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When Jon meets Daenerys

posted 7 years ago by Apis (1624)
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They will realize that they are natural allies. Jon is the king of the north, has an army and is familiar with the territory (what else can he offer her?). Dany has dragons that can kill White Walkers with fire. She also has dragonglass that serves the same purpose.

But their objectives are different. Jon wants to fight against Night King's army and Dany wants to retake the throne. Basically, they want to head into opposite directions. Jon wants to go north and Dany wants to go south. If they are to become allies, one of them will have to postpone his/her plan in favor of another one's plan.

I don't see Dany being the one who will cave in, and Jon has already proven that he's willing to antagonize people (night watch) to go forward with his plans. Maybe their meeting won't end well and they will not become allies after all? Any ideas what might happen?

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

I think Dany will agree to go North to fight the White Walkers. If I remember correctly, she had a vision of them in the House of the Undying, as well as a vision of the Iron Throne covered in snow (or ash). And she does care about the people, so if Jon can get her to believe the threat is real, I believe she will help.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

Was her vision of White Walkers in the show or in books only? Cause I don't remember it. I only remember her vision of Iron Throne covered in snow.

Jon will have to be very persuasive. So far he sucked at it and nobody believed him. I was thinking that maybe they won't become allies after all, but she will agree to give him some dragonglass cause she has no use of it, and then they will go their separate ways.

I wouldn't like this to happen, but it's a possibility.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

I'm not sure. It might have been just in the books if you don't remember it in the show. *shrug*

Hopefully he does at least get some dragonglass out of the deal. We'll see what happens.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

One more thing: can dragons sense (or smell) Targaryans? What are the chances that dragons will somehow recognize Jon as Targaryan when he visits Dragonstone? Maybe he'll find out before Bran has a chance to tell him about his vision.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

No idea, lol. It'd be cool if they could. Maybe then Jon would get a dragon of his own.

[–] NorthernLad (472) 7 years ago

I kind of like that idea. One of the dragons really liking Jon. That would be kind of cool.

[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 7 years ago

I don't see Dany allowing him to leave without an alliance, she seemed the type of: either bend the knee or burn.

[–] keybored (2654) 7 years ago

But what type of snow was the Iron Throne covered in? Actual frozen water snow or metaphorical Jon Snow?

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

Here is that scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulVUWrADCM

Dany walks into the Iron Throne room, the roof is missing so it's snowing inside. She comes close to the throne, tries to touch it but she never does. It's a vision so it can be taken both literally and metaphorically. (I mean literally like she will come close to getting the Throne, but won't sit on it in the end, or metaphoricaly like the snow represents Jon Snow).

[–] Benjobuff (406) 7 years ago

One thing that's unavoidable. Davos will see melisandre there. Not good

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

Imagine if Davos tells Dany that Melisandre burned a child Shireen, and Dany decides to burn Melisandre as a punishment. That's something Dany has already done when she crucified masters because they were crucifying slaves. And we found out in latest episode that Dany is not shy of burning people. Melisandre will have to think quickly.

I'm not sure if I want Melisandre to die just yet.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

I could definitely see that happening.

Tinfoil theory time!
But would Melisandre die or could she be impervious to fire as well? I believe it was mentioned somewhere (maybe just in the books) that she doesn't need to eat, drink, or sleep, and that she stayed warm up north without needing furs. So maybe the Lord of Light gave her Fire-Resistance as well. 🤔

EDIT: We already know she's much older than she appears. Maybe she's immortal. Maybe the only way to kill Melisandre is for a White Walker to stab her with his ice sword. 😅

[–] Atarimaster (442) 7 years ago

It is definitely mentioned in the show that she doesn’t need furs to stay warm. And we’ve seen her being impervious to poison. Can’t remember if anything was said about fire, though. But it seems reasonable to me to assume that fire doesn’t harm her.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

I almost forgot about her immunity to poison. Another point to support my new theory!

I think I saw another theory somewhere that Melisandre is actually undead, in the same way that Beric is, having been brought back by the Lord of Light at some point in her life. It would make sense.

[–] Kawada_Kira (7269) 7 years ago

Well, Beric can still be killed by normal means (such as hanging, which means he needs to breathe, which means his body basically operates as a normal living human body does, and would presumably not be immune to poison). He just has to keep being brought back over and over. I think there's something else going on with her.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

Good point... Oh well. Maybe Beric keeps getting killed because Thoros isn't powerful enough to make Beric stronger or something?

[–] Atarimaster (442) 7 years ago

Could be, although I prefer the theory that Melisandre’s invulnerability is connected to that necklace.
As for Beric, I’m sure that R'hllor is already going: "Oooh no, not again! How many times, eh?"

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

The necklace definitely has something to do with it. Glamour, poison protection, and probably more.

And lol.

[–] winslow (1318) 7 years ago

She could be the fire equivalent to a White Walker, and Jon is a fire wight.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

Ooh.... That would be cool. But if that were the case, I feel like she would look more otherworldly.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

I always thought that Melisandre took an antidote before drinking that poison, similar to how Ellaria and sand snakes have an antidote for everything. But she might be impervious to poison indeed. Lord of Light must really need her services if he made her immune to poison and (probably) immortal.

[–] Atarimaster (442) 7 years ago

I doubt she knew in advance that the Maester (forgot his name) is going to poison her and what kind of poison he’s going to use, so I don’t think that she took an antidote.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

Maybe she saw it in flames?

[–] Atarimaster (442) 7 years ago

Possibly, but I don’t think the flames are as specific as to name the poison.

[–] LeiaOfLothlorien (1980) 7 years ago

I agree. The flame-visions are usually vague and symbolic. Which is why she keeps misreading the signs.

Besides, that ruby necklace thing glowed when she drank the poison, if I remember correctly; I believe that's what stopped it.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

You're right. I just rewatched that scene and the ruby was blinking. It's so easy to miss such details when you don't know what to watch for. So now we know that the neckless is keeping Melisandre from getting poisoned (besides keeping her young).

[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 7 years ago

Doesn't need furs to keep warm? I really need to rewatch the entire show, sigh.

[–] Kawada_Kira (7269) 7 years ago

It was mentioned when she first met Jon Snow at the wall, right after Stannis defeated Mance Rayder. Melisandre summoned Jon to see Stannis, and I think it was while she and Jon were riding up the elevator that she explained that.

[–] Atarimaster (442) 7 years ago

»and I think it was while she and Jon were riding up the elevator that she explained that.«

Yes, it was exactly in that scene.
Obviously, an elevator is a place for small talk even in Westeros.
;-)

[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 7 years ago

LOL, Westeros has elevators!

Yes, I remember the scene now! Still, I really need to rewatch.

[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 7 years ago

Whatever happens between them, Cersei needs to be defeated first IMO in order for the remaining forces and their alliances can focus and fight off the White Walkers.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

I'm sure that Daenerys will propose this to Jon and say something like "don't worry, it doesn't matter that wight army grows every day, my dragons will incinerate them in a second", but White Walkers are getting close to the Wall and North might be in danger before they manage to defeat Cersei. I think this is Jon's biggest concern. What good is defeating Cersei if everyone in the North becomes a wight by then.

Also, they don't have the same experience. Jon has seen and fought WW army and to Dany they are something out of the fairy tale books, just a distant threat.

[–] vicky_lc2001 (1907) 7 years ago

I agree, the problem though is I don't see Cersei and Dany's forces & Co stopping to fight the WW. Like you said, for both, they are simply mythical creatures, so far up North, beyong the Wall even. Plus I don't see these two laying aside their differences even if they believed. The only way would be for Cersei's troops to be dispatched quickly before it's too late with the WW.