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The reason Nymeria turned away from Arya


She’s not Arya. She’s No One.

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That's a real possibility.

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Arya stuck Needle in Jaqen's Adam's apple and very clearly announced, "I am Arya Stark of the House Stark, and I am going home." Perhaps you guys missed that part.

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I guess I must have missed that. Can you point out the episode in which it happened? All I've been able to find is this:

"While pacing the atrium of the House of Black and White, Jaqen notices blood on the ground. He follows the trail to the Hall of Faces, where the trail stops at a new face on the wall, that of the Waif. Arya sneaks up behind him and points Needle at him. Jaqen does not offer resistance, and even walks into the sword's point. Though she rejects the tenets of the Faceless Men and reclaims her identity, Jaqen is pleased with her conduct by fully deeming her "no one", and allows her to leave." -- http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jaqen

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I don't remember the exact episode, but the exchange went something like this:

Jaqen follows the trail of blood to where the waif's face is, turns around and sees Arya pointing Needle at him.
Jaquen says, "Congratulations. A girl is finally no one."
Arya replies, "No. A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell. And I'm going home."
Jaquen smiles and lets her go.

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A YouTube clip of that scene from s06e08 shows what you're describing, which I believe indicates that both things are true. Arya defiantly states that she'll keep her identity, and Jaqen H'ghar declares her "No One", which makes her one of the Faceless Men, a group you apparently can't quit as easily as a book club.

Somehow, JH seems to have exempted her from the rule that FM can't choose their own targets or use their powers for personal vendettas. Since she clearly has her powers at the Frey wingding, it seems to me that a fundamental change in her identity has happened.

Also, though no one has commented on it, her demeanor has come to resemble Jaqen H'ghar's, as in her encounter with Hot Pie. So, she's now some strange mix of Arya and No One, using her powers for personal reasons. I have to wonder if going against the code of the Faceless Men might not have consequences for her.

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Still, Jaqen proclaimed her no one before Arya refused it. And he seemed proud, or at least amused, that she went her own way. Maybe he did care about her to some degree.

You're right that her training will and does affect her. And there might be repercussions further down the line for quitting the Faceless Men.

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"Still, Jaqen proclaimed her no one before Arya refused it. And he seemed proud, or at least amused, that she went her own way."

I wondered if that smile might not have meant, "Go ahead, strong-willed girl, do it your way, and see what happens."

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Hm. That's possible. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Nope, didn't miss it

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But if she wasn't Arya, why didnt those wolves tear her apart.

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Bingo.

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My opinion is that Nymeria recognizes Arya, but also senses she's not the same person she was earlier.

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I feel like Nymeria eventually recognized her, yet had spent so long in the wild that by now she'd come to see it as her home.

She was throwing off her chains of servitude!
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Me think Nymeria has her own family to take care of now (the pack of wolves) and she can't just abandon them to follow Arya like old days.

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I suspect Nymeria will reappear at some point, perhaps when Arya is in some kind of danger and needs help.

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I was thinking the same thing, but then I hoped that it won’t happen like this.
That’d be a bit too Lassie for me… ;-)

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LOL yeah I agree. I hope they'll find a less corny way to bring her back. But dramatic tropes die hard, so I suspect that's how it will happen.

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Within the reality of the GoT world, with Wargs and the like, I don't think it would be that off-putting to have characters' animal familiars sense when their masters need their help.

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Dogs ex machina?

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OK, that's funny.

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She's not a dog. Her species is not canine; but she is, as a Direwolf, a Deus, so your witticism works.

I usually call it "the bunnyrabbit out of the hat."

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There was a scene in the first season where Ned is talking to Arya in King's landing. Arya is asking about Bran walking again as well as the "dancing" lessons. Ned says that Bran could be lord of a manor despite being crippled while Arya will grow up to be someone's wife doing ladylike things.

Arya replies "No, that's not me".

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What is said is that she asked if she could be a lord. Ned replies that she will rule her lord husbands castle. She seems to have some narrow-minded view that a Lady is role of submission and weakness. Yet we see that there are Lady's who are warriors and rulers and her own right like Lady Mormont and Lady Lyanna. So her wanting to be a Lord does not make sense as she should know a "Lady" does not mean they are like Sansa. Brienne rejects the Lady title because she does not feel worthy while Arya looks down on it. She has gender identity issues.

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The various theories are interesting but I think it really just boils down to the fact that they can't afford the special effects budget to have Nymeria in multiple scenes. Just look at how Ghost was largely MIA for most of last season and all of this season so far.

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It's funny if we find out that that that was truly just the case as to why both Nymeria and Summer were dispatched, and here we are hatching various complicated theories explaining them.

I hope Ghost doesn't die though, that's the one that will really affect me tbh.

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For me I think Nymeria is a reflection of Arya. Clearly Nymeria recognized Arya for who she is or else, she would've been killed. Nymeria turned from her because Nymeria can never go back, she is no longer Nymeria as Arya knew her. And I think this is a clue to Arya's future, she's on her was back to Winterfell to be a Stark and she seeks revenge for her Stark Household and identity but in her quest for it and wanderings, she has finally lost herself and can never go back as to who she was and how it was, she can no longer truly be the Arya Stark in season 1. And like Nymeria, she has become wild and feral.

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I really don't know why people are so confused by that scene it's not that complicated. Nymeria's destiny parallels Arya's.. just like other dire wolfs are connected to their owner and have similar traits and destinies. GRR Martin was very clear on that dire wolfs are mirrors of their owners in how they described them. The only one who's destiny wasn't the same so far was Sansa/Lady... but maybe that's something to think about and i still coming. Arya had to banish Nymeria to save her, so Nymeria was cast out into unknown on her own, and had to fend for herself, just like Ari. She's been trough a lot and grew stronger on her own and rise to become a leader of her own pack. Now that they met again they are both changed too much. Connection is still there but Nymeria has been trough a lot and now has a destiny of her own, to lead her pack. That's why Arya said "That's not you..." Just like years ago her father told her one day she will be a lady of the court and she said "That's not me..." Nymeria can't just turn around and jump back at Arya's feel and be her little puppy again... she has independent life now. But I am sure eventually she will come back to her... :)

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