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Why does everyone disliked the ending?


I read a lot of posts here on this GOT board and I am honestly surprised why there are so many negative and disappointments? I guess you all had expectations of you wanted the ending to be but GOT of was never written that way and never what we expected or wanted really happened in this show.

I already knew from early seasons that Danny will never become the queen at the end of this show, to me the signs and clues to who she was there but many of a her hard core FANBOY club believed she was the one. So her death was not surprise to me but I didn't think it would be Jon but maybe Arya, but I knew that Dany's character in the story was written as warning of people who claim right to power. My guess for the king was actually Tyrion or one of the Starks, so Bran was actually a nice surprise and fitting to the theme of the story and Tyrion was a perfect to be the hand, because these two both never were seekers of power. The rest of the characters such as Sansa who also wanted the North to be independent, it made logical sense , Arya's character to be a survivor and now adventurer into discovery new places also fit the story's ending.

And finally Jon's sentence to go back to the Night's watch. John joined the night's watch in the very first season of this show, he wanted to find a way to find freedom of being called a bastard , but his core beliefs and teaching on ethics came from Ned Stark to always do the right thing. He killed Danerys for the threat that she was to the people and his punishment was actual fitting to theme of the story; if you recall what Tormund said to Jon last week's episode that your heart is in the north you belong to the north, that was a clue to me that Jon will return to the North but it happened unexpected sentence of punishment. Jon's riding out with the freefolk that he helped with Tormund next to him was actually a happy ending for Jon and very fitting for a man who never really wanted to be a leader. Not every person like Jon or Ned Stark, who always does the right thing; makes sacrifices to free people or fight for the people and give his life to a cause would end up getting what he really deserves; this was what to me GOT was always about, its not that life is fair; its just life and its unfair harsh realities that we come to accept. The saddest seen to me was when Jon said good-bye to Sansa and Arya because to me the Stark family was what got broken and damaged by it; they were the collateral damage of games and lies for power.

This entire show was dealing with a running theme of POWER, that's why it was called "Game of thrones", because to attain power is a game to those who seek it and killed for it and ended up getting killed; then those who never really wanted it but it came to them through unexpected circumstances and choice due to their character like Jon or Bran.

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I liked it. Of course the disappointed are going to be big whiney squeaky wheels right now, but I don’t think they are “everyone”

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You and I are probably in the minority when it comes to liking the ending. I think a lot of people didn't really understand the themes of this show or missed it?...I don't know?...but these posts I read here are sound like really younger audience with idealistic ideas of why the ending was bad or it didn't live up to their expectations. Like you say the "whiney"...lol

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I liked it. Ned is finally avenged by the Starks winning the Game of Thrones, whereupon they no longer need to fight but are free to live the lives they want - Brand as king, Sansa as queen, Arya gets to explore the world, and Jon can join Tormund and be the freeman he always was.

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It was foolish that 6 kingdoms voted for a ruler that they barely know based on a speech from Tyrion. They happily made this decision right there on the spot. The only dissenters were Bran’s own family who decided that they would be independent. Why would the other kingdoms be okay with this?

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Sorry but I don't understand what you mean that they voted for someone they "barely know"?
Bran is a son of Ned Stark, Bran was a huge part of the war against the Nightwalkers and the first to know they had broken through the walls. All the other Kingdows were fighting that war with Starks in their castle; they were present to Bran being there. His abilities as 3eyed Raven that gave him access to the entire history of the past, of what mistakes were made and not repeat is a huge asset, its like having a history book can talk and think next to you, then you forget that he was never seeker of power and he had no agenda, but I think you also miss a huge point about the GOT's theme? that it was about people who seeked power with agenda, it was Game to get to the throne and those choices or those like Cersi who took it or Danny who claimed it through her blood right but got consumed with it, were the very thing that Tyrion wanted to get away from to chose a boy a cripple boy who had no agenda and no hunger for power, to pick a person who was free from from all that and Bran was a surprise choice to many, but it really wasn't if you really get the core theme of what RR Martin wrote these books that power and how it is attained has been the very cause of wars of the human history through out centuries; Danny's character in the show was a cautionary tale that everyone thought she had the right to be the leader because of that constant hunger for it but Bran is the exact opposite. I always thought Tyrion would end being the king but I was close he did become Hand to the king after all the chaos and wars in the 6 or 7 kingdoms, you needed two people without agenda to rule.

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Bran did absolutely nothing. He has zero achievements under his belt. He looked at a bunch of stuff, sometimes through an animals eye's. No reason for anyone to give their power away to him.

After Sansa refused to have the North be part of it all, the rest of the leaders would have followed suit and said "Yeah, we'll be fine with no Iron Throne at all, thanks"

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I think you really don't get this show or it's themes and what you have been watching in 8 season?
This story was about the shift of power, and those acquired it each represented some form of power and Bran ending to be king is because he was free of many of the facets that corrupts a person in power. I think maybe you should read the books to really grasp what Martin had tried to convey, which really was butchered by the producers D&D to cut the show shorter and seasons shorter that made the story to the fans more incoherent, this is why you are reacting to the ending.

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And how long you think Bran is going to be alive with the current heads of the Houses? The current heads could have asshole kids who start wars to be put on the throne.

Voting my ass, it will be just as corrupt in the future if not more with each family vying for their own to be king at all costs.

At least Deny was trying to break the wheel, break the families and start fresh where all the wars and the fighting over the Throne would stop.

Then Tyrion came up with another thing which would lead to more wars.

How about no king and no families that control the wealth.

Why would Bran, the 3 eyed raven want to sit in a destroyed Kings Landing as King, while there are no people living there. All dead. Kings landing the symbol of the old ways.

The dragon destroyed the Throne, physically and symbolically, then the end was like, "yeh theres no throne but still the exact same thing as before, hurrah for us!"

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>>"I think you really don't get this show or it's themes and what you have been watching in 8 season?"

>>"which really was butchered by the producers D&D to cut the show shorter and seasons shorter that made the story to the fans more incoherent"

If only I was as wise as you.

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If Only?...Lol

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He sat in a chair for 8 seasons while not interacting with anyone still alive at the end of the show. He was about 12 when he became a cripple so no one actually knows him.

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I think you are missing something about the theme of this show. Bran is NOT ruling alone, that scene with Tyrion arranging the chairs and the people showed up that table are his new administration. That scene was there for a reason and it was pretty long. I knew from almost 4 or 5th season that who ever ends up King it wont be either Jon or Danny, those were what many or majority of FANS wished for, but they dismissed the very core of the story and theme of this show was that it was about shift of power. Those that were in power from Robert, Ned Stark, Lanisters, Frays, Boltons, etc, each represents the many aspects and features of power structure and Bran was someone who unlike anyone was not seeking power and nor did he wanted it but his ability to see the past and see what mistakes caused wars and also having Tyrion at this side along Davos and Sam, Brieane etc, it is what makes the entire infrastructure of what Bran's administration; to have the support of experience that he needed on his side. I personally always thought Tyrion will end up being King, that was my hope but Bran choosing him for hand is actually made me realize how their pairing is what makes to work, so what you are forgetting that its not just Bran, its a whole package that comes with Bran that fills in the gaps for older experience he may lack to get council from. All those people we saw around the round table with Tyrion went through hell on this show to know they don't want to repeat that again and when the Dragon scorched the Iron throne it was a metaphor( just like in the Lord of the Rings when the ring itself got thrown back into fire) that it ended and its new beginning for the 7 kingdoms.

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That's a long explanation for a shitty king who's first task is to warg into a dragon when he could have done that before 2 died. D&D shat the bed. I will never rewatch any episode from the series. I wasted years following this stupid show.

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long explanation maybe for someone who never bothered to even read the books, long explanation for someone who never really comprehended the core themes of the show. I hope that was not long for your brain to read?..

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The books aren't finished and have no place in a discussion about the show since Martin will die before the books are finished. Maybe your brain is too stupid to notice two different mediums.

Your explanation is lame given 8 seasons of storytelling never made those points even remotely plausible. D&D had to use the 'Inside the Episode' to explain their shitty writing.

Don't be butt hurt for being a moron.

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I doubt even if you read one of the books you would get what this story was about and I already got it the first season when Ned Stark died, that was the clue to the entire direction of the show, and yes I get two mediums but its you who can't even get one of them...Lol
Ok Troll take a hike and Troll on another and take your retard brain with you.
I hate morons like you who want the things and life to be they way you wanted to be, but that is just a sign of immaturity and even this entire show was about the life is UNFAIR, get it you retard???

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I'm glad GRRM gets to retcon this shitty TV show for you.

I pity you and whomever you've spawned with. Your offspring will be at a disadvantage. Good luck, dork.

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Because like previously they are playing the long game to control the 6 kingdoms. Voting Bran in, the last True Born son of Ned Stark, who can't have kids and having relatively little to no blood on his hands regarding the war in terms of the South means the high lords get the people under control with little bloodshed now and then they may gain control in the future.

Think about it - for the minor lords and ladies in the South do they even believe that the 'Great War' really involved Ice Zombies? Course not. What is more sellable is that the North fought something, roided out Wildlings or something but Bran showed up has seen shit and is now semi catatonic which in a way a blessing for pacifying the realm at that point. To the lords Bran is a symbol the blood shed will end for the people but he isn't really going to 'rule' them, it will be the council who decide the big crap and local lords will be left to their own devices - mind there is no 'Master of Laws' on Bran's council at the end. They don't really understand what Bran truly is or can do.

Because think of how the Southern Lords are thinking- the common folk as long as they have food in the bellies and are left alone in the sense they aren't being threatened with being killed on the streets on a whim don't really care about who is on the throne but they do care when it they aren't getting those things.

In terms of what is needed for the South they need a King who is either the messiah or someone who isn't really touched by the backbitting of the war the South really knows about - the one over the throne or the Faith Militant or the Lord of Light publicly, which like it or not Bran is.

Because Tyrion is right - Bran has the best story, in the sense of the most marketable one to the common people. Just like Robert did long ago - the rebellion over his love being stolen. It was Brandon Stark who triggered the rebellion by demanding his sister back and Ned who had rights to demand vengeance for 3 members of his family but it was Robert the rebellion was named after not Ned or Brandon or Lyanna. Why? Because Robert was more charismatic than Ned and after the mad King that is what the realm needed.

Plus the voting thing means that the high lords may get their hands on the throne although that will probably be Bronn's descendent if Bronn can hold onto the Reach considering the the Reach feeds and now pays for the 6 Kingdoms. You want to piss off the bread basket by not giving them a crown if they want it in the future?

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It was foolish that 6 kingdoms voted for a ruler that they barely know based on a speech from Tyrion. They happily made this decision right there on the spot. The only dissenters were Bran’s own family who decided that they would be independent. Why would the other kingdoms be okay with this?

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Bran did absolutely nothing. He has zero achievements under his belt. He looked at a bunch of stuff, sometimes through an animals eye's. No reason for anyone to give their power away to him.

After Sansa refused to have the North be part of it all, the rest of the leaders would have followed suit and said "Yeah, we'll be fine with no Iron Throne at all, thanks"


^this x1000

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I think they had enough time to give us episode 7. I mean it will only take 15 minutes to show a full and ready Dorne army walk up and take over King's Landing since there are only about 20 people guarding it.

Thats my problem with it. To hold King's landing you have to use your families army. King's Landing was mostly the Lannister's Army after King Jofferey became King. Who is Bran's army? Clearly not the North, cause they are now their own Kingdom. The only one on the council who might be able to provide troops would have been Tyrion, but his army has been destroyed. Bronn is probably going to be dealing with revolts for the foreseeable future, since I assume there is still someone that SHOULD be next in line for the title he has claimed.

The show ends trying to make it seem like the game of thrones is at an end, but honestly the environment has never been more ripe for it.

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It implies he is getting himself a dragon, what better guard than that?

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LOL ...and Drogon would obey his commands why??

He doesn't have that type of power.

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Because he can warg.

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He can see thru his eyes, but Drogon can't be controlled by a non-Targaryen.

You gotta have the Targ blood baby.

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Yes, but just giving him some commands (which indeed only works for Targaryens, and maybe not even for all of them) is something different than warging.
We’ve seen Bran taking full control of Hodor’s body and Jojen stated that it requires much more power to control a human being than to control an animal.

Granted, I think controlling a dragon is much harder than controlling a direwolf, maybe even harder than controlling a human that’s a half-wit so I do agree that Bran may not be able to do it. But simply to discount it because he’s no Targaryen is, in my opinion, wrong because we’ve no way of knowing.

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I think you are missing something about the theme of this show. Bran is NOT ruling alone, that scene with Tyrion arranging the chairs and the people showed up that table are his new administration. That scene was there for a reason and it was pretty long. I knew from almost 4 or 5th season that who ever ends up King it wont be either Jon or Danny, those were what many or majority of FANS wished for, but they dismissed the very core of the story and theme of this show was that it was about shift of power. Those that were in power from Robert, Ned Stark, Lanisters, Frays, Boltons, etc, each represents the many aspects and features of power structure and Bran was someone who unlike anyone was not seeking power and nor did he wanted it but his ability to see the past and see what mistakes caused wars and also having Tyrion at this side along Davos and Sam, Brieane etc, it is what makes the entire infrastructure of what Bran's administration; to have the support of experience that he needed on his side. I personally always thought Tyrion will end up being King, that was my hope but Bran choosing him for hand is actually made me realize how their pairing is what makes to work, so what you are forgetting that its not just Bran, its a whole package that comes with Bran that fills in the gaps for older experience he may lack to get council from. All those people we saw around the round table with Tyrion went through hell on this show to know they don't want to repeat that again and when the Dragon scorched the Iron throne it was a metaphor( just like in the Lord of the Rings when the ring itself got thrown back into fire) that it ended and its new beginning for the 7 kingdoms.

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No I get all of that. My response has nothing to do with Bran becoming king, or his council. My response is that the rest of the 7 kingdom's haven't changed. Bran being in power with no army is not sustainable. EVEN IF him and his council are capable of a near utopia rule (something that I highly doubt given what we have seen, is at all attainable in the Game of Thrones world) it changes nothing. The people on his council do not have powerful armies.

At some point, One of the Seven Kingdom's is going to attempt a power grab. Eventually Bran is going to have to make a decision that angers one or more of the lords. At some point Bran is going to be confronted with a situation that makes him choose between the lesser of two evils. Its the very nature of leadership.

The two worst type of rulers (IMO) are the evil tyrant, followed closely by the leader that will do ANYTHING to avoid war. Having a council that have all gone through hell and don't want to repeat it very possibly could be a bigger problem then a benefit.

If Dorne immediately declares their independence (something that I would have expected to have happened as soon as Sansa declared her own) what will Bran do? March on them immediately? Well... not without an army. When the Iron Borne decide that they want to go back to raiding the other 7 kingdoms(Something I would assume ALL of the Iron Born will want to do), what will Bran do then?

The picture that the show writers have written seems happy and content, but it doesn't fit with the world they have shown us for the last 8 years.

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Everyone didn't dislike it. You just hear those people more on this site.

I really liked this finale season. Thought the finale was decent, not great, but it was serviceable.

Some people have been waiting a long time to complain about the last season of this show, and they haven't disappointed.

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You are actually the second person who also liked the ending since I posted this thread.
I agree it was decent and not great. My only issue with the finale was that it should have been longer either 2 hours or at least an hour and half?. I wanted to see exactly what happened after Jon did Kill Danny, how he went to share that news with her soldiers and their reaction or how Greyworm was willing to just imprison Jon and not kill him? That part was missing?

I was watching some of the interviews with RR Martin on youtube in the last weeks; he has always seems consistent with how he wrote these books and what he was trying to convey in them. He also mentioned how the producers D & D basically caught up with the books that really surprised him but by cutting so much out of the story; that GOT could have or should have gone to 10 seasons or more. Which is what I thought for a long time that these two greedy Hollywood jerks exploited this man for his great novels, they did a great job maybe in the first season or two and gradually took over writing their own version of GOT, even changing who gets to kill who or how?. Martin also said its just how the TV medium seems to always be in some rush and in that rush kills the very essential part of the novels that got edited out by D &D; this is why I think the end was disappointing to the majority. I just saw all the reviews on IMDB just from last night's episode there has been over 5000 reviews posted and continue to post and almost 90% is all negative, but I think a lot of is their expectations was not met of the ending too and Bran being King, but most people were unhappy of how short and quick it was and that is something I still don't understand how these two assholes D &D and HBO didn't think or consider that for a show that has such a large global fans for 8 years, to give a two hour finale out of respect who supported to keep this show on the air, not rush it, this is something that I believe these two men will be marked and known for in years to come.

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Yeah they are like the white walkers, staying dormant for months and years until HBO revealed the premiere date, that was like saying winter is here.

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I'm ok with most of it.
I just feel let down by the ease with which every seemingly insurmountable problem was fixed.

I thought we might be in for a tension ride in this last episode in seeing how Dany could be dealt with but everything was done and over with within the next scene.

For a show that built up tension like no tomorrow they didn't care about creating conflict in the slightest.
It was more like a procedural show on Network tv.

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I do agree with you, I wished the finale was 2 hours and not one hour for a show that went for 8 seasons and with a such a global following. I thought dealing with Dany was going to be a challenge, not so much a war, but plot where there is a conflict and I was surprised at how early she died in the episode and how Jon even managed to survive for just being in prison?. I guess it all boils down to the cost or bottom line with these producers D &D and if you noticed they didn't have their end episode overlay review for the finale and that was a surprise to me why they didn't? I personally never liked these two producers, they just took advantage of RR Martin and these great books to make money and they rushed a lot the story; GOT could have gone to 10 seasons.

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Sansa should have been the Queen of the seven kingdoms. Stupid to just make her Queen in the North.

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Yes that was something I was thinking when they were to vote, but except Sansa had no interest in the entire 7 kingdoms and her focus or goal was to save the north and live in the north with her people, she was very keen on that point. I thought it was going to be Tyrion as the King and he is almost the king as Bran is more of an authority over everything, but if you go back to the very first season the characters like Tyrion and Jon's meeting and how Tyrion's perspective on life interested Jon to like each other was a hint or a clue that he is a person who has the vision of a leader; but his biggest mistake was that he fell for Danny's charismatic or enchanting way of creating allies and having Dragons and that she had good intentions.

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Don't give it all away. I haven't yet seen the final, or the previous 70 episodes for that matter, lol. Ah forget about it , I couldn't be bothered. Carry on with the discussion.

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GET A LIFE

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You should really find another message board to Troll on, this is not one of them.

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because it fucking sucked

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To you it may have sucked, but next time you make a bold statement and you don't need to use the word F?
And maybe try to share what you felt sucked?

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You ask too much of da whittle boy an’ him puny brain and vocabuwary.

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