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Let me get this straight...(SPOILERS)

posted 16 years ago by agent_tau
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The humans have single handedly brought down the System Lords, destroyed the Goa'uld, blew up the Replicators and now killed the Ori. Not to mention since the humans started using the gate system, the Tollan got themselves wiped out, the Tok'ra were destroyed and the Asgard blew themselves up, whilst in the Pegasus galaxy, the humans destroyed the Asuran homeworld and have dealt numerous blows to the Wraith.

And we're supposed to be the good guys?!

Are we to see a Stargate movie where SG-1 are brought before the Intergalactic Court of Sentient Being Rights to answer for the crimes of mass genocide???

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[–] truehyena 16 years ago

You know, that would be an interesting plot for the season 11 we never got: We meet some alien race; they are very powerful and have strong ideas about 'right and wrong', and are almost militantly devoted to peace and order.

They access our files and see that we are a "dangerously disruptive species with a history of lashing out with genocidal results" and decide that we have to be "pacified". I don't know if it would be enough of an arc to carry a season (might be a good lead in for Stargate Universe...if your reading this Sci-Fi channel execs....call me!), but it would interesting to see someone like O'Neil (ok, O'Neil only) argue that what we did was justified.

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[–] congerking 16 years ago

Well, seeing as though The System Lords, Ori, Replicators, and Wraith wanted to enslave or murder trillions of people, I would say that yes, humans are the good guys.

[–] UglyPig 16 years ago

The humans have single handedly brought down the System Lords, destroyed the Goa'uld, blew up the Replicators and now killed the Ori. Not to mention since the humans started using the gate system, the Tollan got themselves wiped out, the Tok'ra were destroyed and the Asgard blew themselves up, whilst in the Pegasus galaxy, the humans destroyed the Asuran homeworld and have dealt numerous blows to the Wraith.

And we're supposed to be the good guys?!

Since those guys were all bad guys, (except the Tok'ra, the Asgard and the Tollan, but they weren't killed by Earth/humans) and "we" acted primarily in self-defense, the answer is an obvious yes.

[–] agent_tau 16 years ago

So, in World War 2, if we Allied forces completely destroyed all of the people living in the Axis countries, that would be OK, would it?

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[–] redwingjs 16 years ago

So, in World War 2, if we Allied forces completely destroyed all of the people living in the Axis countries, that would be OK, would it?

Yes, that would have been wrong, except that's not what happened in the SG universe. Those people worshiping the Goa'uld were freed (humans and Jaffa). The people worshiping the Ori were also freed from oppression. So basically, your little analogy there fails.

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[–] Heliosphere 16 years ago

Yes, that would have been wrong, except that's not what happened in the SG universe. Those people worshiping the Goa'uld were freed (humans and Jaffa). The people worshiping the Ori were also freed from oppression. So basically, your little analogy there fails.

Exactly. If you want to make a WWII analogie, what Sg-1 did was essentially kill all the Nazis and virtually nooone who was innocent, and there is nothing wrong with that. And I fail to see your point in brining up the downfall of the ASgard. If you watched the series you'd know that the Asgard themselves tell us they were doomed loooong before we even ventured into space - they started cloning themselves dooming THEMSELVES. They on their own made the decision to commit suicide. We SAVED them from the replicators, replicators that weren't even sentient self aware beings (hell they weren't even natural or organic), another point of yours that makes no sense - since killing the replicators was essentially like killing a virus in your body when you're sick. And as far as the Tok'rah and Tollan go, that's like saying a tribe living in Africa should have prevented 9/11 - and because they didn't they're responsible for the deaths that happened that day. You can't blame someone for something they couldn't possibly have prevented.

[–] nomen_meltdown 9 years ago

If every citizen of the Axis countries was committed to the cause of murdering or enslaving all non-Axis citizens-- the way the goa'uld and the wraith and the replicators and the asurans and the ori were-- then I vote yes, it would be okay. If an aggressor seeks your utter extermination for unjust motives and will stop at nothing, then 'genocide' in self-defense seems justifiable. The SGC didn't aspire to wipe out the Jaffa if it could be avoided, and didn't aspire to wipe out the humans enslaved by the System Lords or the ori-- only those who faithfully served their masters' oppressive agendas. If someone is relentlessly trying to kill you and won't back down or leave you in peace, your prerogative to survive may require you to kill them; by the same token, if another society is relentlessly trying to kill you and won't back down or leave you in peace...

As for the Tollan, the Tok'ra, and the asgard, blame the ori, the goa'uld and their own dead-end cloning program respectively for their ends; Earth helped them, that doesn't mean Earth is to blame if we fail to save them from all of their enemies.

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[–] compel_bast 16 years ago

Technically... The Replicators destroyed the Goa'uld.

While in the form of humans, darn...

A problem is, this is very similar to the first and last episodes of The Next Generation.

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[–] Dachunde 16 years ago

You're both right and wrong with that post.
The scary thing is in many respects humans have ACTED too intimidating when it comes to foisting their beliefs/values onto others...within the SG-1 universe anyhow.

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[–] Kanten 16 years ago

Considering that Earth was pretty much single-handedly responsible for opening Pandora's Box with the Ori, there's quite a lot of blood on our hands (Chulak, Dakara, Tegalus, Hebridan, Langara among others.)

Are we to see a Stargate movie where SG-1 are brought before the Intergalactic Court of Sentient Being Rights to answer for the crimes of mass genocide???

Ironically enough, that was the working plot for the final Aschen storyline.

[–] js_d-1 16 years ago

Since when were the Tok'ra destroyed ?

[–] Kanten 16 years ago

Since when were the Tok'ra destroyed ?

Ever since Anubis killed most of them in Summit/Last Stand.

[–] js_d-1 16 years ago

Ummm have you not seen continuum ?? They are alive and doing pretty well

[–] magnus166 10 years ago

But unless they come up with another good queen, they will eventually die out.

[–] agent_tau 15 years ago

Hey, Stargate Atlantis stole my idea! Sort of.

(See episode entitled "Inquisition")

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[–] Malfunctioning_Seany 15 years ago

I just noticed the date which you first posted this, was it supposed to be an April Fools Day prank?

[–] agent_tau 15 years ago

Actually, no. The date was pure coincidence!

(However, since board time is 8 hours behind me, I posted it pretty much on April 02, almost!)

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