Disappointed - Stargate: The Ark of Truth (2008) Discussion

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Ark of Truth was just stupid....just like seasons 9 and 10.

Battling replicators, Catholics...I mean Ori..even a stupid Zombie/Borg creature.

It just sucked.

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[–] Gewher 16 years ago

Ark of Truth was just stupid....just like seasons 9 and 10.

Battling replicators, Catholics...I mean Ori..even a stupid Zombie/Borg creature.

It just sucked.
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Yeah, 'cause us Catholics go around trying to kill entire galaxies in order to convert people. Jeez, talk about religious toleration... Why does no one gripe about the crap we have to put up with? If this idiot had talked about Muslims, it'd be all politically incorrect. But Catholics are fair game.

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[–] pastabake-1 16 years ago

lol, try telling that to the millions of natives that the Catholics butchered and enslaved ... oh wait, try telling that to the people who had to live from the creation of the church through to the time before the reformation ... try telling that to the millions of catholics around the world that (if they weren't brainwashed into believing in fairy stories) would feel somewhat aggrieved over the fact that the Church has a medieval stance towards contraception and on and on and on ...

Sure the Muslims aren't perfect ... well nowhere near in fact ... but that doesn't make Catholics any better.

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[–] brdavid-429-96270 9 years ago

Catholics didn't butcher and enslave the natives on their own. Congregationalists, Anglicans, secularists, deists, atheists, etc, all had a hand in on that. The rest of your statement is nothing more than the same bs everyone else who hates religion spouts. What is funny is how it all comes out the same, I dunno... kinda like someone was brainwashed.

The writers for the show were no doubt taking a stab at religious fanaticism, and in some ways they were taking stabs at specific religious orders, especially Catholicism. It's no mystery to anyone who watches the show that the writers here are clearly not religious friendly, however I tried to move past that. I would ask so do you. You don't win friends with your rhetoric. You just sound as crazy as the Ori.

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[–] authjunk 16 years ago

by - powerlifter1060 on Sun Apr 20 2008 04:07:53
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>Yeah, 'cause us Catholics go around trying to kill entire galaxies in order to convert people. Jeez, talk about religious toleration... Why does no one gripe about the crap we have to put up with? If this idiot had talked about Muslims, it'd be all politically incorrect. But Catholics are fair game.<

SO TRUE!

Cause catholics dont go around suicide bombing, or saying convert or die. Dont wont too piss the moslems off by calling them ori. Or you probably will get anthrax in your mail. So you go for those who dont fight back catholics, budhists, or any other religions. Now thats pilitically incorrect isnt it.
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One, it's still politically incorrect. Especially if you consider that the idea of the Ori is more about forced religious belief led by some zealots, which exist in *any* religion.

Two, um, the IRA, aren't they, um, well, generally speaking, Catholic? Guess that goes to show even Catholics can be stupid.

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[–] senser1080 16 years ago

Speaking of fair game, it's more like scientologists.

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[–] redwingjs 16 years ago

How else could you expect the Ori story to be completed in a two hour movie? They had two hours of screen time to work with and did the best they could given those constraints.

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[–] Heliosphere 16 years ago

They very well could have ended the Ori story with the collaboration of allies and enemies alike that sg-1 has picked up over the years to fight for a common good. But nope. No battles, no allies, and the enemy reduced to a few ships and a bunch of foot soldiers. It's as if there wasn't even a war going on. They could have completed the Ori story in a COUNTLESS variety of ways within just two hours. The way they choose was mediocre.

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[–] rhapsodicrocker 16 years ago

I would have liked more adventure, more exploration, more mystery, more interaction with Ori villagers, fighting with Ori soldiers and Priors. Hell an average SG-1 episode fighting the Jaffa had more action. All they did was turn up at some planet at the Ori galaxy, spoke to some dude, then went to another planet which was just your average forest and looked around at the ground for an artefact buried millions of years old using some metal detector that you'd use on a person. They could have at least shown some kind of architecture. Then there was this really annoying guy with the replicator plan, which was just long and boring. All that time Mitchell was getting his ass kicked by a zombie replicator several Ori ships were constantly shooting at the Odyssey and I'm meant to believe it survived that long?! Usually it's "shields down to 10%" after getting shot a few times. I would have at least liked the Odyssey being chased or putting up a fight. Then there was Adria vs Morgan LeFay, which was great for special effects but everything prior to that just made it so anti-climatic. The worst part was the Ark of Truth itself. I don't mind how powerful and convenient it was, but in the end I wanted it to be destroyed for that exact reason, because to me this show is about the human race of present day finding out, learning and making progress the hard way. Now having a device like that at the hands of who knows just blows that illusion out of the water. It was just an underwhelming conclusion to the Ori storyling which had so much potential for a better ending.

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[–] keirdullea 16 years ago

I was also dissapointed that Ori gods were destroyed in Season 10. I wanted them alive in the movie. I believed in it, even if Merlin's weapon has succesfuly worked. But not by killing them.
I thought that this weapon will cause these gods to lose their godlike forms (as it was seen in Vala's dream) and stay alive (in physical form). I wonder how did they look like before ascension. Unfortunately it was not a chance.

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[–] Masquerade_Ball 16 years ago

It does come down to preference, I know a few fans probably just want excessive CGI sequences with no plot - just lots of people running side to side with sparks flying and ships exploding. I do agree that StarGate has a humorous touch to it, which I admit is getting a bit too "David E. Kelly" (Boston Legal) for my liking, but I think it does lighten the stories up a bit, considering the dark subject matter.

They couldn't defeat the Ori with brute force, as shown in battles in the series, so in SG-1 tradition, they used knowledge - in the form of ancient technology - to overcome their enemies. No real surprises there.

I don't really get how opening a box with light in it can be so bad. I mean sci-fi shows are based on the concept of a device or some techie babble enabling them to wrap up a story quickly - "we'll just reconfigure the plasma conduits with an anti-matter flow!" yay saved, crisis averted.

Also, to judge the story-line of continuum (to my knowledge not even completed yet!) on your opinion of the story-line of ark of truth, is like comparing apples with oranges, the stories are not related. Give it a chance before making premature conclusions.

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[–] Heliosphere 16 years ago

I don't really get how opening a box with light in it can be so bad. I mean sci-fi shows are based on the concept of a device or some techie babble enabling them to wrap up a story quickly - "we'll just reconfigure the plasma conduits with an anti-matter flow!" yay saved, crisis averted.

Er no, that's actually the exact opposite of what science fiction is about.

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[–] authjunk 16 years ago

by - Heliosphere on Thu Apr 17 2008 05:16:38
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I don't really get how opening a box with light in it can be so bad. I mean sci-fi shows are based on the concept of a device or some techie babble enabling them to wrap up a story quickly - "we'll just reconfigure the plasma conduits with an anti-matter flow!" yay saved, crisis averted.
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Er no, that's actually the exact opposite of what science fiction is about.

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Heliosphere, you're slightly incorrect. That other poster is more correct in that that *is* what science fiction is about. Now, *good* science fiction is very much about much more than that.

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[–] Heliosphere 16 years ago

Heliosphere, you're slightly incorrect. That other poster is more correct in that that *is* what science fiction is about. Now, *good* science fiction is very much about much more than that.

I'm going to apologize in advance because i'm going to be really blunt with you here: I'm not incorrect in the slightest. What the guy was describing was a stereotype people attribute to science fiction, but in reality doesn't represent science fiction in the least. Science fiction isn't about anything what he said. Not even bad science fiction.

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[–] RenaudMan 16 years ago

I was disapointed about this one, simply because it was more of a completion of the last season rather than an untied stand alone story; for those that did not see the final season, they most have been completely lost. But I understand that at some point the series might or might have not had an other season, so this direct to DVD was more the ending that they couldn't do for TV

I was also disappointed not to see all the original cast members; and hopefully Jack O'Neill will be in the next film, even if only a recast, as Richard Dean Anderson was a recast himself from the original 1994 theatre film with Kurt Russell, but I would still prefer Richard Dean Anderson

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[–] Indeedle 16 years ago

That was the point though, Ark of Truth was supposed to tie up the main storyline from Seasons 9 and 10. It was supposed to be season 11, but they were cancelled. Lucky for us fans these dvds have been done, including one to tie up the main loose ends.

I hope Jack is not in any of the films frankly, because whenever he's in it its always around him. They've had 8 seasons of that, and it did get tiring.

Don't get me wrong, I found him to be funny as hell but there's only so much bringing him back they can do before it just gets annoying.

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[–] unified 16 years ago

In some ways, I agree that this was disappointing. In other ways, I'm glad the whole Ori thing is done and over with. The whole of seasons 9 and 10 was a terrible disappointment, and simply made the series no longer fun to watch.

I became a big fan of SG1 after watching seasons 1 - 5 on DVD, then catching up to Season 6. I grew to love all of the characters, especially the Goa'uld storyline. While others may have grown tired by the Goa'uld storyline, it was far more superior than the Ori storyline. I think that, even though they were common on their designs of conquest, the Goa'uld had individuality that made for focused realism when it came to enemies, especially when they were at war with each other.

The Ori storyline suffered from having season 9 being a season in which, to be honest, nothing really happened until the last episode of the season. Then, season 10 was plagued with "the quest" to find the ultimate weapon to destroy the Ori, Adrianna (sp?), blah, blah, blah.

The only watchable episodes of seasons 9 and 10 were the ones featuring the many incarnations of B'aal. That being said, it will be worth it for you to invest in watching Continuum.

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[–] Mithrandir24 16 years ago

Was there really an intent to make Season 11?!
I would love another season, but problem is Unending was too Finale fashioned, if you know what i mean, it was just the perfect Series Finale.

As for seasons 9-10, i agree they were relatively weak, but still fun to watch. We all know the Stargate-ish feel disappeared, but still i think there was this feel good atmosphere.

And as for Ark of Truth - i'm very disappointed. Not just by the resolution, which was too frelling easy, it was just poorly made, not as professional as previous seasons in the show, like something was just missing.
I guess the real problem is that in this point of the story the Ori were already eliminated by the weapon they sent to their galaxy in S10, leaving the war only against Adria - which was pretty blank.

I really hope Continuum will be better.

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[–] pastabake-1 16 years ago

My children go to a school that is 80% Muslim, I live among them so I know what they are like. I can tell you this that I would never let my kids go to a Catholic school and I wouldn't want to live in a Catholic neigbourhood.

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by - powerlifter1060 on Mon Apr 28 2008 18:05:43
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I too would never go a to catholic school, cause they are not catholic.

If you are moslem why would you mind.
Then I guess you would not mind living in afganistan.

If not for the above, looks like you are one of those people with a subjection attraction complex, this trait is more seen in pack animals, people with mental illness, and people who were bullied while at school. You love being dominated.
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Powerlifter, I certainly hope that you harbor no hopes that someone will actually take you seriously. You would never go to a Catholic school because they are not Catholic? What? And the poster you were responding to never said they were of *any* particular religious group. You just assume they're Muslim because they disagree with you? Idiots can be found in every religious group. And then you insult that poster, because, what, you feel that insulting someone else will improve your sense of self-worth? Sounds to me like someone needs to either stop trolling, or get some therapy.

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by - powerlifter1060 on Thu May 1 2008 00:28:31
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>Powerlifter, I certainly hope that you harbor no hopes that someone will actually take you seriously. You would never go to a Catholic school because they are not Catholic? What? And the poster you were responding to never said they were of *any* particular religious group. You just assume they're Muslim because they disagree with you? Idiots can be found in every religious group. And then you insult that poster, because, what, you feel that insulting someone else will improve your sense of self-worth? Sounds to me like someone needs to either stop trolling, or get some therapy.<

I am just tryting to show different points of the argumrent. Sure idiots can be found in every religious group, but some have more then others. What you think that by me, insulting other posters improves my sense worth, seriously?. Sure I will stop trolling, and you stop posting AUTHentic JUNK posts.
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Reading comprehension at its finest. Gotta love it. Reread my post, and tell me where I state that it improves your sense of self-worth. And since you're obviously lacking in that skill, I'll just tell you that I *asked* if that was why you choose to do so, time and time again. Judging by your response, I touched a nerve.

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[–] fan-33 16 years ago

I love your tagline.

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[–] authjunk 16 years ago

by - Weatherdring on Fri Apr 11 2008 14:14:15
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There's a lot of positive discussions here on Ark of Truth, but sadly I can't say that I enjoyed it.

I gotta say I was let down by The Ark of Truth. It felt poorly put together, campy, and just lame. Had I known that this is how they would end the Ori storyline I would of stopped watching SG-1 after season 8.

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I mean they basically opened a box that had a bright light in it. Maybe that worked for some fans, but not me.

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For the record, I did enjoy seasons 9 and 10. Ark of Truth just wasn't there for me. I doubt I'll buy Continuum if this is the quality I should expect for it.
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To a point, I agree. I don't like the way it ended. Seemed a bit too anticlimactic (however you spell the damn word) to me. Granted the bright light seems simple, it's more than merely a light show, so I'm okay with that. I just expected a rather inarticulate "something more."

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[–] fan-33 16 years ago

You obviously didn't 'get' the religious symbolism, Light = Truth. In this case it was the 'Light' which destroyed the Ori. The Ori were a false religion, and the 'Light' ie., 'the Truth' exposed them.

... Love keeps her up when she oughta fall down... Mal

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[–] Weatherdring 16 years ago

by - fan-33 You obviously didn't 'get' the religious symbolism, Light = Truth. In this case it was the 'Light' which destroyed the Ori. The Ori were a false religion, and the 'Light' ie., 'the Truth' exposed them.

... Love keeps her up when she oughta fall down... Mal

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Yeah I got that part. To me though it was cheesy. They go through 40 some odd episodes to demonstrate the awesome power of the Ori, and then they defeat them with a plastic device with a glowing red stone on the top (Merlin's weapon)and then use an ark that shines a bright light in the Ori follower's eyes. If it was a bright light with a bunch of ancient text scrolling across it detailing the false promise of the Ori, then it would of been better. But the way they made the ark seemed like it was basically just some small guy inside turning on and off a several million candle watt light.

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[–] fan-33 16 years ago

Well Weatherdring, what you call cheesy I call very 'deep and insightful'.

... Love keeps her up when she oughta fall down... Mal

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[–] Weatherdring 16 years ago

fan-33, I'm glad that at least some people liked it. Wish I could of too but I did not enjoy Ark of Truth. I'm hoping that Continuum will be better, it seems like they're marketing Continuum much more then they did Ark of Truth. Even before Ark of Truth came out there was behind the scenes and special looks out for Continuum.

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