I always thought that this show was overrated, even before season 8. Like most people i was shocked at how bad the first 4 episodes were, but i enjoyed the penultimate episode and the finale. I would put the penultimate episode in my top 3 favorite episodes of the show, purely because i didn't see that twist coming. Overall i will give it 8 out of ten, a good show but not a classic in my opinion.
shareI thought the first 2 episodes could've worked out reasonably well if the last 4 hadn't tripped all over themselves and abandoned nearly every prophecy and character arc in an anti climatic manner.
shareThat's true, but with a six episode season they needed to move it forward. Now i think about it the episode i hated most was number 3.. It gave me a headache for the first 50 minutes until they had the castle scenes. The dragon scenes and the initial battle was terrible, i had no idea what was happening
to be honest i have always thought the big battle scenes sucked
> It gave me a headache for the first 50 minutes
I seem to be the only person on the web who didn’t have any problems at all with that episode…
… well, okay, I admit it: A friend of mine saw it first and dropped my a line right away to tell me that I should watch it in a fully darkened room. And so I did. But I see that it could be a problem for people who just can’t get their room REALLY dark.
My biggest problem wasn't the darkness that everyone was complaining about.
It actually started out unbearably tense and I was on the edge of my seat..But it made the white walkers seem invincible and impossible for anyone to overcome or anyone to make it out alive..
Everyone seemed destined to be slaughtered but then most everyone survived and it was just all over ..Something that should have lasted and had more weight and dramatic impact was just dispensed with.
It's not that I wanted a lot of my favorite characters to die but why make it seem like there was no other way?..Why make everyone look like they were dead meat and then survive despite all evidence to the contrary? How about not showing all these characters in the middle of a death thrall and mislead us?
Because all challenges were going to be dispensed with in an anti climatic way..
Cersei? She loses within minutes after being the new big bad..
Daenerys? After her rampage she also only gets a few minutes before being dispensed with.
Not enough time made everything that should have been important become anti climatic.
I have no idea why D&D ever thought they could sell out the loss of all dramatic tension and character arcs by these shorter seasons.
Oh, I see, then I got you wrong on the headache part.
> But it made the white walkers seem invincible and impossible for anyone
> to overcome or anyone to make it out alive..
Yes, they did. Thus, at some point during the episode it was clear to me that there were only two possible endings left:
1. Everyone at Winterfell dies.
2. Someone gets to kill the Night King.
Option 1 was a bit unlikely ;-) so I had to be Option 2, so regarding this I found they took out a bit of suspense by making the WW+W just TOO damn strong. However they did surprise me in the end because I really didn’t count on Arya doing it. Umm, I mean killing the NK here. I also didn’t count on Arya "doing it" but that was a different ep. ;-)
And I agree that they let too many major characters survive. I mean, plot armor is fine to me (otherwise, there would be only one "Die Hard" movie, and that run only about 45min) but THIS was a bit… overdone.
Yes I totally agree. There was a real lack of dramatic and emotional weight in not just that episode but this entire last season. I wanted some Red Wedding craziness going on, when barely anything (other than how underwhelming it all was) was particularly shocking.
Everything was anti climatic, from the way the deaths came to characters too quickly and easily to certain tropes being underused like Arya's face magic or Bran's warging. How did they not incorporate Arya using another face into any plot in this final season? There was plenty of potential in that and other things that D&D completely ignored.
In terms of the Night King, I'd have been all for him winning the Battle of Winterfell, with the survivors fleeing to King's Landing. Hell, I might even have him undefeated this season, or at least have him still exist in some capacity after the finale. I mean the White Walkers weren't defeated when winter came 1000 years ago, why should a little girl get to end it all?
Yeah, I hear ya..
The WW could've driven the survivors North...What about Mel, the witch that could birth assassin babies and resurrect the dead, do something besides light torches and tell Arya to get on it. She could've done something witchy to aid in their escape..something amazing and died then and there..
Bran could've used his abilities a little better too. He could've warged into the ice dragon and taken him and his threat away. Even if it killed him.
Cersei thought she was so clever to have everyone else take care of the threat (and it was clever...but ruthless and cold) and their forces should have been depleted. Cerei could've pretended to help them out initially but either Jon has the stand off with the night king and kills him or Daenarys 2 dragons wipe out most of the WW and the NK backs off and disappears. But Cersei doesn't back off, sees her opportunity and kills one of Daenerys dragons.,
Arya uses the face of dead Jaime, who died in the night war, to get close to and assassinate Cersei but Daenerys doesn't care after her dragon is killed and goes on her rampage with the remaining Drogon.
Jon still has to kill Daenerys but isn't arrested and banned to the wall. He is proclaimed King but relinquishes his claim and goes North to lead the wildlings and hunt the NK.
The council argues but finally agrees on...whoever..Bran if he survived.., Sansa, Tyrion..insert new King or Queen..
Just some thoughts..
Interesting thoughts. I had a few ideas similar to yours about Arya using a face to get close to Cersei, be it Jaime's, or Euron's, with a bittersweet twist of her getting killed as a result of looking like someone else...Theon or Jaime as a result of looking like Euron. I don't know if it would have been a good way to go for the characters but it would at least have been rather shocking,
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