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There's a Stark on the Iron Throne and Sansa demands....


the North be made an independent Kingdom because it was for thousands of years. You know like all the Seven Kingdoms were before Aegon's Conquest. Heh. And everyone is like cool, we don't want to be independent either and just you know get rid of the King rather than pick your brother. And then have a huge war over the succession every time. D&D's system is beyond flawed.

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I think it was poor writing that the North were the only ones to bounce. The grey joys definitely would have told them all to fuck off and gone solo. Dorne was barely with the seven kingdoms even before all this and probably has no love for any of them.

With Kingslanding in ruins and the royal army non-existent, there will never be a better time to declare independence, yet they all remain silent? Just more shitty writing.

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Exactly. Is Tyron supposed to be representing House Lannister and the Westerlands here? I can't imagine whoever is ruling Casterly Rock/Lannisport is going to bow to the cripple either.

The Seven Kingdoms not splitting back into the Seven Kingdoms was bad writing in the first place. This is D&D just continuing the tradition.

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In the rush to finish up Season 8, she never got a chance to say *why* she was so keen on an independent North, when her father had been perfectly happy to be a subject of the king.

Perhaps it was because when the North was attacked by unearthly terrors they got diddly-squat from the king and the rest of Westeros, but she was never given a chance to say.

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The North has such a tiny population that they should be happy to get a mayor.

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The North is HUGE, noob!

But sparsely populated. It's basically Canada.

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And Canada didn't have no independent King.

It's a joke. I guess D&D really have a hard on for the Starks. We need a Stark as King of the Six Kingdoms and another Stark as Queen of the North. Pfft. Just split the Kingdoms. It makes no sense that the others wouldn't want to be independent too. What would they tell Dorne or Yara? Bend the knee or we go to war, but the North is free to go? D&D are clowns.

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I can believe that five of the seven kingdoms would decide to stay as subjects of King Bran under those circumstances. Tyrion rules the Westlands and he's HotK, Gendry and Bronn are noobs, Edmure is just out of prison and the worse for it, and Robin Arryn is completely useless. That lot either isn't secure enough in their rule to go it alone or they're clueless, they'd go with the status quo.

But Dorne??? Both Dorne and the Iron Islands had been trying to get their independence back forever!

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That's another thing. Tyrion is supposed to be the ruler of the Westerlands now? They didn't seem to have any other representation.

They got a big ass city, a big ass castle and lots of land and subjects. They are also hated and hate everyone else. I doubt they would listen to Tyrion telling them to follow Bran.

It's hilarious that is supposed to be a better system. They really believe there won't be a power struggle and likely war every time a new monarch is chosen? That in another generation the King is not going to want his children to succeed him? The characters are who they are because of who their parents were and being Highborn. It's a joke.

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Sorry, but who's the "they" in your second paragraph?

And yeah, it IS hilarious that this is supposed to be real reform, or a better system. Obviously everything is a wreck now and nobody wants yet another power struggle, so putting the infertile and useless Bran in is just a ploy for time. Obviously all the great Lords are going to ramp up for renewed power struggle when he dies or is legally declared insane, and they're ALL going to be out to found a new dynasty. Nobody has stopped believing in birthrights or familial rights, or promoting the welfare of their relatives over everyone else.

And BTW, Bran is widely thought of as crazy... and NOBODY has a problem with a new "Mad King" after all the trouble the last one caused?

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They is the Westerlands. A big ass Kingdom that had an army of 60-70,000 people when this all began and the most powerful family in the Seven Kingdoms.

It makes no sense they would accept being ruled by Bran and a traitor like Tyrion.

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Like Tyrin before him, Tyrion is now the real ruler of Westeros. What would you rather be, the ruler of one state with a crown on your head, or the real ruler of a whole continent? The position of Hand of the King actually gives a person a lot more power than King of one of the Seven Kingdoms, which IMHO is why Tywin Lannister schemed to put Robert Baratheon on the throne instead of declaring the Westerlands independent.

As for the actual people of the Westerlands… like Dany said, they don't get to choose.

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Couldn't disagree more. Each Kingdom functions like it's independent and each High Lord has more power than the King without any High Lords supporting.

Tyrion hasn't been to the Westerlands in 10 years. He's a traitor to his family. I don't buy for a second that anyone would accept his rule. And that's just besides Yara, Dorne, Edmure and the other Kingdoms. They came up with the system that makes the least sense, the King who makes the least sense and a system guaranteed to cause deep division and conflict whenever a new King is chosen.

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Well, if Tyrion becomes HotK at the same moment as he takes over the Westerlands, then his subjects might consider that a mitigating factor re all the treason and stuff. He's running the national government and its treasury, he can use his position to benefit the Westerlands. Considering the area has lost most of its fighting men and has to be suffering an economic slump as the gold mines are abandoned and so may young men are dead, maybe nobody's feeling picky. Hell, if I lived in the Westerlands, I'd accept any ruler who promised to stop all the damn wars and work on rebuilding the economy! Former Master of Coin, who must understand economics? Hey, great!

As for who has more power, a great lord, a regional king, the Hand of the King of Westeros, or the actual King of Westeros, I say it's the Hand of the King of Westeros.

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But Dorne??? Both Dorne and the Iron Islands had been trying to get their independence back forever!


That’s exactly what I thought when I saw it, BUT whe don’t know the state they’re in.
I mean, that’s what Yara wanted when she came to Dany in Mereen: The Iron Islands should become independent. However we do not know how many men she had left when she took the Iron Islands in the end. Maybe they just were not strong enough to hope to survive independently. Remember that they probably can’t make a living from the resources they have on the Iron Islands, and when they’re not strong enough to return to their way of raiding and plundering, it’s probably best to stay in the "Union".

And Dorne? We don’t know ANYTHING about it. We never saw or heard what happened there after the former ruler was killed. Maybe they still were in some kind of weakened state.

Of course, I’m just assuming things here. But we don’t have another choice but to assume, do we? After all, the showrunners decided no to let us know. :-(

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Well, we know that Dorne lost most or all of the ships and armies they sent to support Danerys's invasion, so they're probably not in a position to start a new war of independence at the moment. So they're probably doing what all the other Six Kingdoms are doing, waiting for Bran to die, so they can get the usual power struggles going in earnest.

Sure, they think he'll only be around for a few years, as paraplegics have to have a very limited life expectancy with such poor medical treatment available. Little do they know, the last 3ER lived for a thousand years!

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