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Lord Bayliss - most puzzling character


Was he a massive homosexual

Or what?

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No. He was in love and obsessed with Catelyn Stark, then later Sansa. Maybe the books give more insight. My take is he is voluntarily celibate.

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Yes the show did not give good insight on this. I mean he proclaims this, but Sansa's retort is more convincing ("If you loved me why did you betray me, if you loved me why did you give me away").

After scrutiny he comes off as a crazed and bitter homosexual, I don't know if the TV creators intended this. Or just a weird puzzling character, that behaved erratically ultimately.

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IMHO his feelings for Caitlyn were more frustrated ambition, than love or desire as most people understand it. He may have called his feelings "love" because sociopsths don't know what love actually feels like, but as a young man he wanted Caitlyn because marriage to her would have made all his dreams come true. He couldn't get her, so as most of his other dreams came true one by one, she remained his one unattainable dream.

When she died he transferred the mixture of ambition and frustration he called "love" to her daughter.

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Maybe his ambition stemmed from frustration at not having Catelyn. His social status was too low for the object of his desire so he committed himself too raising his status at all costs.

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Of course it's never officially addressed anywhere, but I'd guess that Littlefinger's ambition predated his feelings for Caitlyn, such as they are. This is a guy who seems to have spent his whole life convinced that hes the smartest guy around and that everyone else is slow and stupid and inferior to him.

This is not someone who would have accepted a social order that gave him low status, even as a kid. He would have thought that he was smart and everyone else was stupid and their rules were stupid, when he was five years old

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Well, he's not wrong. He probably was the smartest guy in the room until he reached the capital but that isn't always enough.

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I have no doubt he was smarter that anyone at Jon Arryn's court, I'll give him that! However he wasnt smart enough to understand the whole clan loyalty thing and how it applied to his situation, probably because loyalty and familial love are not feelings he is personally acquainted with.

I wonder if he was smart enough to realize that Varys was smarter?

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I think he was smart enough not to ever cross 'Lord' Varys and find out. Their verbal fencing in the throne room are among my favorite scenes from GOT.

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Loved watching them together!

In fact, the only GoT spinoff show is one where LF, Tyrion, Varys, and Jamie sit around and bitch at each other.

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That's a good reply Otter, thanks.

Yes if he did love Sansa then his actions really did not make much sense from perspective of most heterosexual men.

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What earthly reason would a gay man have for wooing Cat, and then her daughter, Sansa?

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Yes that's also what puzzles me.
Did you read my reply above.

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Nah, not a homo. In Season 1 he states explicitly that he's saving himself. His love was deep for Catelyn Stark, but she died so he moved onto the next best thing: daughter Sansa. It didn't work out though.

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