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Why does everyone disliked the ending?

posted 5 years ago by Birdmant7 (202)
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I read a lot of posts here on this GOT board and I am honestly surprised why there are so many negative and disappointments? I guess you all had expectations of you wanted the ending to be but GOT of was never written that way and never what we expected or wanted really happened in this show.

I already knew from early seasons that Danny will never become the queen at the end of this show, to me the signs and clues to who she was there but many of a her hard core FANBOY club believed she was the one. So her death was not surprise to me but I didn't think it would be Jon but maybe Arya, but I knew that Dany's character in the story was written as warning of people who claim right to power. My guess for the king was actually Tyrion or one of the Starks, so Bran was actually a nice surprise and fitting to the theme of the story and Tyrion was a perfect to be the hand, because these two both never were seekers of power. The rest of the characters such as Sansa who also wanted the North to be independent, it made logical sense , Arya's character to be a survivor and now adventurer into discovery new places also fit the story's ending.

And finally Jon's sentence to go back to the Night's watch. John joined the night's watch in the very first season of this show, he wanted to find a way to find freedom of being called a bastard , but his core beliefs and teaching on ethics came from Ned Stark to always do the right thing. He killed Danerys for the threat that she was to the people and his punishment was actual fitting to theme of the story; if you recall what Tormund said to Jon last week's episode that your heart is in the north you belong to the north, that was a clue to me that Jon will return to the North but it happened unexpected sentence of punishment. Jon's riding out with the freefolk that he helped with Tormund next to him was actually a happy ending for Jon and very fitting for a man who never really wanted to be a leader. Not every person like Jon or Ned Stark, who always does the right thing; makes sacrifices to free people or fight for the people and give his life to a cause would end up getting what he really deserves; this was what to me GOT was always about, its not that life is fair; its just life and its unfair harsh realities that we come to accept. The saddest seen to me was when Jon said good-bye to Sansa and Arya because to me the Stark family was what got broken and damaged by it; they were the collateral damage of games and lies for power.

This entire show was dealing with a running theme of POWER, that's why it was called "Game of thrones", because to attain power is a game to those who seek it and killed for it and ended up getting killed; then those who never really wanted it but it came to them through unexpected circumstances and choice due to their character like Jon or Bran.

[–] jackieleesk01 (18) 5 years ago

I liked the finale, a satisfying conclusion to a legendary show. It wasn't perfect, but it was good enough for me.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

Yes I felt the same way, however; it should have been a 2 hours considering it was the ending and the season was cut short too.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Dany's death was foretold in S2, in her vision at the wizards' tower, and in the prophecy of Azor Ahai being reborn. So I expected her to die all along, but the actual event had minimal drama, there was less than five minutes of polite conversation and it was over.

Whatever idea for a climax they were trying to work up to, they missed the mark. If they wanted the story to be about power corrupting, the left the corruption to the last three episodes and it felt incredibly forced. If they wanted it to be about humanity trying to save itself from the extremes of Fire and Ice*, well, the Fire and the Ice didn't seem to have anything to do with each other, and having two unrelated climaxes to the story felt very random. If they wanted to make it about the slow rise of democratic institutions in Westeros, I don't believe for a minute that these people will give up on birthrights or the mad scramble for power.

Whatever they wanted the finale to be about, they got it wrong.

* Terry Pratchett explored the theme of the extremes of Fire and Ice first and better, in the enchanting Discworld book "Wintersmith".

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

"Whatever they wanted the finale to be about, they got it wrong."

Got it according to YOU????????????
You forget your rant last week to me about defending Danny and she should get the Iron thrown and now that you were way wrong then you are writing that it was " foretold in S2" ?
You were all lip last week but now you bring up foretold in S2 ?
You are so full of SHIT

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

All the fans with triple-digit IQs agree - whatever they were going for they made a mess of it!

But the fans with room-temp IQs and who cant keep their arguments straight liked it juuuust fine.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

Listen Otter

I don't or couldn't care less if the entire world agree if the ending was a mess. I don't follow the herd like you, I have a brain to think and make up my own mind.
As far as IQ's go?
Trust me you are a far cry in my bandwidth intellectually or when it comes to even education, you are just an ignorant little Troll who was raised on TV and probably don't even read a book in a year. You are incapable of understanding what is the story's theme, what is it trying to convey, what is a metaphor, what characters symbolize, etc. Its because you are ignorant of that kind of English literature education, all you know or ever learned is watching TV shows and stories and never really knowing what they really mean. RR Martin spend a large part of his life writing these books and if you ever take the time to even read the first book, or maybe take the time to take a class in English Literature to understand's author's themes in any story fictional stories has more in depth analysis than just watching something on TV for you to have the audacity to judge it or use fan's reviews to judge something when you can't even understand what you have watched in 8 years, because its beyond your capacity to comprehend.

So please keep your smart ass Troll comments to yourself, someone else on this board called you " arrogant prick" and do you ever wonder why you have this tendency to piss people off?
PISS OFF

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Dolt.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (12189) 5 years ago

The thing was, I think we were all cheering for Daenerys, hoping that she and Jon would end up together, with her ruling on the Iron Throne, him as her consort, and she does an epic execution of Cersei and Jamie for all to see, and rules better than the previous Targaryens. That didn't happen, and they rushed the crappy ending they shelled out to us.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

I understand what you were hoping for but Daenerys's character was a cautionary tale about the use of power, she was never going to be the Queen, the signs and clues were there from the very start but people dismissed them but I knew she will never become the leader. This show GOT was not written that way and the shift of power was at the heart of themes of the story. I agree the ending maybe rushed and it should have been two hours but the blames lies also on two greedy producers D&D who exploited these books, they cut the seasons shorter and shorter, which also killed a huge part of the essentials in the book, even RR Martin said several times in his interviews the show should have gone 10 or more seasons with 10 episodes but D&D just wanted to end it with their own version of the ending, not wait for Martin to finish the books.

[–] Scape (503) 5 years ago

You’re saying that you honestly knew, from the 1st Season, that Daenerys wouldn’t be queen?..

I have a hard time believing that. Unless it was just a random guess of yours that turned out to be correct.
That’s possible, but I doubt even the show-runners knew what they were going to do with her character at that point.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

Which part of my reply did I say I knew that from "season one"?
It's just seems ever since I posted this thread I keep getting asked weird questions that I do my
best to answer. So I will explain the best as I can but whatever you choose to believe is then your choice.
I knew maybe around season 5 or 6 that yes Daenerys or even Jon Snow will NOT be leaders of the 7 kingdoms.
It's just how I felt about the show's story, its also because I READ BOOKS and NOVELS, maybe that also help you.
I don't care what the show runners knew or didn't knew, it was just a intuitive feeling I had from watching this show's story unfolding. Nothing was black and white and it never was about good versus evil; it was about a lot more close to how unpredictable life really is and if you really look at season one and how Ned Stark died; that was the clue and how the this story was going to unfold, I already felt once Ned Stark died that everyone else we liked or disliked will die off on this show. So sorry, it maybe a random guess to YOU but it was want not to me, I actually thought that Tyrian will become king, but that my only random guess that was came close because he became the hand of the hand of the King.

[–] Scape (503) 5 years ago

> she was never going to be the Queen, the signs and clues were there from the very start but people dismissed them
> but I knew she will never become the leader.

That’s the part of your reply that made me think you were saying you knew from Season 1. And the only reason I asked.

Yes, I get what you’re saying in your other posts.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

Ok I get your point, but I am telling you something you just don't want to accept it or want to just argue to prove your point?. I had a feeling from the beginning that Danny had a arrogant attitude with a claim entitlement; also her reaction to her brother's death, the way she killed one of the slaves when she could have spare him. Also in the entire show there was not one mention of her from the people of the 7 kingdoms to even want her to come to their rescue to be their leader. To me there was a lot of signs that were just dismissed by majority of the audience, because they wanted her to be Queen, I did NOT like this character at all from the start of the show, because anyone who thinks they have right due to some blood claim is just sounds arrogant and selfish to me.

You keep saying the books have nothing to do with TV medium?.. I am sorry that's where you again miss the point, regardless of these two producers edited and shortened the show, they did however manage to portray some of the characters and the essence of these books to the screen, to me the signs were there and if you go back and watch some of the early seasons then you may become more aware of them. I honestly don't need to prove anything to you or anyone here, the problem with most of you who argue is that you DO NOT READ books and novels; that's the inherent problem, where do you think the TV shows get most of their stories from? especially when its a series of BOOKS for GOT.

[–] Scape (503) 5 years ago

You’re not talking to me, right?..
And yes your highness, I do read books. Many people do.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

ok good for you, BYE

[–] Scape (503) 5 years ago

Good for you too.
Could you pull-off sounding any more arrogant...

By the way - this is a pop culture tv show based on fantasy books.
Not Macbeth, buddy.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

thanks for that, but it takes one to know one, you just can't let it end?
You have keep saying more crap because what I said hit a cord in you, due to your insecurity issues, which you want attack to call me "arrogant"?! because I may read more than the average joe ? Because if you had read enough then you could see all that what I said here yourself. Again, even what you said about something like reading Macbeth then you realize that Shakespeare was and still is to this day, regarded as among the best writers who wrote the blue print for character development, go and listen to RR Martin's interviews or other writers who learned from Shakespeare. But you fail to understand that if you had read Shakespeare's work then you can even see characters like Danny's motives much earlier then the average viewer, or in your case whose just thinks Martin just wrote these books as "culture tv show? ; fantasy books"??? There is lot more to GOT than being fantasy show..

If you even knew how DUMB you sound just saying that, then you would not keep replying to me. I studied Philosophy and English literature for years, so yes I may sound arrogant to you but at least I don't talk out of my rear end like you who can't recognize the style of Martin's work renders a great deal to Shakespeare and Tolkien ; the very foundation, the very landscape of it is Shakespeare, so was David Chase with Sopranos", even though I never liked that show; but I recognized where he got ideas from, because those are like great mythologies that has a global effect; if you ever read Joseph Campell then you know how far these mythologies tie into the GOT. That's what all of these stories tie into, Mythologies that's what made STAR WARS had such a huge success all over, the journey of a Hero, it was another odyssey.

I am going to add you to the ignore list, so rant as much as you want. You really need to GROW UP.

[–] Scape (503) 5 years ago

Honestly man, this is the third consecutive post of yours that I didn’t bother reading after the second sentence. So no, nothing hit a nerve, because I didn’t bother reading your novellas about how smart you think you are.

Also, yes, I’ve read the damn books. Thousands of people have.

You’re telling someone else they rant?? Wow... Get over yourself.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 5 years ago

I just added to my ignore list, goodbye RETARD Troll

[–] Scape (503) 5 years ago

Good call, dork.

[–] Atarimaster (442) 5 years ago

> I have a hard time believing that. Unless it was just a random
> guess of yours that turned out to be correct.

I agree.
I mean: From the start, it was very clear that there were two options – either she will become Queen, or not. That’s a 50:50 chance and obviosly, some people turned out to be right.

> but I doubt even the show-runners knew what they were
> going to do with her character at that point.

A reasonable assumption. I can’t imagine (of course, I might be wrong) that GRRM told the showrunners how it is going to end when the show started. After all, at that time, there was no need for it. So my guess is that whenever the showrunners wanted to depart from the books, they asked if that was a problem ("Can we kill off Mago or is he going to be important in the end?") but otherwise, they knew as much about the end as everybody else.

(As I’ve said, I don’t know if that’s true. I never cared to google if it was revealed at which point the showrunners got to know the ending.)

[–] R_Kane (15828) 5 years ago

I liked the ending. Completely fine with it. I’ve had the benefit of Zen training, so I have no expectations or attachments.

I’m also happy and have low blood pressure. Too many people in the world are taking a great deal of time just looking for things to be pissed off about. Being in a hurry and being pissed off, usually with no valid reason in either case, have somehow become two values a lot of people just accept as being “good.”

PS I am certain there are fans with very defendable disagreements with the narrative. I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about the staggering numbers who saw a bandwagon and jumped on, to be part of the group.Had terrorist slowly eviscerated Mother Theresa live on TV over the period of a week, there would not have been one-tenth as much wailing and outrage, and that’s because GOT has a bigger audience than MT ever did. Think about it.

[–] Mcboogerballs (118) 5 years ago

In what was a very underwhelming season, I actually found the final episode to be way more satisfying than any other episode this season

[–] Alerra (244) 5 years ago

What's interesting about the complaining is that a lot of the big things that happened in the final 2 episodes weren't on the show's writers. GRRM told D&D how the story would end -- just not the route it would take to get there.

So Dany going mad, Jon killing Dany and going back north, Bran becoming king, Sansa becoming Queen in the North, Arya going west, Tyrion becoming Bran's Hand? That's all GRRM. Now there are some major issues (read: plot holes, mcguffins, and lack of character development) with how the characters ARRIVED at those points, and we can yell at the writers all we want about them. But the endings themselves? Nope. That's on Martin. And the dude did say that the ending would be bittersweet.

[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

I believe you misunderstand, the disappointment is not just that Bran was a completely random, spin the bottle choice but that a very high quality show had a very low effort final season. It's okay to like it, but don't pretend the effort was equal to previous seasons or that disgruntled fans have misconstrued the series.

[–] Keelai (31751) 5 years ago

I liked the ending. The dialogue wasn't as good as the earlier episodes and it felt rushed, but I liked the overall story and conclusions for the different characters. I'm interested in reading the book since GRRM mentioned there would be differences with the minor characters. He also mentioned that D&D had fan service in the show. My guess is the books will be darker without most characters getting their happy ending.