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Let's send our cavalry charging blindly into the darkness to fight an enemy they can't see


I can suspend disbelief for thing like magic and dragons, but having armies do things no army would actually do is annoying to me.

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For real. That was just one of the many stupid decisions this episode. Like let's hide in the crypt, we will be safe there...

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They didn't expect the bodies to come alive.

Anyone know if any of those bodies were important characters like Ned? Didn't his remains get returned to Winterfell?

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Why Not? Makes no sense.

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"They didn't expect the bodies to come alive."

Well all the fans did! Why shouldn't the characters think of the same thing?

Well, probably because the only person who ever saw the Night's King raise the dead and live to tell the tale is Jon, and he's an idiot.



PS: There was talk of returning Ned Stark's "bones" to Winterfell, and I believe it was done, but since he'd been beheaded he probably didn't become a wight. They don't seem to work without heads. As for the more recent Stark deaths, in the books it was established that Catelyn Stark's body was thrown in the river next to the Frey stronghold (which led to no end of foolishness), so I wouldn't expect anyone who died at the Red Wedding to be there.

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Rickon was buried in the crypt after he was killed in the Battle of the Bastards, I figured he'd show up, still a relatively fresh corpse :)

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Rickon should have been cremated, if Jon had any sense. Which is doubtful.

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Would have been awesome to see Ned’s severed head rolling around, snapping at Sansa’s heels.

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He was beheaded, so not much good he good have done.

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Their swords were on fire. They thought the light would help them see.

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This! It was to give false hope and the viewer saw what happened...all that light going out....you knew doom was coming.

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Yup. That's what D&D said in the Behind the Episode. Give false hope only just to snuff it out.

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Except if you've ever been out in the dark with a torch for light you would know it provides piss poor help in seeing because having the fire between you and what you are trying to see doesn't work because you are blinded by your own light.

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yeah, pretty dumb tactics.

should have used the dragons first, then surprise them with the trench of fire. and have more than one trench -- you had 7 years to prepare.

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You forget that Winterfell was not always in the hands of the Starks, and do you see the Boltons agreeing to fight the Army of the Dead? And even if the trenches were there, Ramsay would've found a way to use them against Jon's army in the Battle of the Bastards.

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What are you talking about? What do the Boltons or battle of the bastards have anything to do with the way the starks prepared for battle against the army of the dead.

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Lance, I'm referring to ATG6's line:

should have used the dragons first, then surprise them with the trench of fire. and have more than one trench -- you had 7 years to prepare.


Especially "7 years to prepare".

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I still do not see the relevance f your answer. And I am confident that the 7 year remark was not literal.

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"They had 7 years to prepare the trenches at Winterfell to stop the Army of the Dead."

I fail to see what's hard to understand here. I thought the above is what ATG6 meant.

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How can you take that comment as literal when they were not even aware of the white walker existence seven years ago? Hmm?

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Oh, I give up.

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Come on! explain yourself...or can you not?

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Dothrakis gonna Dothraki.

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Also even though they have trebuchets, don't bother firing them until their cavalry is already charging into the enemy so they only have time to get in like two shots.

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Exactly! Fire off the trebuchets at least 5-6x before the charge even begins, then a few more while they're charging at them. It would've also lit up the undead army (even if only briefly) so that we'd have gotten a glimpse of their immense numbers and what the Dothraki were about to charge into.

Terrible use of those mighty weapons.

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I couldn't agree more. This was the absolute weakest part of the episode. Sending the Dothraki off to pointless slaughter.

I understand they used it as a plot device to build up hope until they got instantly crushed. They did it to move Dany to break from the plan.

But still, it was pretty poorly thought through. The fire started by Melisandre in the trenches dug by the Unsullied surrounding Winterfell, they should have fortified behind the fire. To send the Dothraki off without dragon glass weapons, what exactly did they think would happen against the White Walkers? Flaming swords weren't going to cut it. They had zero chance of survival. Their kamakazi mission made no sense.

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I agree with all of the above, but the charge was still the best scene of the episode visually imo.

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Cavalry isn't used in defensive formations, they're used to charge the enemy -- as was done to great effect in the Battle of the Bastards. And the Dothraki consider themselves nothing without their horses, so the best way to use them would have been on a cavalry offensive move. There would have been no room for them to maneuver if they were inside the gates or trenches.

But I agree it wasn't handled well -- those trebuchets should have been fired before the horses started in order to give them a little more visual help, or the dragons could have swooped down and set something on fire. Or maybe the Dothraki could have been moved around to another area to try and come at the wights from another angle rather than just straight on into the darkness.

But it was a great visual. And it set the tone too -- it was downright creepy watching those flames die out one by one.

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well I guess the food shortage issue is being taken care of, though seriously they cant be underestimating the undead armiy that heavily outnumbers them

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Oh god and why why why was Ghost on the front line?

What purpose did that serve? Why do these writers hate dire wolves so much? Ghost should have been down in the crypts

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Because CGI wolves are expensive so you need to kill them quickly to cut costs.

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