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Tyrion "not being mentioned at all"


Sorry, but then that's a negligent history, what a glaring oversight, he did too much important stuff

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Well don't you worry your smallfolk head about that now, alright?

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That was Tyrion’s plight, to be overlooked. It harks back to him getting no credit for leading the defeat of Stannis’ attack on King’s Landing.

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Although Tyrion did destroy a lot of ships and their soldiers (some say up to half) with the extremely effective wildfire plan, it was the Tywin-Loras alliance that finally caused Stannis to flee.

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- He was the son and rightful heir (after Jaime became KG) of Tywin Lannister
- His seizure by Cat started the war
- He was Hand of the King (#2 in the Realm)
- He was convicted of regicide of Joffrey
- He killed Tywin
- Oberyn Martell was killed as his champion.
- He was Dany's Hand

etc...

It's just a very dumb joke the put in.

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1) No one outside of Castlery Rock would have really cared enough to know that in the first place, let alone someone writing a book about a chaotic decade.
2) History would probably say that Ned Stark's treason and execution were the start of the war. Along with questions of Joffrey lineage and the Barrathion brothers making claims on the throne.
3)Tywin Lannister was Hand to the King. Tyrion merely filled in for him while he was fighting the war with the North. That's something that someone who wasn't in Kings Landing at the time may not have known, or forgotten.
And just as Varys predicted, Tyrion's role in the victory at Blackwater Bay would not be remembered by history. Joffrey, Tywin and the Tyrells would get all the credit.
4) Now this is one that he would have been remembered for. And if the show was going for a cheap laugh, it would have been funnier for Tyrion to only be remembered for the one deed he didn't do.
5) Tywin's murder might not have even been mentioned. Again, its possible the man writing the history didn't now how Tywin was killed, just that he died. Think about it, do we know how every English Lord from the middle ages died? Even the important ones we don't always know.
6) The trial by combat probably would not be mentioned. Just that Tyrion was convicted.
7)99% of every kings and emperors top advisors are not remembered by history. Even their 2nd in commands are generally not noted by history books.

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What a bullshit cheap laugh that was. Tyrion would have gone down in history as the killer of Good King Joffrey and his mighty father, as well as Hand to Danerys and mastermind of the invasion of Westeros.

Because by the end, Tyrion was the only person alive who knew he hadn't actually committed regicide.

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> What a bullshit cheap laugh that was.

Oh, well. It was a joke and while I’ve seen better jokes on the show, I think a joke gone wrong was the least problem on S8.

However, I’ve come up with the perfect justification:
It wasn’t a joke at all, it was the writers’ way of reminding us that historical "eye-witness" reports are not to be trusted because the authors had to rely on hearsay and also often made up things to match their own political opinion.


And no, I don’t actually believe that. But it sounds good as an excuse, doesn’t it?
;-)

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I will agree that it was the least of the problems with Season 8.

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I don't actually believe it either, but the idea that how history has been told to subsequent generations may or may not be accurate has been a running theme throughout the show, so if it ever turns out that the writers did do it intentionally (not that I think they did), it would actually make sense.

Chaos is a ladder and all that.

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Because by the end, Tyrion was the only person alive who knew he hadn't actually committed regicide.


Bran (thru warging) and Sansa (actual witness) knew.

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Sansa may not know that Tyrion wasn't involved. She certainly knew that Littlefinger was, but unless the SOB actually told her flat out that Tyrion was his fall guy and not part of the plot, she wouldn't know that Tyrion had no hand in it. I suspect Littlefinger never told her who was involved and who wasn't, during their time together she was his helpless pawn, and he wasn't about to give her information that would have given her power over him or his allies.

Bran would know if he'd ever care to investigate, but it's not clear how seriously anyone outside the Stark family took Bran's visions. That's a huge and unforgivable flaw in the last season, they make this schmuck king, and don't make it clear whether he's a God-king whose pronouncements are believed by all, a figurehead whom nobody takes seriously, or something in between.

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