http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/03/iuniversei_deals_with_ninth_chev.shtml
read it and post your comments about wear you think it might go....
my idea is that they have 8 for galaxies wear 9 should be for other universies maybe
anyone else got any ideas?
The writers have said that Stargate Universe will be set in our own universe. So far the 8th chevron locks have only been to close-by galaxies, maybe the 9th will connect to far away ones?
shareThat would make it too much like sliders
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Hey hey now... Sliders was a great idea, and some of the ideas were rather grand!
It's just too bad that Fox wrote some really crap plots too :(
Had a great cast, and again... it's too bad Fox dumped a lot of them simply
because they love to flex their muscles.
A sliders-like Stargate show could work well...
They have the mistakes from Sliders to learn from as well.
It's a great concept, and the idea shouldn't be dismissed so
quickly, just cause one show kinda ruined it :S
Sliders was really good to start with.
It was the last two seasons or so after Sci Fi took up the show that made it go to crud.
9th chevron = time?
sharei doubt time will be involved because thy built time machines but if they could already travel through time via the stargate why then would they have built the time machines as there would be no point also earth teams could the go back in time give them plans to the deadalus class cruser the f302 and more and give them all the info on goa'uld and the ori so it would just be a bad idea i think they might find a way to use it like they cant medal in there own time line oir somate woah :O i cant belive i just wrote loads lol
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I suggest you watch the episodes "2010", "2001", and "Moebius Part 1 & 2" before suggesting that time travel would help SGC get a head start on technology and the Goa'uld.
When O'Neill wnt to the Asgard homeworld, they said that the 8th Chevron was like dialing another area code. The 9th chevron will probably be akin to a country code. Like the person above said, probably farther distances throughout the universe.
i rember watching a video from a stargate convention which had the writters on stage and when the audienced asked if we will ever see the furlings he said we are trying to work out a way of intruducing them proberly could this 9 cheveron open up the furlings or are they going to be on atlantis season 4 beacuse i read that there intrducing a new race of alien into the plot which im gonna guess will save them cuz theres no way of that with the amount of people injured they could sav them selfs
shareok, so the 9th chevron is obviously some way for the gate to do something it normally wont do with 7 or 8 symbols, be to travel to other dimensions, times, or even to move the gate itself, we wont really know.
but, lets hope that for it to be something truly spectacular and origonal, it will be for something that we cant even guess here in the forums
they would not use time, as seen in many episodes and the new movie to come, something always goes wrong when they travel through time, too many consequences.
I am going to have to go with you. . . the Alternate universe theory... they have already proven that there are an infinite amount of alternate realities and that the Stargate can connect these Realities (tho be it by accident) so why cant the Stargate purposely connect to another reality?
~Thanato
Since it appears the series will be canon for the DVD movies it can't be alternate universes. I can't remember the specific episode (i can find it if needed) but there is a problem with 2 of the same person existing in the same universe. One will start to expirence temporal distortion (think thats what it was called) within 48 hours which would continue to get worse and possibly result in death.
We have seen a few instances of time travel in the series and know the ancients opposed the idea entirely (episode of Atlantis where Weir goes back in time when the ancients were leaving atlantis) so it's not likely they would have built that function into the stargate's. Not to mention the episode of SG-1 with the time loop O'neil and Teal'c were stuck in, the device used to cause that loop was built to send people back to cure the disease that was killing them, if the gate was capable of sending people through time on demand that device would have been pointless.
My opinion is the 'country code' idea, even further dialing then Pegasus/Ida galaxies. Rather bland but makes the most sense. Another idea i had was the 9th chevron caused a 180 degree phase shift when you went through the gate but that leaves the 8th chevron being used while dialing without being part of an extended address, would be kind of hard to explain that without fans going ballistic lol.
Edit: Just had another thought. If the 9th chevron is used as a separate command and not part of an address then the possible uses are mind numbing.. and makes phase shifting possible :D
another excellent idea, the whole 9th-symbol-isn't-a-gate-adress thing, it might be used to affect the traveller, or turn the gate into a weapon, or even to create a stable two-way wormhole, like an extra gear, it would take more power or something to merit it needing an extra symbol.
sharei think the 9th will be a way to travel to alternate realitys
shareThey already have that. It was called the Quantum Mirror.
And the Ancients didn't use the Stargate for time travel. They had a device built into that one puddle jumper, which means they didn't need a Stargate to travel through time.
The Stargate is a door. It's not a magic box that can manipulate any dimension outside of space (although time travel incidents can occur when the wormhole travels past a center of high gravity, such as a star).
If the writers are going to remain consistent, the 9th symbol has to relate to a vector in three dimensional space. To use it for anything else would undo the fabric of the Stargate universe. Ascension would be pointless, and Atlantis wouldn't be in the known universe where the Wraith could get at it.
Wormhole physics, people. It's not brain surgery,
http://www.tthfanfic.com/Story-12031/jrabbit+Dialling+Nine.htm
Might make it a very short series though.
I'm having a feeling the key might be ZPM's, energy from a microblackhole or the equivalent Ori powersource which might be an acquired technology after Ark of Truth. The gates going to need the power from a ZPM because it's going to be intergalactic travel under this guess about the subject of the show.
Expanding Universe Theory = Where a galaxy was million years ago isn't where it is now...
Chevron 1 to 6 is the destination.
Chevron 7 is where the destination galaxy is now.
Chevron 8 is where the destination galaxy was a million years ago.
this step would just bounce off a galactic gate system and then to the next so no individual gate would activate
Chevron 9 is point of origin.
This theory might also explain why the Ori can't send spaceships from the Ori Galaxy to the Milky Way. Asgards have fast hyperdrive for galactic travel but the Ori need to build a supergate because the distance was far 10 million years ago when the Ancients left and it's now a lot further away.
Your theory does sound interesting and most scientifically plausible of all so far. Although i think that chevron 8 is already established as a "galaxy area code", but maybe when you dial all nine their functions would change? I don't know.
However i wanted to suggest another alternative not mentioned before:
What if chevron 9 does not refer to another reality, but in fact opens a gateway into another dimension/plane of existence?
Just dial nine chevrons and step into ascended state of being; only you would need to know the exact address to dial for your own place of origin. If you remember, in the original movie the chevron that was unknown was in fact the symbol for the point of departure "earth". So the 9 chevron gives the point of departure - "earth" in relation to and leading into ascension.
That's my idea.
The 7th chevron is typically used as the originating point in space (see the original movie and the SG-1 pilot). When 8 chevrons are used the 7th becomes an extra distance calculator (galaxy area code) and the 8th chevron becomes the destination point. I do believe that however that official cannon has this reversed although in other episodes that explain how the gate system works I don't think that would be feasible.
1. We already know that the gate itself is capable of time travel without the use of the 8th or 9th chevron. (ep 1969 and 2010).
2. Even if time travel was the desired affect they already have access to an Ancient puddle jumper outfitted with a time travel device.
3. Traveling to an alternate universe could easily be done with the quantum mirror stored at Area-51.
My personal opinion is that the 9th chevron will allow a two-way wormhole to be opened on a planet in our own galaxy that doesn't have a gate with the 7th and 8th chevron indicating coordinates on the planet surface of where the wormhole should be opened.
quote from gateworld universe story by cooper
'How do we create a third arm to the franchise that is very connective and that fans will feel is born out of the material that has come before, but at the same time is very much something that stands alone?'
Well you cant use the original stargate again as would just be stargate sg1 so "the ninth chevron" series will have to launch from somewhere else like atlantis. In atlantis the stargate can be controlled bythe chair so maybe the antarcic defence platform with a second gate from somewhere, will have to see what the "arc of truth" and "continuum" bring as the writers are working heavily on them first and surely will bring something from them to launch the third series aswel. Stargate universe was the working title which suggests universe travel. As mentioned before the 8th was like a local dialling code the 9th could be the national/international code (i.e. +44 is england) after all there are thousands of galaxies in our universe. I dont think the different universes theory stands up, the writing would be too much, each galaxy seems to have its own enemy, thousands of galaxies in each universe, millions of planets in each galaxy would just be too much. It may simply be a way of connecting to a planet or location in space without a gate after all you only need 6 chevrons to create a location and could create a "virtual server". no doubt it will be something we cant even think of, and be brilliant. roll on 2008
I believe the 9th Cheveron will have something to do with Ascension and the Way to the Ascended plane of existence without actually ascending. Many rumors have been spread about Micheal Shanks joining the series and we all know he has a thing for ascension
shareRight then, my 2cents.
I'll start by saying that I have no idea what it'll be about & I don't really care...mainly because Atlantis has dipped into pure cheddar, repetetive *beep* over the last season, so much as to stop me watching.
Anyway
It won't be about time travel as that's been covered as a solar flare error of the gate + the ancients tried & failed with it. Won't be about ascension as that would make parts of SG1 stupidly pointless (why have Keb & why describe it as an evolution?).
It won't be about alternate realities, timelines, or universes cos they've covered all of these in one way or another.
IF, IF they base it on any of the above, t'will be crap - and I'm basing that assumption on the writing quality of SG1's later seasons and shatlantis.
'I don't blame anyone for the loss of my legs. Some Chinaman took them from me in Korea...'
To tell you the truth, I don't think that the gate has anything to do with the ascended people. I think that people have to ascend on their own without the stargate. The 9th chevron, I think, has to do with going to another galaxy that is the way further away than Pegasus. And I think it has to do with the Ori, that is if they aren't cleared up in the movies. I don't think it would be as cool if they introduce another bad guy race.
After I wrote this, my sister brought up a good point, and I must change my point of view. I think they should introduce another evil race. But I do think that the Ori will come back if they don't get blown up in the movies.
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After reading most of this, an idea popped into my head, the 9 Chevron address is used to more accurately pinpoint a location in space, requiring some extra power, the stargate then creates a one-way wormhole to that point, without the need for a stargate. A method of exploring places beyond the stargate network if you will. It would require taking a ship capable of some speed probably taking the components to build a gate on the other side in order to get back.
This is all of course HIGHLY conjectural.
On the other hand, the writers/producers could just be watching forum threads like this one to see if anyone comes up with an original idea they like, then they'll make it do that.
It would be cool if the 9 chevron was kinda like call forwarding. Stitching the incoming wormhole to an outgoing wormhole.
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+44 is the dialling code for the UK, not England. That may sound pedantic but refer to someone from Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland as 'being from England' and you might aswell call all Americans, Canadian. Some American TV program referred to Christian Bale and Cillian Murphy as "2 fine up and coming English actors", excellent research - neither of those guys are English.
shareraf-33 is so right! And USAers need to start being more conscious of these things as we do about the use of the term American. American, actually refers to all north and south Americans in general, and the rest of the world uses the term too loosely--including the British people who refer to USAers as Americans pretty exclusively while simultaneously criticizing us for calling Welsh people English. We have a great problem, though, because our nation is named along with the continents. So, Canadians and Mexicans actually are just as American or more specifically North American as people from the United States of America. Even the South Americans, and you can ask them if you don't believe me, dislike the notion that people from the USA are referred to exclusively as Americans. It would rather be like, I suppose, if only the French were called Europeans as if the rest of the Europeans weren't 'real' Europeans. Then, on top of this, the technical name of Mexico is not Mexico. Its real name is Estados Unidos Mexicanos or, translated in English, United States of Mexico. So, you cannot really call people from the USA United Staters or something. Therefore, many of the most geo-politically astute people in the USA are trying hard to promote the use of the term USAer for people from the USA. It's not the most elegant sounding thing, but it's better than insulting people or creating ambiguity. So, think about it. We'll work on making sure not to call people from Wales and Ireland and Scotland English, and you might work on calling us USAers instead of Americans. What do you say?
shareYou know what, this is the best fan-made suggestion I've seen for this third series..! (alter-ego-2)
If tweaked a bit, I'm sure this could be a formidable series...
And it would also have zero connection whatsoever with either SG1 or Atlantis...
They travel to a different universe or whatever (through a small starship capable of fitting through the gate), and stay there permanently (not crossing over, like Atlantis) Brilliant! :D
liking this idea a lot!
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One problem. A one-way wormhole is highly impractical. And humans don't have the knowledge to build a Stargate. The Tollan built one, but they were wiped out.
shareI know that all of you here now a lot about how a startgate works but i remmber and episode (can't remember which) but the stargates are basicly superconductors that once the material is de-materialised it has to be rematerialised by another stargate therefore the theory that the stargate can transport you anywhere with-out a stargate would be impossible and if it did you wouldnt be re-materialised im not saying its a bad idea i just thought that most would know that it would be impossibe.And i heard from some videos of comic con that the new seris will take the stargate universe in a completly new direction that know one would think of.Also that it wont be a spin off like atlantis so it could be their way of keeping the SGC going.
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Well, the Tollan guy managed to make a Stargate with stuff ordered off the internet, so it's possible.
Edit: erm, he also made diamonds(right?) with Sam's microwave s:
The guy who made the stargate out of earth based materials was orlin a de-ascended Ancient who was built it out of a lot of materials and a toaster and the i think it was somate like an emerald i rember it being green he then deacsende as a child to stop the ori plague on earth but came back as a child.
The tollan could make a stargate but they had the help of the nox and they made it smaller
To be honest, I don't know whether or not the Asgard know how to build a Stargate. They should, since they downloaded the Ancient database from O'Neill the first time. But they never really visited that possibility. Interesting.
sharethe asgaurd had the repsository of the ancients as it was mentioned by thor that they already downloaded one and studied it thats how the asguard ships computer could translate o'neills words also they have a very advanced remote dialer that could some how creat enough power wirelessly to create a wormhole to their own galaxy.but the humans dont even need the repsitory as atlantis has a massive database that was updated when the ancients re took the city in seris 3 so i recon that if they wished they could build a stargate if hey wish just finding the material and making it work may be the hardest part but mckay and carter created a way for a 30 odd stargates to make a bridge between the two galaxies.
shareDidn't the Asgard actually know the ancients? They were one of "the four races" that coexisted. Didn't they?
shareIf the 9th cheveron was for a one way wormhole to a region in space without a stargate, then the whole of the series would be about them finding a way back home, and that's just star-trek voyager all over again.
shareThe quantum mirror was destroyed by Hammond's order after Carter and Kowalski went back to the other reality. They even complained about it when all those duplicate Sg1 teams kept showing up.
shareAh Hammond is truly great his words are powerful AND HE EAT TEALC ALIVE AND SERVE TO ALL AND HE EAT AND WE EAT
And then he look at tealc and say "tealc I want you to build a giant statue of me and I want it made out of liquid gold and I want it to light up and be powered by a naquada generator." and tealc say "But General Hammond, it is impossible to make a statue out of liquid gold and have it light up with naquada." AND HAMMOND SMACK TEALC TO THE FLOOR AND THROW THE INSTRUCTIONS AT HIM and Hammond say "Shova! I already made a statue of me exactly like that yesterday! I want you to make one that's 20 times bigger!" and tealc say "But General Hammond, your original statue is already 100 meters high!" AND HAMMOND KICK TEALC AND SAY 'SHOVA! USE A LADDER!' AND HAMMOND THROW LADDER AT TEALC and then tealc beg for mercy and Hammond grant mercy and then tealc build great statue of Hammond and after 7 days of non-stop work and no sleep and some crackers and water, tealc is finish and Hammond look at statue and smile and tealc smile and is proud of work but hungry too and Hammond feed tealc a lot of good food but tealc doesn't know Hammond is just feeding him to make him good to cook so he keep eating but then Hammond thank tealc for great statue and say good work and tealc smile BUT THEN HAMMOND THROW TEALC INTO OVEN AND TEALC SAY 'BUT YOU GRANTED ME MERCY' AND HAMMOND SAY 'I TAKE IT BACK SO I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU AGAIN LATER!' AND TEALC IS COOKED ALIVE INTO TEALCTURKEY AND HAMMOND FEAST INFRONT OF NEW STATUE and then friends Baal and Daniel come to gaze at statue and they also eat tealcturkey AND HAMMOND CLONE TEALC AND FEED HIM TEALCTURKEY AND TEALC EAT AND THEY ALL EAT TOGETHER BUT THEN HAMMOND RIP TEALC TO BITS FOR DESERT AND MAKE TEALCICECREAM AND THEY EAT
Ah, Bless Hammond For He Is Power
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But, wouldn't crackers and water make the consistency of the Teal'cburger, not so tender?
BTW, Hammond should hold a BBQ at a midnightridazz ride.
Many ridazz get hungry after riding 40 miles.
Ah, you are good observer pointing out crackers and water would make tealc not taste so good, but infact these crackers are full of protein and carbs, but they taste horrible to tealc and Hammond he force feed HE STUFF CRACKERS INTO TEALC'S MOUTH AND THROW WATER AT TEALC AND MAKE TEALC WORK AND THEN HE RIP AND EAT TEALC ALIVE
Ah, Hammond will definitely hold a BBQ there, he will bring many tealcburger and also give them special souvenir shirts made out of tealc HAMMOND HE LOOK AT TEALC AND RIP HIM TO BITS AND SEW HIM INTO A NEW SHIRT TO WEAR HE RIP HE WEAR HIM ALIVE
Ah, Bless Hammond For He Is Power
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guys the new star gate series is going to be different dont listen to rumors or nets stuff or etc the new series is going to be totally different from stargate sg1 and star gate atlantis and all new chars not one from a previous series show will be in it and it I believe be 1000 years after in the time line after stargate atlantis goes off air when its done with it series that if this new series is a go and able to keep its ratings if not it be off the air fast.It also depends if the writer strike doesnt affect canadian actors and if the writer strike will end and then i hear there maybe a actor strike soon after and if the writer strike ends because I guess the actors contract renews are due soon.
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