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Aweful anti-america film, made up garbage


This film is entirely made up garbage. The opening comments say it's made up but try to wryly say that it's actually representative of what happened.

It's completely anti-american propaganda.

There's no value here at all unless you're the kind of person who likes to think that all americans are loudmouth idiots and rapists that would kill pregnant women and compare it to stepping on cockroaches (Yes that actually does happen in this 'movie').

Depalma should be banished to france or at least executed for treason or something for this garbage.

Dan K

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And you hated No Country for Old Men. Enough said.

"What I want to know is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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You shouldn't have said something about shooting depalma. That somehow contradicts your point.

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First of all Daniel Kelly it is not a documentary. So yeah I guess that gives you the right to call it "made up bs" if it makes you feel better.

Second your use of hyperbole obscures any attempt at a point youre trying to make. No one thinks "all americans" are anything, especially rapists. But if ONE person raped your daughter would it be ok since its not "all" people who would do such a thing? Yeah, thought, not.

Third, you say DePalma should be IEDed, extradited and "at least" shot.
Way to go man, way to be "american." You damn thug.

p.s. the movie sucked, but for different reasons

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Yeah, funny how the flag wavers are the first to call for the death and dismemberment of those with different viewpoints. Funny how they are also the first to give up their own rights when scared.

"Take all my liberties! I have nothing to hide, so tap my phone, read my mail, and send our kids off to die, just don't let the scary men hurt me! I beleive anything you say! Here, sell this school and send the money to Iraq! Feel free to borrow more from China, I'll co-sign!! I have my radio tuned in to AM, just tell me what to think!!!"

I can't help but think of King Arthur's famous battle cry in Monty Python's Holy Grail: "Run awaaaaayyyyy!"

At least Brave Sir Robin is out of Camelot..

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LOL at Keithulhu. Everything you described, described an american liberal perfectly. They have been brainwashed so bad that they believe that the government is 100% correct in doing whatever they do to "protect us". That includes giving up all their rights because the Government knows best. What a bunch of mindless zombies liberals are.

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No, ShotgunRex, it describes you far right morons to a T. It's liberals who keep trying to wake you idiots up to what's going on. You're welcome!

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The truth hurts, doesn't it Dan?

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The truth hurts? Ummm, where is the truth in this movie? It is a complete fabrication, designed to make the US look bad. That's all. DePalma and Cuban should be ashamed of themselves.

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So you honestly believe the rape situation didn't happen? Or that some soldiers don't act like this?

Jesus man, I knew a few troops in training and the ones who went to the war over there. While a few guys were nice people, the others were jackholes. They watched war movies and laughed when the native people were getting killed, were deeply homophobic, one guy I remember was loud and rude to everyone (at one point even "joked" about rape, funny huh?), and were basically acting like stereotypical rowdy "slap each other in the ass while in the shower" men. One of my roommates was probably crazy...

I think the movie was pretty accurate in that aspect. Its fictional and takes artistic liberties but I was amazed how realistic some parts really were. But mind you, I don't think ALL of it is entirely accurate. I would've liked to see more neutral ground on the Iraqi side, the film was being more sympathetic toward them to reach its point: War is pointless and bad.

Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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Some of the things shown in this movie did happen. The crime is to go and collect every bad incident that happend over there, Combine them into happening by one group of soldiers, adding in fiction and soldiers having the consensus that pregnant women are cockroaches, making it seem like the soldiers will get away with it, and the worst part: Make it look like a day-in-the-life of an average soldier. That's so far from the truth it's not even funny. These are the exceptions to the rule, and they happened dispersed over hundreds of thousands of soldiers... Many of these may not even have happened (Yes everything you read in the paper or on wikipedia isn't true). Hell in civilian life, more crime would have happened per 100,000 lone young males.

Ignorant people will watch this and believe that this IS the life of an AVERAGE US soldier in iraq, and that the soldiers all get away with it. They will be so far from the truth that depalma is the criminal.

Dan K

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The truth is everywhere in this film. What possible reason does Brian DePalma, who is an American, have to "lie" and make "propaganda"?

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"Designed to make the US look bad".

You shouldn`t worry - they didn`t need any help from De Palma to accomplish that.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Aweful American spelling. Doncha doo read'n 'n stuff over there?

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You are an absolute idiot. Very funny though.

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I am a Sgt. in the ISAF force,Norwegian Army,but I am an American citizen and grew up on various bases,an Amy brat you could call me..
This movie seemed so off and unrealistic at some points that I had to squint my eyes to see if it was really there on the screen(I downloaded it,Im not gonna pay a cent for this garbage)
The fact that they try almost to pass it off as a documentary sickens me,the acting is so wooden end over the top,no US servicemen or any servicemen including the hajjis would never refrain to this demeanor,some parts seemed ok,but most were leftist propaganda aiming to undermine the GWOT.)
You should all be proud of our servicemen serving in OIF(Iraq) and OEF(Afghanistan)..look at some of the real documentaries following real sercicemen,not some puny actors thats not worthy to wear the uniform(wich was way off in many cases I might add).
Words can not describe how ashamed I feel that one of my favourite directors chose to make this utter piece of garbage..

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But surely the events of this film are based on actual events from Iraq, and does not portray all American soldiers negatively, there are several good and honest soldiers in the film.

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Seriously, how can anybody say this is made up garbage? Have you not read the articles about the true story behind this movie?

Read and then you may argue for one or the either side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

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You know what I think it honestly is, is that there is another movie by DePalma that is almost the same premise and also based on a true story in Vietnam. I understand Gary Sinise clashing with DePalma. If this story happened it happened. Whether or not it is done the way as portrayed in the movie, who knows? None of us were there. All movies are fantasy even ones based on true stories. I have no interest in seeing this movie. I saw Casualties of War and own it. That is the movie that is similar to the premise of this one except a squad of five soldiers go into a Vietnamese village and 4 out of the 5 men kidnap a girl, rape and kill her. One man, played by Michael J. Fox, tries to bring them to justice. It is basically about how the military tried to keep the situation from becoming an international incident. Yes, it was American soldiers and no they shouldn't have done it and very close to the actual incident as I read the book.

I think the main complaint here is how many times is DePalma going to make the same story over and over again. This is supposedly the second one, how many more is he going to make. And yes, in making these films DePalma is trying to make the American military look bad. The reason I know this is by asking one question which I am sure I know the answer to. Has DePalma done a military movie where the American military was doing the right thing. Probably not.

I haven't seen this film but I don't think I really need to.

But the big picture should be that the American military are not the only ones whom have done something like this, we are the just the only ones that anybody hears about because for some strange reason for the longest time The US is made to be the world's police so we got to have our noses in everything.

I was in the US Navy and know that there are plenty of good military personnel out there and were. I don't need to see a movie about the opposite of that. I saw one. One was enough.

If you guys want to watch Depalma's first attempt at a similar story watch Casualties of War. Michael J. Fox and Sean Penn are brilliant in it.

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Better than asking what movies DePalma has made about the American military "doing the right thing" as you say, is whether or not DePalma ever made a movie about anybody other than Americans doing BAD and EVIL things.

Saddam was EVIL

The Taliban is EVIL

Hitler was EVIL

Pol Pot was EVIL

There is plenty of EVIL out there to report about.

This country has been, is and will, hopefully, remain the beacon and chief defender of freedom and liberty for the entire planet. Nothing the Hollywood left and a bunch of posters from countries that would have been Nazi held OR overran by communists without US behind them will ever change that...

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Yup, America may be the chief defender of freedom and liberty for the planet, however that also means that it gets held to a very high standard in what it does.

There's no shortage of films out there that show the US military as we would all prefer them to be, and by and large, they are, heroic, dutiful, courageous etc.

As there are only a small number of bad US soldiers, there are only a comparitively small number of films that criticise the US military in any way.

And let's not forget that this film is not 100% critical of US forces in Iraq, there are examples of good and honest soldiers.

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A defender of freedom? That's funny, I remember them killing 4 million people in south-east Asia and supporting dictators like Hussein, Suharto and Pinochet. America's foreign policy has nothing to do with freedom except for freedom for the military industrial complex to make more money.

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Scarface showed a Cuban doing bad things.

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Apparently you forgot Scarface was not DePalma's script.

(Anyway, the Colombians in this film were far worse than Tony Montana.)

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I don't think Saddam or even Hitler were evil. They were men with strong idealologies who attempted to enforce them as a sovereign right in their own countries. I think there are elements of the Taliban who were in clear violation of human rights but for the most part, they were just an extremist religious government who wanted to enforce an interpretation of their religious law according to their holy book.

Point is, did a million+ Iraqis need to die in the Iraq war to stop the deaths of 1000 or so despots per year by Saddam?

And did 50 million people (25 million civillians) need to die to stop the expulsion of a few million jews from Germany?

Did over 3 million need to die in Vietnam, and many generations more from poison and leftover bombs, because the US wanted to "fight communism" (the same thing that Hitler wanted to do in 1930s).

Remember that Saddam was given weapons by the US in order to kill Iranians, the Taliban was given weapons by the US to kill Russians, and today the the Israelies are given weapons to kill the Palestinians in their own continually shrinking territories. The US condones and enables the slaughter of thousand upon thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE every year, some of the poorest people of the land with nothing to live for but their families (no internet, no Xbox, no movies, no fast food) and you pieces of *beep* still harp on about the killing of 3,000 odd rich, pampered New Yorkers. Sure, they had families too, but the fact they were wealthy in a wealthy country was the only reason their deaths are seen with more signfificance than the "unworthy victims" of the US and their allies.

Whatever sympathy the world had after September 11 should have well and truly dried up in the following 10 years of atrocities committed by the US since.

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Huh? The Germans started the war by invading Poland, and than systematically most of the rest of Europe. Later they even declared war on the USA.

"the same thing that Hitler wanted to do in 1930s" - yeah, by allying with Stalin to invade Poland. And "the Taliban was given weapons by the US to kill Russians" is simply untrue. Same for "Saddam was given weapons by the US in order to kill Iranians" (try and spot any American tanks, planes, even rifles - the idiot Michael Moore showed a clip the Soviet-made BMPs to illustrate the "America arming Saddam" idiocy, also do you know where the US weapons actually went during Iran-Contra affair?).

And "deaths of 1000 or so despots", what? "Despots"? Really?

WTC was named "World Trade Center" for a reason. People from all around the globe died there - 372 were foreign nationals. Among the victims were janitors, security guards, maintance workers and such, and hundreds of rescuers, including more than 400 cops and firefighters - "rich, pampered New Yorkers"? Who are YOU to call a firefighter "pampered"?

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