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Greyworm arresting Jon?

posted 5 years ago by BrunoAntony (1198)
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Greyworm has been cutting throats and stabbing dudes all season long. He’s executing people in the streets. He also has a super tight relationship with his Queen and is into “justice”.

So Jon just walks up and goes “I’d like to confess that I just stabbed the Queen, the woman who freed you from slavery and gave you back your humanity, to death. Yeah, the dragon flew away with the body for some reason, so take my word for it” and Greyworm ... arrests him.

No wonder there was a time jump, because that scene would have been ludicrous to film.

[–] Alerra (244) 5 years ago

Yeah, I didn't understand this. How did they know? There were no witnesses, and Drogon flew off with the body and the murder weapon. I know that Jon knows nothing, but surely not even he would be so naive as to just walk up to Grey Worm and confess.

Grey Worm: I wonder where the Queen is.
(blank stares from everyone nearby)
Jon: I killed her.
(more blank stares from everyone)
Grey Worm: Why?
Jon: (mumbles something about being the shield that guards the realms of men).
Grey Worm: Where did you put the body?
Jon: Drogon flew off with it.
Grey Worm: And where is Drogon?
Jon: No idea
Grey Worm: Uh huh. Riiiight.

Yeah, that interchange would have been weird.

[–] Scape (504) 5 years ago

I’m guessing, that’s why the made sure to show there was a blood stain from where she laid. That and I’m sure Jon wouldn’t lie about killing her.

But I completely agree. There is absolutely zero way that Grey Worm wouldn’t of killed Jon on the spot. So the writers took the easy route, by doing a time jump.

The other way they could have (should have in my mind) filmed that scene was with Grey Worm walking in, & not listening to Jon’s reasoning for killing her. Then they could’ve had one last epic sword fight between the two, inside the Throne room. After Jon won, then someone locks him up until they figure out what to do with him.

[–] Alerra (244) 5 years ago

But how would they have known the blood was hers? They have DNA testing down at the Kings Landing crime lab? The city had just been torched, and the Red Keep virtually destroyed. How would they have known that the blood was Dany's and not from some random government flunky who had happened to be in the throne room when the building was torched?

I like your idea of Grey Worm walking in. But I love the whole moment with Drogon too, so I'm not sure how those two moments would have played out.

But here's the other thing. Jon always was, right from the very beginning, the rightful heir to the throne. Him killing Dany would have made perfect political sense to the major lords and ladies of Westeros, if they had known. And judging by how many little scrolls are shown next to Varys in the previous episode, I'm guessing more people than just the Starks and the Reeds know by this point. If they weren't going to at least OFFER the throne to Jon, then revealing his parentage simply becomes a mcguffin. (And don't tell me it was to make sure Dany went mad. There were many other things the show could have done to get her to that point.)

I really would have liked to have seen Howland Reed in this episode. The dude is a Northern lord sworn to the Starks. WHERE HAS HE BEEN ALL THIS TIME? It would have been so easy to bring back an older looking Thomas Brodie-Sangster and put him on the dais in the dragon pit.

[–] Scape (504) 5 years ago

As far as Grey Work entering - It could of happened as we see Jon looking out at Drogon flying away with her body. Then we hear Grey Worm speak up from behind Jon. Or pan back to a shot where we see Grey Worm standing in the door way. Same way they showed Jon standing there when Dany turned around.

It would make sense for him to be standing there for a min, observing while Drogon was burning the throne.

The blood stain, I would assume that her top body guard Grey Worm knew exactly where Dany was. Inside the throne room. But even if he didn’t, by this point we know Jon would tell the first person he saw, because that’s how “honorable” he is... I still think there should’ve been some type of fight before jailing him though. Not a cheap-out with the fade-away/time jump.

I completely agree with you on all points.

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 5 years ago

Yeah an epic sword fight would of been good to watch, but maybe Jon would of just roared at him like he did with Viserion, the writers really were clueless with Jon this season, imagine if he had slain Viserion, that would of caused the White Walkers to take focus off Bran for a moment allowing Arya Stark to sneak by believably.

A duel at the end with an enraged Grey Worm would have been a fight to the death, leaving the audience not wanting to bet on the outcome, knowing this is in the last few minutes of the final season.

[–] Scape (504) 5 years ago

I know... Would have been awesome. Especially since Jon didn’t have anything to do with the Night King’s death... Which is still annoying to me..

[–] alienzen (1929) 5 years ago

Greyworm was OK with it because it subverted his expectations.

[–] Fandango (534) 5 years ago

Haha. Very nice.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Yeah, the idea of Grey Worm gleefully slaughtering Lannister prisoners yet letting the murderer of his beloved queen live had me snorting out loud!

If there had been anyone in power left but Grey Worm and if Jon weren't an honorable idiot I could believe that he'd lied at first and then suspicions had grown and they'd thrown him in jail for questioning... but Jon is a dope and Grey Worm was in charge. He stabs first and asks questions later.

[–] jackieleesk01 (18) 5 years ago

I liked the episode overall but this bit was my biggest gripe with it. Simply no way to explain this one.

[–] makdog65 (74) 5 years ago

Even if Greyworm, didn't slit Jon's throat, I'd think the Dothraki would have torn him apart.

[–] newguy33 (317) 5 years ago

And who's Greyworm after Dany's death, anyway? He's only a henchman of a fallen empress without any real political power. Yes, he has an army but without supplies because they ruined the whole city. Drogon went away and let's be honest, the dragon was the main reason of Dany's victories before. And the lords of Westeros still negotiate with Greyworm instead of killing him for his war crimes... funny. :D

[–] Atarimaster (442) 5 years ago

If they had killed Grey Worm for his "war crimes", they would have to kill a lot of Northerners, too. And by the way, killing people in a war doesn’t count as war crime, not even today. Much less in those days.

And by the way, why bother? A little lie ("We’ll punish Jon Snow!") was enough to silence him.

[–] Alerra (244) 5 years ago

Killing people in battle doesn't count. Starving civilians during a siege doesn't count. Deliberately killing civilians or other noncombatants, or executing foot soldiers after they surrender and have been disarmed is more ambiguous.

What was done at Treblinka was a war crime. A lot of what was done in Leningrad was not.

But I do agree that many of the Northerners were just as guilty.

[–] Atarimaster (442) 5 years ago

> Deliberately killing civilians or other noncombatants,
> or executing foot soldiers after they surrender
> and have been disarmed is more ambiguous.

Today, of course.
But in Westeros? I doubt they had something like the Geneva Convention.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending Grey Worm. What he did was disgusting to me. However if the Council of Surviving Characters would’ve raised the matter of "War Crimes" – THAT would’ve been bad writing to me, not the other way round.

EDIT: That Jon tried to stop the execution, was in my opinion a matter of ethics, not a "juristic" matter.

[–] TexasJack (12515) 5 years ago

I don't think GW or the Unsullied should have been executed for war crimes. However, having committed those acts, the notion of them having a voice in their deliberations and any kind of vote regarding Jon and Tyrion's fate is nonsense.

Jon's execution of Dany was undeniably just and was clearly necessary to prevent further carnage. He did it expecting to lose his own life in the process. In other words, he acted heroically, as usual.

He was the rightful heir to the throne, both by birthright and by his deeds, and he was the only logical choice to rule.

[–] Atarimaster (442) 5 years ago

GW still had the Unsullied army behind him. While small (meanwhile), it probably still was the biggest army in King’s Landing at that point. And why piss them off when you can get rid of them by lying that they’ll punish Jon?
Plus, Jon WANTED to go north. Her said so when he gave his (premature) Good-Bye to Tormund and Ghost. So why force him to be King when you can reward him by giving him what he really wants?
Two birds killed with one stone.

And since you acknowledge Jon’s deeds, why are you so eager to punish him? Taking the Throne would have a punishment for him, but he probably would have done it anyway if they had asked. Someone just needed to say something with "greater good", and he would have done it. And be unhappy for the rest of his life.

EDIT:
The first version of this posting began with "But as you said yourself (…)"
Sorry, I was wrong, I got confused, because that bit is actually in Otter’s posting below.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

"If they had killed Grey Worm for his "war crimes", they would have to kill a lot of Northerners, too."

Except that the Northerners had Sansa and the army she produced out of thin air to protect their interests, plus the little bit of goodwill that came with being a native of Westeros... while Grey Worm was a eunuch foreigner who no longer had a queen or a dragon behind him. He was exactly the kind of "other" who gets no sympathy when his number comes up.

Of course, he had whatever was left of the Unsullied army behind him, which might have earned him a bit of consideration.

[–] winslow (1318) 5 years ago

He wasn't just going around killing people for the hell of it, he was ordered to kill anyone who sides with Cersei. And he understands Jon is not just some random dude, he was previously a king, had walk-in privileges to Dany wherever she was, and whatever he did to Jon, he had to answer to potentially all of Westeros.

Dany wasn't there to give him orders, but he doesn't know for sure if she is really dead or just flew away like she did before. And what they did before was to hold the city, so he does the same here.