simply walk out in his hospital gown and dissappear?

- So what if he pissed his pants? Big deal. And yes if your girlfriend's dad pissed his pants just before being shot you should use a gun to force her to admit it in the diner where it happened. Wow now thats gold. That made me laugh.

To think that the whole turning/revelation point in this movie was a "pissing in his pants" scene!

This show was convoluted, annoying, and not though provoking as it intended out to be.

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the one thing i remember about anne and her father was their special relationship- he was like her hero.and she was mad to find him, trying to hide under the table with the kids, instead of trying to confront the killer, as she would have expected him to do.


I saw this last night on CLOO & I don't remember any scene where the dad tried to hide under the table with the kids. Was that in the director's cut or something? I remember Dakota Fanning's character telling that jerk kid Jimmy to get under the table & then in the flashbacks, her dad's phone went off & the killer walked over to the table & that's when he pointed the gun on the dad & the dad peed himself (I'm sure that would happen to any one of us if we had a gun pulled on us) & then the guy shot him. Dakota spilled the Coke on his crotch to disguise the fact that he'd peed himself & told Jimmy to keep quiet about it. For some reason, that drove the little douche crazy & he flipped out & grabbed his white trash dad's gun. Why he wanted to sully the memory of the only decent father figure he had is beyond me.

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I watched this movie and thought it was mediocre.

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I "got" why the doctor was acting the way he was, from guilt etc., but what I didn't get was the action of the boy(Jimmy). It seems that the director skipped the explanation all together on why he needed the "truth" to be out. Dakota Fanning's character(Anne) wanted to remember her Dad as a hero, not dying scared and peeing when he was about to die.

Like someone else posted (who read the book) It could have been understandable if Jimmy was the hero (to try to save his friend) and didn't get credit for it, instead, Anne's Dad got all the admiration, then we would have known the reason behind Jimmy's action. And the scene where Jimmy was questioning Dakota's character and when she started saying "He(her dad) did..." then the boy said "nothing", it would have had more impact. But when the truth was revealed I was scratching my head thinking, "ok, why was he so upset???"

I do think the film has interesting subjects showing how individuals react differently after a traumatic incident, but I wished it had more.









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Your right, I just read the book and the movie leaves wide gaping holes that you get lost in. In the book it explains the reasoning behind the doctor and his needs after the shooting and why Jimmy felt the way he did with the secret. I soon realised that the secret was going to be just that, pissing in his pants when I first saw them with the perp at the diner, no brainer there, but I thought o.k in the scheme of things that was not biggy the guy was scared. It was the same with Columbine massacre when the African American kid deficated himself right before being shot and killed, did that make him any less of a hero because he hid under a table scared and did not do anything but deficate himself and not save kids, and that was a real life situation. This was a story and what could dad do anyway, Forrest moved and the perp shot at him, so how was dad suppose to move and save them. It seemed Jimmy might have felt better if dad took it like a man and not pissed himself, cause in the book Jimmy's dad does not like girl sissy babies and that's how he brought up Jimmy. Anyway the book is far better and if they followed it more, it could have made for a better film.

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So...How did Forrest Whitaker's charactor get the check at the end if he gambled all the money away?

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"So...How did Forrest Whitaker's charactor get the check at the end if he gambled all the money away?"

That's just it he didn't gamble it away he won the 100k at craps then pretended like he blew it all to get the loan sharks who already had a marker on him from a previous debt (remember what Detective said to his daughter) to mark him 25k. He purposely lost the 25k so it would appear to the loan sharks that he was just a down and out gambling loser not worth the trouble other than breaking his arm
to teach him a 25k lesson. Still this movie was confusing and pretty much sucked balls.

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he actually won more than 100k I believe... but we don't know exactly how much. remember all the expensive gifts he bought from the gift shop (what happened to them after that anyway? they disappeared), the money he blew on the stupid ho, etc. he just planned to leave with 100k.

apparently whatever was in the brown envelope was what was left over, after the gifts, ho, over and above the 100k. I think he could have paid off his previous debt with some of the winnings but chose to deal with it in his own way. since he was lucky, he decided to get another 25k "and change" and either use the winnings from that to pay it all off, or if he busted then he would get his arm wrecked. personally I think for 25k they would have killed him AND taken his car, not just broken his arm and the car. but that's just me.

and they never found the check on him since they only said empty your pockets and give me your wallet. that was one of the parts I actually liked was the settling of his score. my gf didn't get it though.

I didn't really catch what he was going to do with the 100k. is it going to help cure his cancer or just go to his daughter (she doesn't seem to need it THAT bad, living in his "free and clear" house for nothing. get a job you lazy POS. but if he's really dying she'll need it to support herself going forward.

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I just got the sense that the boy couldn't take it anymore, and finally had to confront the girl about it. it seems like there were one of two reasons he didn't speak after the shooting. one was he couldn't cope, and two he was desperately trying not to say anything bad about the dad that died, to contradict everything she was spewing.

his only recourse was to let it finally all come out, which ended up being only to her mom. but he forced her to admit it and say it herself, rather than be the one to reveal the truth. that way nobody could question that he might be lying and turn into a case of "he said, she said".

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I think alot of people are forgetting that Jimmy had a gun pointed to his head and would have been shot if it hadn't been for Charlie (Whitaker's character). This scenario would freak anyone out. How does this have a bearing on whether he would care about Anne's father not being a hero like she lied about?

Well, when Anne insists that Jimmy not say anything about how her father really reacted just before getting shot, maybe he interpreted this as her meaning not to say anything about the shooting at all. Plus, you'd think Jimmy would be pretty upset after almost getting shot and her lack of sympathy towards him. Granted, she has just lost her father, but you don't see her shed any tears for him until the end of the movie.

Anne was so focused on painting her Dad as a hero that she forgot about how Jimmy might feel about the whole scenario and what she is doing. The fact he didn't die a hero and the references to Jimmy's older brother being a soldier who was injured/killed (can't recall which) must have really hurt him. Jimmy's father might also be an influence as he makes it quite clear to Jimmy that he wants him to keep his mouth shut (at least until his father starts receiving medical benefits from his employer)

Anne is actually a bit manipulative in her actions. She doesn't want Jimmy to talk to the councillor/psychologist (so her 'hero' father story remains water tight) and twice leaves him hanging on a computer messenger when he really needed to chat to her. Then she goes and saves him from jumping off a bridge (i think it was a bridge), but it makes you wonder why she's really doing this. To win his trust back after pushing him away maybe?

So I think there is more to it than Jimmy saying nothing about Anne's father wetting himself just before being murdered. The whole shooting scenario, Anne twisting the truth, and the way Anne and his father reacted to him/interacts with him afterwards is something else that must be considered to explain Jimmy's emotional pain and subsequent actions. His taking the gun to the diner at the end of the movie was a little too much though....

Maybe I'm way off the mark but that's how I saw it. But that's what I liked about this movie - many things are left unexplained and scenarios are left open to interpretation. Certainly not a masterpiece and a bit disjointed at times, but worth the price of admission.
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OK, most of you have the facts wrong.

Bruce (Pearce) gave his wife one drug to help keep her from getting migraines-a drug with a lethal effect when she consumed too much of the soup because she took it with her without him knowing. He WAS NOT trying to kill her.

Jimmy cared because he secretly loved Anne (Fanning), and was distraught over the death he witnessed. He could not come to terms with what he saw because Anne turned into someone completely fake in order to save her father's honor (also why she poured the drink; to disguise the piss). He needed closure and wanted his friend and love back.

Charlie (Whitaker) got the loan from the sharks to give the money to his family (from which he had taken all of their savings). He felt lucky because of his brush with death, and gambling his family's live savings and would not leave them to poverty. He paid the price of his foolishness by allowing the sharks to smash his hand.

The point!
The point of the movie is that these characters were broken into fragments of what they were by witnessing the death of a person. Fanning was broken into a girl who could not allow her father to be disgraced. Jimmy became a distraught boy who had his faith in humanity destroyed by a person he cared about the most (Anne). Charlie became a man who believed he had an unreasonable amount of luck, and his life was infallible. Clara (neglectful mother Beckinsale) begins abandoning her child because she loses her ability to maintain her own life. Bruce is stricken with guilt over the incident, and doses his wife to attempt to relieve his guilt for not being able to save lives; a doctor's job.

This movie was very hard to following and I found it infuriating. Other than that, not bad; needs to get to the freaking point. A movie that is not for the casual movie-goer.

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Jimmy cared because he secretly loved Anne (Fanning), and was distraught over the death he witnessed. He could not come to terms with what he saw because Anne turned into someone completely fake in order to save her father's honor (also why she poured the drink; to disguise the piss). He needed closure and wanted his friend and love back.


Trashing her dad's memory won't get her love back, I can guarantee you that! The little jerk should've just gone out to the woods & shot himself if he was so tortured that Anne told people her dad was brave rather than admit that he peed himself, which is what pretty much anyone would do if they had a gun pulled on them.

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maybe 'the little jerk' wanted to talk to the psychiatrist but he couldn't because anne forbid him to say anything...

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I guess some people just don't like following movies.

1) The reason why the doctor (Guy Pearce) began the whole drug obsession was that he had accidentally nicked an vital artery in one of the shooting patients wounds, causing them to bleed to death. The guilt of that + the guilt of him opening the door to the shooter causes him to frantically search for the nearest possible redemption, his wife. His wife suffers severe migraines and so he gives her medicine which makes her feel better. The guilt adds up and he develops a disorder relatable to Münchausen syndrome by proxy (Münchausen syndrome by proxy is the syndrome where one causes harm to another to gain attention. The doctors case is that he finds the need to cause his wife harm to "save" her every time)

2) Jimmy is a 14/15 year old kid who witnessed a violent murderous rampage upfront. He hides Anne under a table and actually gets the gun pointed at him. Don't you think you'd be the least bit traumatized by this? He struggles to hold onto the thing he finds most important, and that's Anne. Anne had been Jimmy's best friend for a long time and they'd always been honest with each other. Anne's situation of her fathers death and her glimpse of the church during the shooting warp and mangle her personality until she becomes an entirely different type of girl. Jimmy cannot accept this, as his personality has been affected too. Jimmy develops severe depression over the secret Anne has told him to keep. I don't think Jimmy would've had a problem with it, but Anne went on to detail how her Father was a heroic man who was brave in the face of evil, but really just was a coward. Jimmy, extremely emotional, can't take the fact that Anne is lying and is gaining all of this popularity as a motivational ambassador for faith, when he's still stuck below her.

3) Charlie won a lot of money. Yes? He began to lose it, so he went to loan sharks for help. While there, he had a revelation. He was dying, and nothing was worth more than his kids getting the best future he could provide for them. He wins $100,000 dollars, cashes it and hides it in his sock/shoe. He knew the loan sharks wanted the money, and he didn't want them to take any. So he made a pretty small sacrifice if you ask me. They just broke his arm. He walks away with a broken bone and $100,000 for his kids to keep until his time comes.

The movie is a beautifully rendered look at the lives of traumatized people. It's graphic, it's honest and it's thought-provoking. It takes a look at just one incident of violence out of the million that happen each year. How can we find happiness and meaning in a world that takes casualties like Anne's father and ruins cheerful kids like Jimmy? The answer society has chosen is turning their back to it, and pretending it isn't there. You can't expect to survive a high-speed collision by closing your eyes and counting 1,2,3 and hoping you'll be safe in your bedroom. That's just not how it happens.

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It seems like everyone has missed a crucial point about Anne. SHE WASN'T GRIEVING!!! At the funeral when she eulogizes her dad, she is almost blissing. She should have been devastated, on her knees sobbing, "daddy how I miss you and love you," and damning his murderer. Instead, she hides her grief behind lies of dad's courage and God's Glory.
Jimmy drags Anne back to the scene of the crime to confront her lies and her father's human frailties and free her to face her pain and begin to heal.

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Watched this movie because Kate Beckinsale was in it. But the movie was just awful. Most things didn´t make any sense. I expected some answers near the end of the movie, like why this guy started shooting. But nothing like that. All those storylines were so poor. For a 90 minute movie it went on and on. I watch a lot of movies, but this one was the worst of 2010 for me.

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