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I think that this was a good movie with some laughs and a positive message. I felt so bad for Hanna when she was in the bathroom near the beginning :(

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Agreed...

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I must have missed the "Good message" part...

What exactly was the message??

That you can have confidence as a beautiful person?
That you are more likely to succeed in life as a beautiful person?
That you can finally accept who you were as a person AFTER youve had plastic surgery?

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I think the lesson is...
Plastic surgery can't solve everything.

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It did solve everything. She got the guy but decided she didn't want him; she also got the singing job. What didn't plastic surgery solve in this movie?

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Yea, this movie contradicts itself. It tries to portray the message that plastic surgery can't solve anything, yet she got everything that she wanted after having the operation. They even showed her bestfriend at the end trying to ask the doctor to fix her whole body. What's the message then?

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I think that's a deeper point. It shows that this is the way our society works. It tells the truth. I think that's part of what I took away from it. It isn't hiding how society really is and treats people. She may have had a deeper understanding of the fact that being skinny wasn't going to make her a fulfilled person, but it doesn't change the fact that society (and her love interest) were still only interested in her because of her appearance. It's all really sad, actually.

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Sure, its precisely how Korean society works. But the problem with the movie is it actually thinks that it works just fine. And nothing in the ending is sad - actually its quite an upbeat message. Just do it, and you'll be successful.
I guess that's the best you can do in a for profit Korean rom-com really.

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Heh - the message is clearly: beauty is in the persons character, and their actions; not their looks. Personally, I liked Hanna more as she was before than after the surgery-- so I can understand the reaction of most people around her.

Her REAL beauty did not surface until after she admitted to be Hanna, in public, and the people saw who she really was (as a person). I had to cry at that scene. The delivery man had to cry too: also in his eyes, this made Hanna 10 fold beautiful: not just on the outside, but now also on the inside, for she really understood how he felt.

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I guess I kinda got a different idea of the movie...see...when I watched it I cried because I felt it (in some ways) understood what fat people (ie. me) felt like...

Never seen for what we can really do or never taken seriously because we don't look good. I don't agree with her becoming "perfect" but is it wrong to want to fit in? There are nice people out there who try and see us for what we are but ultimately society judges us for being different. I have friends who say they love me for who I am yet are unable to truly see what I can do because I look ungainly doing it.

I don't agree with her becoming super skinny and super weepy...but I don't see anything wrong with her taking the desperate way out just to fit in. For me...being a size 10 would be nice...at least I'd be able to buy clothes! But for the meantime...I waddle through hoping people would see me for who I am not what I am...

She made mistakes (if she didn't there'd be no drama) but I guess all I'm saying is that I see nothing wrong in the overall message of the movie. But it's just my opinion ya? *grinz*

"Is it a crime to be ugly?"

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Ok, I'm going to sound like a real f@#K-head here, but I'm sick and tired of the all this people saying that being fat and overweight is ok!! Its not fraking ok is unhealthy, I'm not saying that people should go and have a plastic surgery or a crash diet either that just too extrem and dangerous. But all this idea in the west of its ok if your fat is just plain stupid, just because the US have a overweight problem they too lazy to fix they came up with its ok to be fat thing. I heard that when the Nutty Professor came out in the US there was a group fat ppl complaining that the movie poke fun at fat ppl and a call to boycott it. WTF??!! They even form an association of fat ppl in the US??!! Why don't you people just excerise and stop eatting so much Mcdonalds!!

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Yes, beauty is in the person's character and their actions - but people care about those things ONLY if you're beautiful on the outside FIRST.

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Calliope is correct!. The message is about perception, pop music perception and human relations perception. I perceived a raucous satiric comedy with terrific cast of characters. Beautiful !!!

I miss Big Band music and talented singers. Leonard Cohen is my idol. Civility, harmony, unity!

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As other people have said, it's that plastic surgery cannot solve everything. Yes, she did get everything she wanted in the end, but only after she came to terms with herself. Before that, yes she finally got close to the one she loved and was on the same field as him looks wise but she was so conscious of herself that she couldn't get close to him. In order to become a new person, she lost her family and eventually, her best friend. I don't think she accepted herself after the surgery because she was finally beautiful, but it was the wakeup call she needed. You never know if the grass is actually greener until you've been there. I think this movie was a good message to the young girls in Korea all looking to get plastic surgery which is so prevalent there.

This movie was a good social commentary as well. Yes you do get paid more attention to if you're pretty. You're not going to make it as a singer unless you're good looking (Korea or North America). It is true that we pay more attention to more good looking people.

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the really awesome part was how in the end... they said that hannah had more "anti-fans" than she ever did when she was jenny. this movie did very well in conveying such a complex issue in a light-hearted and understanding manner.

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I agree with you. The movie was touching that I cried at the ending!

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The movie was a commentary of how shallow Korean society is and its obsession with plastic surgery.

How people won't treat you as a humab being if you are unattractive. I know every society is like that but I think Koreans take it to another level.

Personally I found Kim's acting a little annoying and overly cutesy. But I was deeply moved by her heartfelt confession at the end saying how she lost everything including herself.

It was ironic how Kim herself had her nose done..in real life that is.

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I have doubts regarding her nose, but I think her lids are real (based on photos of her from high school), and I'm pretty sure her lips are. Koreans with full lips are far from uncommon.

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Yes, it's a good message - if you live in south Korea. As someone who has lived here for four years I can assure you the reality of life in South Korea is much more harsh than the movie. They are addicted to plastic surgery and treat anyone even slightly "imperfect" as subhumans. That goes for skin color, too. People checking their faces in any shiny surface available, 24 seven. Little emaciated kids put on needless diets by their selfish mothers. Forget that job at Samsung or LG unless you get a few ribs removed. Appearance has completely replaced intelligence, creativity and productivity as criteria for most jobs. Yes, plastic surgery can, and does solve everything - If you live in South Korea. You've got to see it to believe it.

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Woah.. I heard that for their 18th birthday, it was common for Koreans to be given money for double eyelid surgeries by their parents but that's awfully far! A child shouldn't be on a diet-- that'll stunt their growth!

So I guess while some of the posters have made the point of that in some scenes, the movie is acting like cosmetic surgery is a good thing, perhaps this is because the writers grew up and live in an environment that says exactly that!

But still, the movie also does talk about how the surgery's not gonna do it all, e.g. with the antifans and how Hanna wasn't happy until she confessed.

And to those who stand by it's condoning plastic surgery by giving the movie a happy ending.. maybe its because they wanted to make a lighthearted happy movie that ends with the 'fat ugly girl' actually achieving what she wants.. it's a nice ending. I'm happy with it, much happier than I could be with an ending that resulted in Jenny going down, Hanna staying down also and her plastic surgery bits slipping out of place.

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And America's not shallow and accepting of people of all sizes? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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I can't believe nobody mention this. The guys that said plastic surgery can't resolve everything is right. We human being are bound by the perception of eye candy. That, it's hard to find someone ugly attractive despite his/her kindness. But, with a little help from plastic surgery, you can see the beauty inside a person without being distract by his/her look. Overall, the movie tell us it's OK to had plastic surgery, but it can't give you something you don't had already.

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And why single out just Koreans for being shallow? When it comes to cosmetic surgery, surely they're still catching up to, say, the Americans and the Japanese, who after all have had the cosmetic surgery bug (with the requisite specialist surgeons and the disposable income) far longer.

I live in Los Angeles, and I can attest that parents here do give their teenage daughters nose jobs and boob jobs for their birthdays, and mothers do put young daughters on needless diets. And of course, 'imperfect = subhuman' is the quintessential formula that drives the entertainment industry everywhere. Let's not forget either, that when it comes to rib-removal, corset-wearing Western women led the way generations ago (in both cases I'm inclined to think it's just an urban legend -- still, I'll admit I don't really know). And as for looks being more important than brains in some jobs, that's just business as usual everywhere, including wherever it is this Korea-basher hails from.

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One part still gets me. In the bathroom, he (I've forgotten his character's name) was breaking up with Ammy. Then he went on bashing Hanna, calling her fat and ugly. This scene made me incredibly reluctant to believe later on that he had actually loved the fat Hanna.

And the ending was ambiguous, at least for me. He admitted that he didn't like his partners to have had plastic surgery (in the beginning scenes, you can see how nasty he was towards Ammy). He did admit in the end that it wasn't her looks that attracted him. But the final scenes only showed them working together, not having a relationship, while his brother teased him for liking Hanna.

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"One part still gets me. In the bathroom, he (I've forgotten his character's name) was breaking up with Ammy. Then he went on bashing Hanna, calling her fat and ugly. This scene made me incredibly reluctant to believe later on that he had actually loved the fat Hanna. "

I'm not sure if you can understand Korean or if you just read the subtitles, but I have a feeling here that there was a translation error in the subtitles. He did say he felt he was using Hanna and that she was fat and ugly, but he sounded more like he was stating a fact, not like he was proud of it. Sometimes the voice can carry emotions not carried into the subtitles.

Can somebody who has a better knowledge of Korean shed any light here?


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I really really hope it's a translation error. His words is really awful.

"You think I like her? You don't have to remind her what a turn off she is. Leave her be."

"Listen. We're just using her. Understood? Be nice to her. If she walks, it's over."

No matter how he said it, it's still awful. But the way he said it, not an ounce of guilt or shame or whatever. Yeah, he didn't gloat. But he said it very coldly, very unfeelingly.

I'm willing to take the second line as he trying to convince Ammy to behave.
But, I can't convince myself and he really feel any guilt or shame while saying the first line, or he cares an ounce for Hannah.

Maybe it's just a culture thing. Koreans might interprete his tone of voice more accurately. I don't know.

So I can understand why greenie4242 find it hard to believe later on that he has actually love the fat Hanna.

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yes, the translation is pretty good. the level of honorifics in his monologue were different, and the translation should have been different. (it's been a while since i saw the movie)

i live in korea and can attest to the fact that how good someone looks is directly associated to their value in society. when applying for a job in korea, one is directly assessed based on their looks and wealth. we have to give a recent picture on our job applications, and, more often than not, one's picture is more relevant than one's qualifications. i graduated from a very good school and i was passed over for a job for someone that went to a low level school and who graduated with grades not good enough to get into teacher's college in canada. im not knocking canada, but simply stating (from experience) that good looks and wealth can get you anywhere in korea.

don't get me wrong, i know it's the same everywhere. but it's magnified in korea. look up the concept of "culture lag"

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First of all, WOW!!! Is South-Korea that superficial, that's crazy, but I guess it's the culture. Secondly, the movie served more as a social critique/commentary on whole Plastic Surgery issue than having a 'good message' per-say. They definitely take those surgeries to the next level. However, there is always something good with the bad, and vice versa. Not to get to the whole 'Canada' bit, but I live in Canada, and have lived here for the last 14 years. And believe me, I live in my city's downtown, just a block away from the most popular street and I have to walk it every day to get to work. In the past 3-5 years, the population and popularity of international students, namely South-Korean has increased by at least 70%. And I will tell you this, what they wear (especially the girls) and how they wear it feels out of this world sometimes, and not in a bad way. It looks awesome, and the best part, never sleazy or slutty. I have no idea how they've managed to get such a style that is so sharp, dynamic, spiffy and trendy without resorting to the whole 'the less you wear the better you look' ideology. With that said, I can see how they can go too far. I know a few girls personally, and I can tell you that they are extremely obsessed with aesthetics. Everything has to match, everything has to be a brand name; if you're not a cosmetics/clothing-line walking ad then you should stay home. That's too much. But then again, while the locals wear a mix of average to expensive brands, you'll always see an over-weight person (again, most likely a girl) wearing something extremely skimpy that would make you cringe. And they wear it so liberally. I can tell you this much, that phenomenon could only be seen in North America. In Europe you'd actually get fined for that type of exposure, it's considered obscene (I'm not Joking you here.) In South Korea, you will never see someone like Hanna (pre-surgery) walking with the skimpy dresses she was wearing afterwards. People were looking at her oddly when she was wearing the nurse outfit, or that fancy dress; imagine how they would look at her if she was fat and wearing it. They'd probably throw garbage at her. No to mention that you'd rarely find someone that overweight in South-Korea, unless they're elderly, and even then... That's another reason why this movie works so well for the South-Korean Culture; because unless you're familiar with the South-Korean aesthetics mania, this won't make sense to you. We all know that U.S. has its share of brilliant women singers that are overweight, nothing wrong with that. It's the skinny, fit and the pretty ones that create all the scandals.

Also, part of the movies' message was, surgery or being beautiful won't solve all of your problems. What about Ammy, she was pretty, skinny and fit, but couldn't sing for $hit. So yeah, she lucked out for having an obese singer who didn't mind staying behind the curtain, but once Hannah was gone, boom, her record got delayed a whole year. Her beauty didn't help her there at all. The movie even made enough cracks at her for not only being a bad singer, but a terrible actress as-well. She got so much beating in the movie that having Hannah/Jenny have her moment of revenge at Ammy was pointless. Her appearance only took her so far. And Hannah, she could not have continued her career unless she came to terms with herself. She even said it, she misses 'Hannah' and was caught up with the hype to a point where she lost her own identity.

The end moment, with her friend coming to the surgeon's office was just a gag, and a commentary to the whole 'wholesome' message of the movie: 'Yes, don't put too much emphasis on your looks, but if you still want it, I'm here anyway.' Same idea with saying that Hannah received many more anti-fans than Jenny ever had, some people still hated her and called her a phony. What killed me was the scene when Jenny was interviewed, and the producer suggests plastic surgery for Jehnny (after she'd already had one.) That was a serious WTF moment for me, but it had meaning behind it.

P.S. it would be really Ironic is the actress herself actually had plastic surgery.

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I think Shotor kinda summed up the context of the whole movie, including a rather insightful evaluation of how this movie really reveals how prevalent the plastic surgery culture is in Korea.

I don't think it was a good message. It was more like a "real" message of what happens in their country, especially in the entertainment scene where most artistes go by looks & lip-syncing is just part & parcel of the scene for success.

The part where Jenny was asked to go for another plastic surgery? I think it's a deliberate mockery of artistes who deny having plastic surgery but are later exposed to be doing so. This might seemed queer in Hollywood where most stars will admit to getting their body fixed but in Asian context, most people will still prefer to know or rather be "deceived" that the beautiful stars they see on screens are all-naturale beauty.

Yup, so it's a sad game of exposing lies & hiding behind the fluff of what looks good & beautiful.


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I agree with meluvlord that Koreans respect "natural" beauties more than "artificial" ones, but I think this attitude is stupid. I don't understand why people think plastic surgery is wrong. First of all, we are not born equal. Some people are smarter than others, more athletic than others, more talented, better looking, etc. That doesn't mean we have to stick with what nature gave us. Why shouldn't we try to better ourselves, if that's what we want? I hate the whole "natural is best" bull**** argument. Natural is not always the best. What about the kid who is born with some sort of deformity that can be fixed through surgery? No one looks down on her for wanting to change what nature gave her. Perhaps one might argue that plastic surgery is not something you need in the same respect. Well then, what about laser eye surgery? Clearly something you don't need (with some exceptions perhaps, but generally speaking), as there are glasses and contact lenses available. Yet the person who gets Lasik is not perceived in the same light as the person who gets a nose job. Looks are very important--it is the first impression that one gives, and its influence is so subtle and powerful that only the blind are immune from this bias. I'm not saying this is bad or good, just that it is an intricate part of human nature: We respond more positively to beauty. I have several friends in business who got their jobs over better candidates because of their looks. They are qualified as well (obviously you can't be a total idiot), but strictly by paper, some of them should not have been picked.

Anyway, my point is, beauty is not everything, but it is a pervasive power. It is completely feasible that a nice girl who becomes beautiful can lead a happier life than when she was fat and ugly. The movies that show the unattractive girl being happier in her original state are simply being politically correct, the whole "See how idealistic, moral, and unsuperficial we are" spiel. Not that I'm saying such a story is improbable, but it's refreshing to see a movie that is more realistic about society, where beauty does bring happiness because, in reality, it usually helps a lot.

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I think that most of what he was saying was a lot harsher than what he really felt, because he needed Ammy to quit messing with Hanna. Both for his own sake (because he likes having her around) and for the sake of the company (what would happen if Ammy made Hanna miserable enough to leave).

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the message I got is that if you want to be yourself and be sucessful you have to be beautiful. Honestly in the end do you think some guy who would just ask hanna out cares what she looked like? no only what she looks like.

And I like how the fact she lost 80-100 lbs in a year while undergoing surgery after surgery wasn't brought up and there was no mention of her workign to keep it off either.

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'P.S. it would be really Ironic is the actress herself actually had plastic surgery.'

Well Shotor, it is ironic because she did have plastic surgery.

http://popseoul.com/2007/05/17/kim-ajoong-was-not-always-so-pretty/

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