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Bronn will be ruling Westeros within a year.


Bronn is like a wolf among sheep. The others on the council except Davos are too weak, indecisive and/or naive to see it coming. Bran has that raven-sight thing, but he and Davos will be done away with in short order. They will probably have unfortunate accidents.

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Lol, I doubt it. Bronn may be many things but he is not Cersei, besides he has a huge ass castle and he is a Master of Coin. He controls the money, what more does he need? Only brothels, obviously. Then he'll die a happy man. roflmao

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Unless he grows a vagina, no way. You're underestimating the power of the empowered female plot armor.

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You can see what good all that "female plot armor" did the ladies in the end! Bran is king and the Small Council is 90% male, which was totally what I expected as the story was written by a white man who plays favorites with his characters.


Although I admit Arya's Plot Armor held up remarkably well, she didn't even get the visit I expected from Jacquen Hagar! I mean, she took power from a Death Cult and walked away, and much to my surprise neither they nor their Many-Faced God ever came for her.

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You can see what good all that "female plot armor" did the ladies in the end! Bran is king and the Small Council is 90% male

The Small Council is 90% male precisely because of the vagina effect. They've been promoting female characters so hard that they literally ran out of female characters for the Small Council.

Cersei, Daenerys and Sansa were playing for the throne. Aria AKA Captain Westeros is the first superhero in Westeros, she's probably destined to start the Westeros' Avengers franchise. Melissandre was the biggest wizard in Westeros. Being in the Small Council would have been a DEMOTION for any of them. The only female character that you could place in the Small Council was Brienne (and she is), the other ones being ABOVE that.

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Bran is king, Tyrion runs the government. The only female who ended the show with any real power is Sansa, and the price of that is being stuck in the equivalent of Saskatchewan for the rest of her life.

Only Arya is footloose and fancy free, because she's got Sam-level Plot Armor!

Plot Armor (tm)! It's stronger than a vibranium-adamantium alloy!

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Well, that's a consequence of the vagina effect. If you promote the women to pretenders to the throne, you can't place them later on in the Small Council. Not to say most of them will likely end dead.

Secondary characters are more likely to survive. Female characters, that often played secondary roles, were more likely to survive in old cinema. Female characters in westerns used to die of old age.

Now it seems they want to play the main roles AND to have the advantages of playing secondary ones. Same pattern as always: I want these advantages, but I want to keep those other ones too. I want all!!

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Everyone wants it all. I want it all, you want it all. We want to get what we want without undue sacrifice, everyone does.

FYI it's really not a good idea to go around complaining that groups of people to which you do not belong are asking too much, in a world where everyone wants everything, that's a good way to convince people you have unfashionable prejudices.

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Although I admit Arya's Plot Armor held up remarkably well, she didn't even get the visit I expected from Jacquen Hagar! I mean, she took power from a Death Cult and walked away, and much to my surprise neither they nor their Many-Faced God ever came for her.


We’ve discussed this before. (Well, I THINK I discussed this with you; if it was somebody else, sorry!)
I never had the feeling that Jacquen Hagar was unsatisfied with Arya’s development. If he had been, nothing could’ve stopped him from killing her the moment she turned his back on him.

Maybe he knew (like apparently Melisandre did) that Arya is going to kill the Night King. I doubt the Many-Faced God would have wanted the Night King to win because in that case, nobody would have died anymore because they all just turn zombie.
Think about it: What was Jacquen Hagar actually doing in Westeros when he first met Arya? We don’t know, but he didn’t seem to be on any kind of mission. He just hung around with some criminals, then with the soldiers… so MAYBE it was his mission to make contact with Arya, to push her in the direction towards the House of Black and White. Because he knew that she, given the proper training, was the one to obliterate the NK, which was (see above) in the Many-Faced God’s best interest.

It seems a bit of a stretch, yes. But I think it all fits together.

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Yeah, it's not a stretch to think that the Many-Faced God and his avatar Jacquen were opposed to the Night's King, because once the NK took over there would be no more dying and the MFG would be out of business. So maybe they made Arya a weapon to use against the night's King. So I think we're more or less in agreement on that.

It's just that when a Death Cult ruled by a rather nasty God makes someone into a weapon, they don't generally consider them free to go use their cult-given powers however they like, they want their "weapon" to use their powers in the service of the cult. Maybe that's why Arya is hauling off west, she wonders if they're coming for her.

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If they were coming for her, they’d have arrived by now.

One of these days, the OP will screw up and make a prediction that comes to pass.

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Hey, if they were coming for her, they'd only had three weeks to make the trip since she fulfilled her destiny! It takes time to travel from Essos to Westeros!


Although it also takes enough time to buy, fit out, and provision a ship for a long voyage that they'd have had plenty of time to make contact before she actually left. I consider that one to be a minor plot thread that's been left dangling open, sloppy bastards the writers have become.

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Y’know, give a guy a few dozen spare million dollars, and he goes right to hell, doesn’t he?

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You mean Bronn?

Oh, I think he'll get bored with his new life and turn to substance abuse and criminal activities just to relieve the boredom. You really can't pull that shit on a psychic king, you know.

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No, I mean the show’s writers!

Regarding Bronn, I’d be very disappointed in him if he’s not already turned to crime and recreational drug use.

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Hey, the show's writers held up to temptation a lot longer than Bronn ever would! And I really don't think the problems with S8 had anything to do with temptation on the writers' part, once they were told to cram all that into six episodes there was no hope.

As for Bronn, yeah, he'll be smoking opium and beating up gentlemen in the street because he doesn't like their shoes by now.

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I thought the Jacquen and Death Cult would "come a calling" eventually, and with some sort of plot resolution. Heck, a 1-minute cut scene near the series finale would have been nice , for example, to say something like "we let you live with your skills because you had a destiny fulfill and it is done, so come back or leave forever." It might have been a good way for he desire to sail west with virtually no explanation.

Of course, Bran would know or suspected all of this. Etc.

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I agree on the Jacquen part, that would’ve been great. Moreover, some time ago I read somewhere that Tom Wlaschiha would return for the final season, so I kind of expected something like this. But either that was simply a misinformation or they did shoot such a scene but it was deleted. If so, then I hope it’ll be on the DVD/BD editions.

However…


It might have been a good way for he desire to sail west with virtually no explanation.


She expressed her wish to see what’s west of Westeros back in Braavos BEFORE she left the Faceless Men, so it didn’t need to be explained with something that happened a long time after that. I don’t need any further explanation – sometimes people just want to do something special in their life and some of them even get to do it.
(I wanted to be an explorer when I was a kid. Boy was I disappointed when I learned there’s nothing left to explore on earth, at least not in the sense of, you know, finding new countries etc.)

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They gave Bronn the worst job for him. He'll rob the treasury blind for sure.

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I doubt that Bronn even WANTS to be the ruler.

As far as I remember, it was mentioned in some former episode that the Reach is kind of Westeros’ breadbasket. So everyone now depends on Bronn. Given his character, I think he enjoys this position much more than becoming king which would involve, you know, actual ruling, rather than just sitting back, waiting for request and making demands in turn.

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No, he just wants to rob the treasury blind and party on the proceeds. And blatantly sell his influence, and party with whomever wants to buy his services.

Okay, maybe Tyrion was supposed to be trying to do what President Roosevelt did when he made Joseph P. Kennedy the first chairman of the S.E.C. and set a notorious crook to clean up and regulate Wall Street - behind Kennedy's back he told people the plan was to "Set a thief to catch a thief". But of course if that was the plan, then like everything else in the shitshow that is S8, it wasn't fleshed out enough to be believable. It played like a bad joke.

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I sort of agree with this. I think Bronn literally went as far up the food chain he possibly could and is, essentially happy/content. I mean, what's left, become the king? Nope. He admitted he's no longer into fighting given his age, so I expect womanizing is also becoming much less of a priority, so why not be the Master of Coin and try to help people when he feels like it.

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