Why did Zach..


When Zach and Shaun went to grab a beer at the camp fire, one of the dude says to Zach:

"What's the deal you're still with Tori then?" and he doesn't reply. And he says "What's are you a ***? I mean she's hot." Shaun gets up, leaves and goes to the ocean and the guy continues speaking "So it's ok if I move into it then" and Zach gets up to follow Shaun. Why did he ignore all those questions?

Because I feel like at that moment, Zach knew Shaun is gay. Because right when the friend said the F word, he left. Zach went straight to Shaun to the ocean and the first question Zach asks Shaun is "So, are you dating anyone?" because he obviously felt uncomfortable about the gay slur, so Zach was trying to find out if it was because he's gay.

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Zach knew that Shaun was gay all along. It's hinted at in the dialogue about Shaun's book, when they walk back from the beach after the first time they've been surfing together.

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What was the "hint" that indicated he was gay? I said this in another thread but I'll say it here:

They never mentioned anything about what's in the book other than Zach saying "Who knew there would be so much drama in the gates of pacific blush, I never knew". That's the only detail we know about the book (and that it's fiction), so there was no indication revealing that the book had anything to do with homosexuality. Sorry, just re-watched that scene and could not find an answer

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I don't remember exactly (it's been a while since I watched it), but I think Shaun says something like "I never knew that you knew [about me]"...

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graham the 6th is right.

Shaun says to Zach "I just never knew that you knew about me" after Zach tells him he read his book. My assumption when watching that scene was that it was a reference to his orientation. Especially since they had talked about the secrets in the book and that it was part fiction, by virtue of his having changed a few names, etc. To me the scene at the beach was to reinforce this idea and show that while no one else knew or noticed, Zach was aware of why Shaun got up and left the campfire and was sensitive to it, both because he's gay himself and because he cared about Shaun.

So yes, I think Zach got up from the fire to go talk to Shaun because he understood why that comment would bother him and he wanted to show support and friendship. And he ignored the other guy because (1) the gay slur applied to him too and (2) he might have felt conflicted about dating Tory himself but he wasn't going to 'give permission' for someone else to date her. Both because he was at that point still conflicted and because she isn't a piece of property. He certainly showed throughout the movie that he respected and cared about her. I think most times a rolled eye kind of look or derisive frown is the best response to a tacky set of questions like that.

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Exactly! Great answer. :)

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Thank you!!

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Following Zach and Shaun's second surfing session, they discuss Shaun's first book which Zach said he liked. As they discussed it a little more, Shaun says, "I never knew you knew that about me." This must be a reference to Shaun's sexual orientation. Following their meal at a nearby diner, they end up at Shaun's home. They've both had a few beers and after a little horseplay, Shaun kisses Zach a few times. As Zach drives home the next morning, he appears a little disburbed and confused. At this point I believe that Zach is not completely sure of own sexuality but is certain of Shaun's.

A few days later Zach, Cody and Tori are at the beach and Shaun shows up. Zach treats Shaun coldly but needs to talk to Tori privately. They leave Cody in Shaun's care and have a discussion in which he breaks up their relationship. When they leave with Cody, Zach again treats Shaun very coldly. Zach drives Tori home and while he is saying something to her, she slams the car door in his face and walks to her house.

It is shortly after that when we see Zach in turmoil at his painting bench outside. He finally makes up his mind and drives to Shaun's house and ends up spending the night with him. It is the following morning that we see Zach driving home again, but this time, as so many viewers have commented, Zach is not confused but rather begins to smile as he is driving because now he is more sure of himself and he knows what he wants. This is the moment when Zach comes to acknowledge himself.

Even after all this, toward the end of the film, Zach has another meeting with Tori and she, far from being angry, shows compassion to him creating one of the most moving scenes in the film. She asks Zach, "Do you love him?" and Zach answers, "Oh, come on." She says, "Seriously. He's a good guy, Zach." This is the one and only time that the word "love" is used regarding Zach and Shaun's relationship. This is one of the three key scenes that make this film so emotionally effective.

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There is a scene before that second surfing session with Shaun where Zach and Tory are watching a movie and it seems clear that he’s not interested when she initiates intimacy. When he’s with Shaun the night they first kiss, he doesn’t pull back or seem to be anxious in any way. When he wakes up the next day, I don’t think he’s disturbed or confused about what happened with Shaun. I think he’s anxious about being late to pick up his sister.

By the time he sees Shaun again at the beach, he’s had to deal with his conflict over what to do about Tory and his feelings for her (because after all he genuinely cares about her, just not romantically) and his sister asking him if he’s a “fag” and expressing concern over just the idea of him spending time with someone who’s gay, much less being gay himself. I don’t think he’s unsure of his orientation at this point. I think he already knows how he feels. What I think he’s unsure of is whether to continue to hide it or to finally do something for himself instead of for everyone else around him as he’s always done. That’s what I think he’s trying to decide in the scene right before he goes to Shaun’s house. Not “Am I gay?” but “Can I do what I want for myself?” His smile the next morning says to me that he’s happy with the choice he made, not that he’s just figuring out how he feels.

When he breaks up with Shaun later, I also don’t think it’s about confusion over his orientation. I think it’s a combination of factors including (1) the feeling of being pressured to grab his own chance when he feels so responsible for Cody (2) the difficulty in living in an openly gay relationship, especially considering the attitudes of people like his own sister (3) his lingering sense of responsibility toward Tory and (4) just the pressure of having to deal with all those things and share it all with another person.

I agree with you about the scene with Tory (and love the one where Gabe reaffirms his affection and loyalty to Zach as well). And I think it’s telling that she says “I already know. I’ve known for a while.” I’m not sure she’s just talking about Shaun. I think she means that she’s suspected for a while that Zach might be gay. And when he says “You’re the only reason I wish I wasn’t” it reaffirms my earlier impression. At the end when he takes Shaun’s hand and makes it clear to Jeanne that they’re a package deal, I don’t think it’s about finally realizing that he’s gay. I think it’s about finally being able to stand up for himself and make his own choices, no matter what other people think.

I’m not saying that your take is wrong and mine is right, just that this has been my read every time I’ve seen the movie. That Zach already knew he was gay but just wasn’t sure what to do about it. Just wanted to share my thoughts on that.

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There is a scene before that second surfing session with Shaun where Zach and Tory are watching a movie and it seems clear that he’s not interested when she initiates intimacy. When he’s with Shaun the night they first kiss, he doesn’t pull back or seem to be anxious in any way. When he wakes up the next day, I don’t think he’s disturbed or confused about what happened with Shaun. I think he’s anxious about being late to pick up his sister.

By the time he sees Shaun again at the beach, he’s had to deal with his conflict over what to do about Tory and his feelings for her (because after all he genuinely cares about her, just not romantically) and his sister asking him if he’s a “fag” and expressing concern over just the idea of him spending time with someone who’s gay, much less being gay himself. I don’t think he’s unsure of his orientation at this point. I think he already knows how he feels. What I think he’s unsure of is whether to continue to hide it or to finally do something for himself instead of for everyone else around him as he’s always done. That’s what I think he’s trying to decide in the scene right before he goes to Shaun’s house. Not “Am I gay?” but “Can I do what I want for myself?” His smile the next morning says to me that he’s happy with the choice he made, not that he’s just figuring out how he feels.

When he breaks up with Shaun later, I also don’t think it’s about confusion over his orientation. I think it’s a combination of factors including (1) the feeling of being pressured to grab his own chance when he feels so responsible for Cody (2) the difficulty in living in an openly gay relationship, especially considering the attitudes of people like his own sister (3) his lingering sense of responsibility toward Tory and (4) just the pressure of having to deal with all those things and share it all with another person.

I agree with you about the scene with Tory (and love the one where Gabe reaffirms his affection and loyalty to Zach as well). And I think it’s telling that she says “I already know. I’ve known for a while.” I’m not sure she’s just talking about Shaun. I think she means that she’s suspected for a while that Zach might be gay. And when he says “You’re the only reason I wish I wasn’t” it reaffirms my earlier impression. At the end when he takes Shaun’s hand and makes it clear to Jeanne that they’re a package deal, I don’t think it’s about finally realizing that he’s gay. I think it’s about finally being able to stand up for himself and make his own choices, no matter what other people think.

I’m not saying that your take is wrong and mine is right, just that this has been my read every time I’ve seen the movie. That Zach already knew he was gay but just wasn’t sure what to do about it. Just wanted to share my thoughts on that.


I agree 100% with your take, it is how I have always seen it too. I haven't watched this movie in ages, but after reading that I think it might have to watch it pretty soon!

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Your entry is admirably thoughtful and I agree with most of your points. The fact the characters of this film elicit such degrees of discussion is an indication that it is a pretty damned good picture.

I don’t know if you ever heard the commentary track of the DVD for this movie, with director Jonah Markowitz, Trevor Wright and Brad Rowe, but it provides a few clues and is quite interesting.

In the scene with Zach and Tori watching a movie, Trevor Wright said that this would be a chance to make out with Katie Walder a little. But he was told, “No, that’s not what we want, exactly.” I’ve never thought this scene really works because Zach gives Tori a fairly deep kiss but she become perturbed that she is being ignored which Wright tries to indicate by returning to the bowl of popcorn. This scene would only work if Zach just gave a her a fast kiss on the cheek instead.

As Zach and Shaun are walking back from the beach in that great reverse tracking shot, Zach mentions that he had read Shaun’s first book and liked it. But when Shaun says, “I didn’t know you knew that about me,” Zach looks away and tries to change the subject. Zach knows Shaun is gay. but is not sure about himself or as he later says to Shaun in their breakup scene, “I’m not sure if this is what I want.”

In the scene where Zach and Shaun first kiss, Trevor Wright says that director Markowitz had slipped him a note saying that he should close his eyes as Shaun puts his hand on his shoulder and starts to move in and that his eyes should remain closed until after the last kiss when Zach turns back toward the camera and opens his eyes. At this moment his expression is a combination of satisfaction and confusion, which he expresses with his eyes. This is a good time to mention that Trevor Wright’s facial and eye expressions are marvelous for this film. Why he hasn’t become more active in films is a mystery to me. Wright also says in the commentary that he was a little surprised when Rowe slipped him a little tongue to which Rowe said, “Well, it seemed like a good idea.” with Markowitz saying, “I told him to.”

The breakup scene between Zach and Shaun in the car seems forced, with both of them saying quite cruel and inconsiderate things to each other, particularly in light of the warmth of the dinner scene at Shaun’s home and the affection expressed only a little earlier. On the other hand, the scene between Zach and Gabe in the closed diner is extremely good and is superbly played by both of them. With the hug Gabe gives to Zach as he leaves, he is in effect saying, “I don’t care that you’re gay. I love you as my friend and nothing is going to change that.” This is why this scene is so touching and can easily draw tears. But still, after Gabe exits, Zach turns toward the camera with a pained and unsettled expression on his face.

In the scene when Zach shows up at Shaun’s home and apologizes you can clearly see that there are tears just forming in Wright's eyes. Of course, the film as a whole is designed to make the audience, gay or not, become more and more attached to Zach almost without realizing it. In the final scene between Zach and Tori, when Zach becomes a little emotional saying, “I always wanted to be everything to you” (a heartbreaking line, because he knows now that he never can be), Trevor Wright, on the commentary track, is a little choked up and barely audibly says, “This is so hard to watch” and Brad Rowe, chuckling a little says, “Just hit home with you?” Trevor answers, “I don’t know.” And yes you’re correct: the line, to Tori “You’re the only reason I wish I wasn’t” says it all. He is gay and he knows it and he will have to take the bad with the good. The affection the audience has for Zach grows throughout the film and makes them wish they actually knew someone like him. Trevor Wright and a wonderful supporting cast convey this to the audience very effectively. In the scene of Jeanne’s departure, Zach turning back and taking Shaun’s hand in his only reinforces this feeling.

The very final scene of Zach, Brad and Cody playing on the beach was apparently added sometime later. You can see that they both have longer hair. The original ending was to be with Zach, Shaun and Cody standing together as Jeanne is leaving with Shaun’s hands on both Zach and Cody’s shoulders with Shaun turning to Zach saying “Are you ready?” and a final close-up on Zach and then a blackout. That to me was a better ending then the little add-on. We would have been left with slightly ambiguous feelings of what their futures might be just as the conclusion of “Maurice,” another brilliant film of a gay love story with a “happy” ending, conveys.

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Dude, you just pointed out my favorite scenes: Zach driving home smiling, the talk with Gabe, and the talk with Tori. :D I love the way the movie says so much without having to actually say it. There are layers to the story. If this was a book, it "shows rather than tell", letting the audience derive their own conclusions.

As emotional as Brokeback Mountain was, I didn't feel the same chemistry there as I did here. And Rowe and Wright are straight, which really shows how great the acting was. The supporting cast were also exactly as they should be. I have sisters, and Holmes as Jeanne played the part of an annoying sister perfectly, lol. I feel the same way with them sometimes, have had huge fights with them, but they're family, and I couldn't hate them even with all their faults (and mine) in the same way that Zach couldn't just leave Jeanne and get on with his life. Walder as Tori was heartbreaking, in that unrequited love is quite a common occurrence in girl bestfriends of attractive gay guys. Gabe is the image of loyalty, yet still conveys the fact that he is perfectly aware that he is richer than his bestfriend and wished he wasn't (the slightly awkward last minute exhortation for Zach to visit him in college).

Come on, film people, make more movies like this!

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Funny how everybody can have it's own 'version'

I saw the movie a couple of times (and agree some things you say, although I do think the morning after the first kiss is a combination of 'I'm getting late' and 'what have I done (after drinking to much Alcohol) now I can't ignore my feelings that easily anymore' (whish I agree he knew he had))

But in my eyes, the main reason (apart from Cody) of the break-up is indeed because he is a coward ;). After his sister says he's just a summer *beep* and he realising everybody left her and Shaun could leave him as wel. I think he felt to vulnerable and don't dare to give himself more and just end it himself.

After speaking with Tory who perhaps understand that and says 'we don't belong to people forever' he says 'So why bother?''Wouldn't that worth it?' After he confirms that he finds the courage to go back to Shaun.

But whatever way of looking at is, I find it one of the most beautiful movies I ever saw, and think the acting is amazing!

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A couple more observations that might be interesting:

There is a 25 minute extra “The Making of Shelter” which provides a couple of points.

Ross Thomas, who plays (very well, incidentally) Gabe, Shaun’s younger brother and Zach’s boyhood friend from high school, intimates in his interview that when he suddenly shows up at the family home where Zach and Shaun had been spending some time together in bed, he is completely oblivious to what had been going on. But his demeanor suggests he senses that something has been going on before he showed up. To begin with, he must have noticed Zach’s car in the driveway. Later in the the day when he joins Zach at the diner and fixes himself a hamburg, he says, grinning to Zach, “Nice shirt, by the way.” He sees that Zach is wearing one of Shauns shirts which Zach must have hurriedly grabbed when Gabe broke in on them at the house.

In his interview, Trevor Wright says: “You know, I’ve got to be honest, it was, I don’t know more passionate than doing it with a woman on screen, you know. I felt totally comfortable, we talked about it and just did it, bang. I think my and Brad Rowe’s chemistry was just awesome -- we really connected. I mean I went further than, you know, I thought I would, that’s for sure, with certain scenes.”

The story is really a roller-coaster ride for Zach. After a scene in which he has opened up or become closer with Shaun, something occurs with his sister Jeanne or his girl friend, Tori that is a setback for him in a definite pattern. Zach and Shaun have a rather serious breakup scene in the car at the party and things look pretty bleak for them. And yet it is Tori with whom he has spoken to rather harshly in their earlier breakup scene who now shows Zach compassion and kindness giving him encouragement to pursue his desires both in his art and his heart. Likewise, his straight boyhood friend, Gabe, in their final scene in the closed diner, is kind and understanding in his charmingly clumsy way. He says, “The fact that it’s my brother is really weird.” Zach says, “OK, I’m sorry.” Gabe replies: “Don’t be sorry.” As he leaves, he gives Zach a hug and says, ”We’re still bros, right?”-- in effect saying, “I don’t care that you're gay. I still love you as a friend and nothing will change that.” Very powerful stuff.

There have been many films made in this particular genre, but none quite like this one.

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I know you posted this forever ago but you mentioned the word "love" and I felt compelled to add something. The word "love" had another prominent place in the film: it was written inside of a large red heart on the mural that Zach was working on through-out the film, the one he was very inspired over as he & Shaun are in their early, blissful bubble. Seeing that was my first real clue that this was more than a first time fling for Zach. Later, after he's broken it off, in his sullen achey state, he stands watching as the mural is painted over. He'd worked hard on it but the building's owner didn't appreciate that. It sucks to have your art destroyed. More so, his sorrow was about saying goodbye to that red heart, that "love" & the dream that went with it.

Ultimately, he couldn't kiss the dream goodbye. Luckily, he was able to have it all. A rarity -- a nice ending.

I really appreciate that art was part of the storytelling in a movie about an artist who is finding himself & falling in love. Especially since we knew from the beginning that Zach's art was very personal -- his stencil showed his house with the bridge behind it. We also know that he sees it as deeply personal because he is so protective of his sketches (when he allows Shaun to look at the sketches, he is revealing himself in a way he rarely does.) Zach knows that Shaun is the same kind of artist because he's read Shaun's barely-fiction "a few names changed" novel. He's glimpsed Shaun's real self through Shaun's art and decides to let himself be seen.

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I know you posted this forever ago but you mentioned the word "love" and I felt compelled to add something. The word "love" had another prominent place in the film: it was written inside of a large red heart on the mural that Zach was working on through-out the film, the one he was very inspired over as he & Shaun are in their early, blissful bubble. Seeing that was my first real clue that this was more than a first time fling for Zach. Later, after he's broken it off, in his sullen achey state, he stands watching as the mural is painted over. He'd worked hard on it but the building's owner didn't appreciate that. It sucks to have your art destroyed. More so, his sorrow was about saying goodbye to that red heart, that "love" & the dream that went with it.

Ultimately, he couldn't kiss the dream goodbye. Luckily, he was able to have it all. A rarity -- a nice ending.

I really appreciate that art was part of the storytelling in a movie about an artist who is finding himself & falling in love. Especially since we knew from the beginning that Zach's art was very personal -- his stencil showed his house with the bridge behind it. We also know that he sees it as deeply personal because he is so protective of his sketches (when he allows Shaun to look at the sketches, he is revealing himself in a way he rarely does.) Zach knows that Shaun is the same kind of artist because he's read Shaun's barely-fiction "a few names changed" novel. He's glimpsed Shaun's real self through Shaun's art and decides to let himself be seen.

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