The Real Saddam Hussein - House of Saddam (2008) Discussion

[–] BadCookie 16 years ago

He got what he deserved yes. However, you cannot say he was a coward. He was defiant to the death, even up to the point he exhaled his last breath he still defied his executors. So no he was not a coward.

Hiding in a hole isn't a sign of cowardice, it's survival.

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[–] BadCookie 16 years ago

Exactly the hole story isn't even confirmed to be true. Many believe he was drugged and we were made to believe he was pulled out of that hole. When you see the picture of the marine on top of him in that farm house, he looks completely incapacitated.

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[–] crushtv-1 15 years ago

You're dreaming. Saddam was dragged from his spidey-hole like worm. The people re-writing history here are the same sort who 60 years ago imagined Hitler fighting to the death against the Russians on the streets of Berlin.

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[–] BadCookie 16 years ago

The other thing is Saddam's sons. The series will have you believe the fight only last 5 mins, when in fact the battle lasted for over 4 hours. And an A-10 warthog plane and an Apache Helicopter were used in the attack against them.

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[–] sinbin 16 years ago

You idiot. The series would have you believe that Saddam was only in power for 4 hours as well! LOL, don't you understand how movies work?

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[–] pr65 16 years ago

"The other thing is Saddam's sons. The series will have you believe the fight only last 5 mins, when in fact the battle lasted for over 4 hours. And an A-10 warthog plane and an Apache Helicopter were used in the attack against them."

True enough - 200 US Marines, up to 20 anti-tank strikes on the house and Qusay's 14 year old son was the last to die, firing wounded 4 hours later...
They were ruthless people, but no cowards. Tony Blair would have sold his mother and kids out in 2 minutes to save his skin in a similar situation. But then he really is a piece of scum.

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[–] The_Dying_Flutchman 15 years ago

Saddam and his family were trash, but what could anyone expect?

Nothing is more beautiful than nothing.

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[–] Penhall99 15 years ago

Wow. I cant believe I'm reading faint praise about Saddam and his 2 sons. "They were brave..." I dont care if they were brave. They were tyrants and EVIL people who murdered for their own enjoyment and amusement. I'm just amazed at what I come across on IMDB sometimes....

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[–] betterretardedthanemo 15 years ago

Dude, he may well be an evil man but even the worst of people can have some qualities that aren't horrible. Like how 'College' was the worst movie ever made but it still had nudity, you know?

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[–] Emil308 14 years ago

Ok then, perhaps you could name a few qualities of Saddam that "aren't horrible" as you say. Looking forward to a good laugh..err...I mean reply.

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[–] hcprez1 15 years ago

YES evil. But Evil is was and ALWAYS WILL BE in the eye of the beholder. Is it evil to kill or allow to be killed a million civilians in the name of Taking down a tyrant?

"You Make a Desert and Call it Peace....." Look it up.

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[–] crushtv-1 15 years ago

They were ruthless people, but no cowards.

Qusay was famous for murdering his dates (who had little say in the matter) after raping them. Yeah. A really brave guy.

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[–] CreamOfTheColada 15 years ago

"Qusay was famous for murdering his dates (who had little say in the matter) after raping them. Yeah. A really brave guy."

That was actually Uday.

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[–] crushtv-1 15 years ago

Qusay was famous for murdering his dates (who had little say in the matter) after raping them. Yeah. A really brave guy.

Hmmm...are you sure? I thought it was the drug addict son? Hard to keep track of their vileness.

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[–] loriwade 14 years ago

Wow, I take it you don't like Tony Blair?

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[–] lcsdmal 15 years ago

Well lets see....the Marines weren't involved in his capture retard. It was the Army 4th infantry along with third group Army SF and no shots were fired. Also kinda hard for him to be on the second floor of a house when the house he was hidin in didn't have a second story. Buy a history book please.

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[–] Promontorium 12 years ago

How exactly did he "defy" his "executors", comrade?

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[–] mooremob90 15 years ago

Except Saddam wasn't caught by Marines - he was caught by 4th ID. I happen to work with the Brigade Commander whose unit pulled Saddam out of the hole. He was not brave and he did not fight back. He was hiding in a hole like an animal.

This miniseries is based in part on research done by my husband and others who wrote the story of Saddam based on captured documents. It is hard to understand the depths of evil and depravity of the Saddam regime unless you have listened to the audiotapes and read the words written by Saddam and those around them. Chilling does not even begin to describe it.

Make no mistake...he was evil AND a coward and the world is better off without him.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

Neo-con...

Saddam wasn't all bad. I think that whole thing with the hole was fabricated to give Saddam a bad name, he bravely fought and was only taken alive because he ran out of ammunition, and even then it took ten soldiers to wrestel him to the ground.

Saddam killed a lot of people, but many of them were plotting against him and left him no choice. These plots were funded by the US government, George Bush and the Israelis. They forced Saddam to be brutal to protect his own country from foreign control and exploitation. At the start, where he uncovers the first unfortunate plot, he is actually brought to tears by what he is forced to do. Also many of the stories about Saddam are neo-con fabrications.

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[–] stevet196 15 years ago

The "hole story" was fabricated to to give him a bad name??? Yeah, because aside from that, he would have looked like a hero to the rest of the world! LOL, and ten soldiers to "wrestel" him to the ground, only after he was out of ammo??? You certainly are delusional, aren't you?

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[–] hcprez1 15 years ago

He is not delusional....he is giving a look at the other side.

We are AMERICANS...but if you took a POLL around the world as to WHO most nations think are the most aggressive outside its BORDERS it would be the USA.

Who has killed more?

Who boosted Saddam to fight IRAN in the 80's where 1,000,000 Iranians where killed after we overthrew a legit government in IRAN who the IRANIANS had a REVOLUTION to overthrow?

Who GAVE him "WMD" and Logistics during that War?

Who is in WHO's COUNTRY?

Why is the USA in the Middle east? ----------- OIL

When you can answer all these questions HONESTLY and STILL think our hands are clean...it speaks volumns.

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[–] lcsdmal 15 years ago

UMMMM...we never gave any country WMD's. As for the post about ten soldiers being killed or Saddam fighting until his ammo ran out. I don't know how that is the "other side" of the story because it never happened.

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[–] jlleonar-1 15 years ago

brucecarson2008- first of all I hope you aren't serious. If you are, then god help you and may you forever know that you are a complete idiot.

"Saddam killed a lot of people, but many of them were plotting against him and left him no choice." HA!

Is that why he killed his best friends? He was a MADMAN, doing illogical and barbaric things to scare his enemies and those who would speak out against him. He did things to SCARE people into submission, not because he had to do them.

"took ten soldiers to wrestel him to the ground" HA! He was hunted and captured like a *beep* rat. Brucecarson-
u are lucky our wonderful country protects your freedom of speech.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

Neo-con tool.

I bet you also think that Saddam planned 9/11?

At least I think for myself.

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[–] jlleonar-1 15 years ago

lol, it's funny you say that. dude go do the world a favor and live in a 3rd world country and try to fix everything there.

i have more constructive original thoughts per minute than you'll have this year.

go kill bin laden and we'll talk, *beep* dousche

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

Bin laden is a tool who probably didn't even plan 9/11, he's way less powerful then you neo-cons think. He's just a tool for Bush-Hitler to take power and justify his pet wars.

There only exists a 3rd world because of 100 years of explotation by the US and the west. We take their resources and leave them nothing in return.

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[–] EnronForPresident 15 years ago

OMG, people are actually defending Saddam Hussein? A sociopath dictator? Salvador Allende died like a man. Saddam died like a coward, humiliated and hanged with his death recorded for posterity on a freaking cell phone. If he had at least a bit of balls left, he would have either died fighting or kept the last bullet for himself.

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[–] jlleonar-1 15 years ago

man, u know everything about everything, jesus man, will we be my leader? u have all the right answers about everything, u know bin laden and saddam better than they know (knew) themselves, and man, u know exactly whats going wrong with the world and america. You know how to fix everything, you know that america is a horrible place compared with the rest of the world :)

you know exactly what to call everyone "neo-cons" wow, you are so smart and advanced, and learned, so much more learned than lowly educators like me. You compare bush with hitler, man you are so original and golly gee i wish you would be in control becaue then we could give the resources back to 3rd world country and live under rainbows with leprecauns running around the big rock candy fountains of alcohol.

*beep* it, lets just rule ourselves, no elected officials- anarchy!! that way people like you can rule your own little group and lead them to salvation!! i'm so glad you know more about america than me! :)

will your name be on our next presidential ballet? can you tell me how i can fix all my problems and live in fantasy land too???

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

No wonder you're an educator, you've bought all the mainstream media propapagada without question. You're the perfect person to feed all this BS and indoctoranate the next generation.

And yeah I do call people like you neo-cons, because that's what you are. Obama also agrees that the first world has been exploiting the rest of the world, that's why he supports the global poverty plan to give 1% of our GDP back to the third world. I think it should be more, but that's a good start. And he stands against facist attempts to limit a woman's right to chose late term live birth abortion, I'm sure you're against live birth abortion (aborting viable fetuses) which is already illeagal in 26 states - more soldiers to die in wars of domination, right?

No my name won't be on the next ballot, but you can vote the lesser of two evils, that being Obama.

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[–] berens97 15 years ago

Hey Bruce, it's ironic that you're defending the exact kind of people that would have you beheaded for making comments about your country if you lived in theirs. I sincerely hope you aren't in a position in life where you have any influence on young or gullible people. You'd better stick to your anonymous little internet diatribes, for the sake of the FREE world. I checked out a few of your other posts, and I just hope you never move to my neighborhood. Do us a favor, head to one of the terrorist held nations you defend, speak your mind, and let us know how it works out for you.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

It's ironic that you've bought the neo-con propoganda hook line and sinker. Has it ever occured to you that all this stuff about the United States inventing freedom and us supposedly having all this freedom is a bunch of BS? Probably not. All these supposedly "evil" dictators are just scape-goats for the actions of Israel the United states and the other first world terrorist nations.

Go back to watching your Faux news and living in your little black and white fantasy world.

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[–] jlleonar 15 years ago

oh and brucie, not sure if you knew this living in your little liberal bat cave, but the election is over buddy.

just thought i should let you know :) lets meet up dude. why are you living in america? faux news lol, it is you who lives in fantasy land brucie... when should we meet?

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

The election is over, so I should stop thinking for myself right? Just follow your little right wing-authoritarian storybook narrative? It's even worse than I thought, you're not a neo-con afterall, you're a blind tool of the zionists.

And no I'm not going to meet up that sounds like an invitation to go fight and violence has never solved anything.

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[–] hcprez1 15 years ago

Question.... Have you ever had ENEMIES plotting to kill you in a nation where it is OK and you can RISE to power if you succeed?

When you have....get back to me and explain how NOT Parinoid YOU are. And seems he Ruled for about 25 years in this atmosphere...and until the IRAN war we boosted him into....Iraq was the Jewel of the Middle East.

There are ALWAYS many many Sides to every conflict. The Winner writes the History.

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[–] Raginmund 15 years ago

Saddam wasn't all bad. I think that whole thing with the hole was fabricated to give Saddam a bad name, he bravely fought and was only taken alive because he ran out of ammunition, and even then it took ten soldiers to wrestel him to the ground.

Putting everything else aside...you're talking about a 69 year old man. And frankly, it wouldn't have taken 10 soldiers to wrestle a UFC champ to the ground. But you're not really a common sense sort of guy are you, Bruce?

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

He was not a coward, and I do believe he got what he deserved but in the wrong way. We had no right to do what we had done, basically what we did was nearly identical to how Hitler invaded countries back in the thirties, except Hitlers only goal was power, while ours was oil and power. Saddam should have met his end in a revolution, where he was overthrown and imprisoned, much like Mussolini. He should have been taken care of discreetly and humanely. Killing is never the answer, and I'm not saying that Saddam shouldn't have payed for his murders. Just the way it was handled was wrong, Saddam probably was happy to die instead of rot in a prison cell for the rest of his life, yet dying in a prison would have been a much more effective way to deal with the whole situation. And for those of you who agree with the Iraq invasion F!CK YOU!!!!!!!!

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] jlleonar 15 years ago

bruce you are an idiot, you have no idea who i am... i live in chicago, voted for obama (not that i think he will solve all our problems like you do

we should meet up over coffee mate if you really want to talk... i would love that opportunity, i would tear you apart in person.

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

Ha, I love how you all jump on bruce for having ideas. I think a lot of his ideas are good ideas, and I agree with a good chunk of em. Under Bush's regime we had the highest amount of pointless and preventable casualties to war. Under Bush's regime we provided nearly no help whatsoever to third world countries who needed it a whole *beep* load more than our army. Under Bush's regime we have had the largest deficit ever in American history, and he may lead us to another depression. I respect the fact that you, leonar, voted for Obama. Yet will he solve all of our problems, no. Why? Because there are far too many problems too be fixed even in an eight year period. Problems left over by the Bush admin, not the Clinton admin as Bush stated on several occasions. Under Bush's regime we also said we were going to fight terrorism but ended up going back to Cold War tactics and decided to fight communism in a country that had absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists who attacked us in the first place. Bush's regime sent a majority of our troops to Iraq with the idea that they would be home in two weeks and kept them there for months. Under Bush's regime we avoided fighting terrorism for fear that the Taliban would plan another attack on the US and we wouldn't be able to defend against it. Why wouldn't we be able to defend ourselves? I'm so glad you asked, I'll explain. Under Bush's regime we sent our National Guard to foreign countries, OUR NATIONAL GUARD! The men and women who are here to protect our country on our own soil! Under Bush's regime we saw a rise in poverty, rises in taxes, a rise in rebellion against a political party and overall towards the US government in general. So tell me, why do you seem like your defending Bush leonar? I don't know if you are, but it seems like it. If I'm wrong I apologize but from reading your post you do sound like, and please forgive me, but a neo-con with no idea of the damages that some drunken buffoon caused due to the fact that he wanted to be remembered for nothing more than a great president. When in fact he was hated for almost every little thing that he did, he showed no signs of good leadership, in military or in government. He showed no signs of good will towards anybody except A. his friends and B. the people in charge of his trust fund. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me or bruce, but you can't call bruce or me an idiot for simply stating our opinions.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

Some of these posts crack me up!

I love all the conspiracy crap!

The people that think Saddam fought to the bitter end, etc... most likely believe that Obama is the Antichrist, or that Bush orchestrated 9-11!

Where do you people come from?

Anyways... I don't think Saddam was brave... but I do think he was very smart, and a master manipulator. That is not meant as a compliment, just an observation.

Hitler was also very smart and a master manipulator. Again... not meant as a compliment... just the facts.

The problem with both these individuals is not that they had some secret deal with the devil, or were what Revelations predicted... The problem is that they were left to run unchecked for too long.

The ole saying "Those who do not respect history are doomed to repeat it" comes to mind.

Throughout history we have seen when an individual or individuals go unchecked, have no challenge to their authority... they go "mad". No matter how "good" they start out, or how good their intentions are, it always ends in disaster, and it is a mess to clean up.

The REAL problem is with us. We don't want to get our hands dirty, we don't want to get involved in other people's business. So we ignore, look the other way, until it just becomes such a problem we can no longer ignore. Then... like I said... it is a mess to clean up.

Thank God I live in a country that no matter how good or bad the President is... I KNOW he will be gone in at least 8 years... or 4 if he really stinks! Now if we can just get the same rules for the Congress and Senate... we will sitting pretty!

POWER CORRUPTS... ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

No I don't think Obama is the anti-christ I think he's going to be the greatest president ever. Most of the people who have enough sense to know that Bush had a role in 9/11 support Obama. People who think Obama is the antichrist are usually neo-con wingnuts.

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[–] lips_are_important 15 years ago

This is one of the most entertaining threads I've read in a while. I love these screaming idiots who refuse to accept the mere plausibility of any point of view other than their own (which, coincidentally, 9/10 is always extreme, either to the right or left). Whenever I see these lunatics spouting off in the only medium left that will tolerate them (the internet) I look at their posting history. It's always the same pattern: self involved, screaming, belligerent posts on "serious" topics, in this case, Saddam Hussein, Rush Limbaugh, etc., and then, out of nowhere - "why don't some people like Jim and Pam" a la, The Office.

Hilarious.

Bruce, who the hell are you kidding?

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[–] lips_are_important 15 years ago

Also, a couple more points ...

Bruce, on the topic of the "western exploitation of the third world" as you put it... I suggest you pick up a copy of "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond, if you really want to know why there is a "third world". Who knows, if might actually give your ranting and raving some substance.

One more thing ...

A while back in this thread you wrote: "Saddam killed a lot of people, but many of them were plotting against him and left him no choice. These plots were funded by the US government, George Bush and the Israelis. They forced Saddam to be brutal to protect his own country from foreign control and exploitation. At the start, where he uncovers the first unfortunate plot, he is actually brought to tears by what he is forced to do."

My man, you sound like an abusive husband about to batter your wife - "look at what you're forcing me to do!?" It is interesting to note though, that your justification of Saddam Hussein's actions (the systematic slaughter of thousands of people) by preemption to a perceived threat, is exactly the same justification George W. "Bush-Hitler" (as you refer to him) Bush used to justify the Iraqi invasion of 2003.

Hm. Never seen irony that thick before. Interesting.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

Oh man, looks like someone got lost on the fox news website and ended up here...

I don't need to read some old history book about exploitation of the third world, just open a copy of the new york times. Today? Mining companies in Nigeria paying off militias and bribing officials to make massive profits.

And yeah, youre neo-con analogy would make sense, if the wife had actually been a zionist agent of the Mossad the whole time who was planning to kill the husband. Just the idea that there are so many right wingers out there like you really convinces me that we need stricter gun ownership...

Ghandi:
First they laugh at you…
then they ignore you …
then they fight you …
then you win …

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[–] lips_are_important 15 years ago

Need I say more? You assume that anyone who disagrees with you must be a "neo-con" who watches Fox News. Friend, what are you, 14? Also, people tend to take you a bit more seriously when you don't make elementary grammar and spelling mistakes, i.e. not knowing the proper forms of "your", "you're", etc.

I'm thinking you must be 14, because only a child would incorrectly dismiss a book they've never heard of for the superficial purpose of appearing to win an argument. Not that you have the perspective to actually listen to what anyone is actually saying, but "Guns, Germs, and Steel" is not simply a history book, and it was published in 1997. To your credit though, I suppose that is old for a 14 yr old.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

I'm not dismissing it, I'm just saying I don't need to read it to learn about exploitation of the third world given that this exploitation is still going on today.

No, I'm not 14 I'm 27. And yes, I do think you probably watch Faux news given that you cannot even consider the idea that maybe Saddam wasn't all bad, that maybe Israel really is a terrorist nation which is opressing the palistinean people. But nope, instead you fall back to your little biased right wing narrative. I'm not saying you are a right winger, just that you've accepted their ideas - hook, line and sinker.

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[–] thecure-1 15 years ago

I hate when people compare someone to Hitler.
It diminishes their argument and Hitler's evil...
Can we all agree that Hitler was the most evil of all in the 20th century?
Evil score from 0 to 10 = 10

Saddam Hussein knowingly killed and tortured innocent people and conducted arguably genocides of his own ...
Evil score = 8 (Compared to Adolph)

George W Bush is like a kid throwing a party that gets totally out of control. He does it for all the wrong reasons and is trying to become part of history or be better than his own dad ... As a result, many, many people died.
Evil score = 2 (Compared to Saddam)
Clueless score = 10 (Compared to most people)

Other evil doers still around:
Fidel gets a 1. His motivation is good but there is no justification for taking freedom away from people.

Pinochet= 7 (Had more than 10,000 students killed in Chile in the 70s)

African dictators= I am too ignorant on this to opine.

Stalin= 8

Liberman= .5 (traitor)

Feel free to add more everyone!

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

Good God!

You two.... "thecure" and "bruce... whatever your name is" are nuts!

You like to call Fox News "faux"... I guess you watch CNN... "Communist News Network".

Bush is not evil at all... made some mistakes... but every President does. Invading Iraq was and is the right thing to do.

The UN "rules" were being trashed and totally ignored. Now what are you not going to say about that?

Maybe we should just get rid of the UN? I mean... if they set out rules and they are not enforced... well... what good are they?

As far as Hitler being more evil than Saddam... Hitler was just allowed to run "free" longer.... BTW... thanks to Bush. Otherwise we STILL would be dealing with Saddam!

There is no such thing as "evil" people... just people that are ALLOWED to do evil things. And WE... Yes kiddos... ME, YOU, and the rest of the world allow them to do these evil things. DON'T YOU DARE SIT THERE AND PRETEND. You allow it and you know it!

Hitler was allowed... and if Bush had not snagged Saddam... he would STILL be doing evil things. Who do you think was going to stop him... Ted Kennedy! LOL

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

I didn't read your whole post but I got the thing about the Iraq war being right and knew right away who you are. Mark, *beep* off you neo-fascist, your *beep* pollutes our children and ruins our future. You are the future of a world without peace, of a world without decency, of a world without a voice.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

And Raspberry I know who you are.

You are one of those that think you know it all.

HOW DARE YOU tell me who you "think" I am.

MY children are not polluted, but I imagine yours (if you know where they are) will be wards of the state. You have NO idea what a world without peace is.
I have a good vision of it. I remember clearly standing on 9-11... and yes... seeing first hand humans jumping to their deaths. I will NEVER forget it. It haunts my dreams.

Do you not understand that peace is not a "given" it is... and always has been "negotiated".

"of a world without a voice"

It is funny how you, and others like you speak of "freedom of speech" and a "world with a voice"... until that speech or voice does not agree with you... then you are not so excited about it.

I welcome your opinion, I respect your right to express it, why can't you do the same. Is "the voice" you speak of only allowed for those that agree with your opinion? All other "voices" should be squelched?

You sound like a true neo-fascist to me... in it's truest definition!

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

No, no, you didn't understand me. The simple fact that you agreed with the war implies that you agreed with the president. A president who did everything in his power to persecute those who chose free speech over conformity. And yes, peace is negotiated, but with America its only if the peace benefits us and allows for us to feed off another nations economy.

No, I wasn't there at 9/11 and I'm not saying that it wasn't tragic. I apologize that you had to be there during that scene, I understand how traumatic it could be.

Also, I don't think that a voice should be silenced if it disagrees with me, I enjoy being able to argue with someone different and reach some sort of an understanding of their views. But when their views so obviously encourage useless and preventable loss of human life, I have to reply harshly and I have to try my best to either silence or change that voice.

I could really care less whether or not you went through a horrible experience. Yet the fact that you saw that, and now are supporting more useless Americans going to their death is just confusing.

So what you are saying is that Americans dying on 9/11 was wrong, but then us losing thousands of U.S. lives going after someone who had nothing to do with it for economic gain was right? That's just picking and choosing while removing all responsibility for the simple fact that you are against but are supporting death.

And finally, I do respect your right to express your voice, but not when your voice seems to encourage the deaths of five of my family members in the Iraq war.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

But then again your looking at Hitler and the rest of these from only a certain groups stand point. I'm not in any saying that Hitler was wrong but merely pointing out that evil and good are only determined by the agendas of a given person or group.

For example, The Nazis believed Hitler to be a god, and in a way he was. He took a struggling nation, built it into superpower in less than a decade, and had a more powerful army than the world had seen since Ghengis Khan. The Nazis knew that what Hitler was doing was right, they had no doubts about it. They knew that taking back what was theirs from the Jews who took it away from them was justice. They knew that the complete extermination of the Jewish race as a whole was the right thing to do, just as Alexander knew it was right to conquer all of the known world.

Now here comes our side, the Americans side. The same old typical story. "We're right and you're wrong." We knew that Hitler was wrong. We knew that what he was doing was evil and needed to be stopped. Yet who are we now to judge? Back then, yes we weren't as corrupt or as aggressive as are now. Back then we fought for survival, and we fought for the good of struggling peoples, not for our own economic gains with "people are our priority" spin. Now we act as tyrants, we invade to steal the goods of nations which aren't as high on the economic food chain as us. Yet still to us, Hitler and anyone like him is wrong, and we are right. We look at other countries who threaten the world with nuclear weapons as if we never had anything to do with nukes than just owning them. We are the only country to have launched nuclear bombs, yet we tell all countries on a nearly daily basis that they cannot. A bit hypocritical don't you think? I understand that nuclear weaponry spells nuclear winter and possible human extinction. Yet I digress.

The problem is is that you cannot ever be right on a situation like this. No matter how right it sounds. I don't believe Hitler was evil, just confused. He harvested some sick ideas out of desperation for his country. I do however believe George Bush to be evil, seeing as how he has not a care for the people or the economy in his country. All he cares about is being known as a great president. But he will be known as the man who took one of the greatest nations economically, and nearly drove us to another Great Depression. Take into account that at the beginning of his term we had the largest surplus ever and after only like, what was it two years that we had the largest deficit ever.

You cannot defend good and you cannot bash evil, cause there is no such thing as either of them.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] thecure-1 15 years ago

RasperryWaffles:
So your point is that everything is RELATIVE.
But you CAN take a point of view. You can even take THEIR point of view. Hitler was a Lutheran, i.e. Protestant, i.e. Christian... KILLING is INMORAL according to the religion they claimed to be. So even in their beliefs, they were wrong.
There is Good and Evil.
There has to be.
How about using EMPATHY as a way to tell them apart?
So according to your rule, there is no judgment that can be made and fate is decided by who is ruling who.
Yikes.

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

I'm not saying that, I am saying that I don't bother choosing a side because I don't like the idea of it. I try to stay at least open-minded on some issues, if I am able to.

The thing about religion is flawed though, because Hitler wouldn't have done what he did unless his god told him to do it. And if his god told him to do it, but his god was other peoples god and they said it was wrong, what does that tell you about god. That's why I can't agree with religion and how I know, I know that it is fake. A god would not A. Support such mass killing B. Side with two fighting nations at the same time C. Side with a nation such as Germany during WW2 D. Stand by and watch a war without using his "divine" powers to intervene. The idea of a god being involved with war is preposterous and completely irrelevant to this entire post.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] ZBfiveonetwo 15 years ago

all of this partisan crap is what is hurting the U.S. more than anything

I remember a time when Americans were suspicious of all politicians, not just Republicans or Democrats. There is not much difference between the two. Democrats are not the "good guys". That is asinine. They are politicians also..

..and Republicans have a lot of problems obviously. Much of that party has lost their way, but they are not the enemy. It seems some of you partisan left wingers hate Republicans or "neo cons" more than the extreme Islamic fascist elements in part of the ME region that would not hesitate to behead you for being an American or a Westerner regardless of you hating Bush as much as they do.

btw, "Rasberry Waffles", regarding your comments on the economy...we dont have a dictatorship or a monarchy. As much as you want to simplify it to fit your partisan agenda, there is plenty of blame to go around with BOTH parties and going back 20 years. Yes, it took a while for us to get into this situation.

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

I don't have a partisan agenda, I don't even have an agenda. Like I said, I don't take sides. Although if I did I would choose the Democrats.

I never said we had a dictatorship or a monarchy, I'm just saying that under the Bush leadership we moved closer to one than we ever have in the history of our country. Sure we were far from it, but Bush's agenda seemed to be leaning towards one. I don't care which political party you're from, I only care about what you are going to do when you get into office. I never agreed with Bush, everyone knows that all he did was hurt our economy and our country as a whole. I believe in Obama, because I know through him we can regain some of our strength. If Obama was a Republican, I would have still been for him.

And yes, both of the parties are to blame for our situation. Yet if you look at the past 36 years, who has dominated the office? We haven't been this weak economically since The Great Depression, and our economy built up strong since then. Yet since the Republicans have ruled the office for a majority of the last half century, we have just slowly gone down hill.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

Waffle...

I DO have an agenda... here it goes.

You wrote...

"I have to try my best to either silence or change that voice."

Right now, I work from January 1st to around April 9th to pay taxes (not including sales tax, gas tax, etc). In other words... every penny I earn in that period goes to the Federal Government... for them to do what they want. That is a little over three months of my life a year. A year of my life every four years... and in a average lifetime about 20 years.

I have witnessed folks die at the hands of terrorist.

I pay for my and my family's health insurance.

I have never received one penny from the government.

My children attend private school as the education level in our local public schools have gone to zero. I pay for their education.

I work long hours, and try to make myself a valuable asset to my employer (helps to prevent being laid off).

I have been laid off in the past... twice... and took lower paying jobs, and what some would consider work "beneath them". I had the silly idea that some money was better than none.

I paid for my own education, working as a janitor in a soul food restaurant. Driving a cab, salesman at Radio Shack, and whatever else I could find.

Now... here is my Agenda:

I will NEVER vote again, or make a comment about politics. I will even give YOU my vote to do what you want with!

I will not give a care about what anyone, anywhere is doing in any country.

IF

1. I never have to pay federal taxes again. (Don't laugh... the IRS is historically "new")
2. I never have to witness terrorism in the US.
3. You can promise me that my family will never be harmed by any of your decisions.
4. That you can promise me that myself and my family will be given the same opportunities as anyone else... regardless of race, religion, or gender.
5. That no enemy of the US... whether foreign or domestic will cause us harm.

Now if you and your followers can promise me that. I will bow out and never comment again.

If not... if you want my money, if you want my life, then you can bet damn sure you are going to get my opinion... and my arguments.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

Another clueless neo-con. What is so bad about paying taxes? Under Obama, that money will actually go to helping other people and increasing opportunity as well as equality. You should be proud to pay taxes not hate it. Unless you hate helping people.

And you might be succesful, but other people suffer descrimination that keeps them from achieving the same success that you have and they need help to succeed.

Regarding terrorists, they would be far fewer terrorists if the US were to stop creating them by supporting illeagal states like Israel.

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[–] lips_are_important 15 years ago

An "illegal" state .... Bruce, you have no idea what you're talking about. You rail on and on about others being clueless, and not thinking for themselves. Your arguments have no substance, just vitriol and belligerence. In my experience, those who so arrogantly and publicly condemn and criticize others, are generally just stating what they most hate about themselves.

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

In what way do my arguments (facts) just represent vitriol and belligerence? Any examples? Nope. Nothing but a knee jerk reaction which has been programmed into you by years of watching faux news and accepting the neo-con ideas without question.

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

What you are asking for is impossible. Asking me to do it is even dumber than believing any of those things might happen.

If you don't wanna pay taxes, buy your own personal island and live there without government control.
If you don't want to witness terrorism in the U.S ever again, move to another country.
If you don't want your family harmed by any of "my" decisions (whatever those maybe), move to a place where my decisions won't affect you.
If you want equal rights for your entire family and the same opportunities as everyone else, haha, your *beep* out of luck.
And if you don't want to be harmed by any enemy of the U.S., move to another country where you'll be safe from our enemies.

I don't want your money, I don't want your life, and I do want to have your opinion. Yet I am also from a lower income family, my parents both work their ass off, both of them working two jobs and sometimes working three jobs to support my sister and I while getting absolutely no financial aid. I understand how it feels to not be able to afford the best stuff, have to give up a good wage for a low wage. I am not against you my friend, I would help this country if my voice could be heard. But it won't be heard by an 18 year old upper lower class suburban male with a fetish for movies, a longing to act, and also an urge to change and be heard. I have never been accepted into any political groups around my area because people view me as too radical or too progressive, I have been labeled as an anti-partisan and an anti-capitalist. I do however, believe that through a democratic socialist government, like Canada, we could fix a lot of the problems in this country. It could give your family and mine equal rights, could ensure safety, and allow for the better jobs for better people.

I do apologize if I offended you, I really did not mean to if I did.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

Bruce... when you grow up come back.

Waffle... I was responding to your "silence my voice" comment... which by the way is what Hitler did. Someone did not agree with him... he silenced their voice.

And that is so common with Liberals... they get SO mad when someone disagrees with them. Why? Is freedom of speech just for some and not all? You watch... I predict that if ANYONE disagrees with Obama they will instantly be branded racist, or a Obama-Hater. I am afraid we are about to move into a true Nazi era. With the liberals holding the swastika!

As far as being a Socialist country... sorry we are a democracy. At least you admit to wanting a socialist society. However again... that is not how this country was established... and I will die fighting before I see it become a socialist society. I once lived in the Peoples Republic of California... it does not work. If you want to live in a communist or socialist society, I can recommend several countries that ARE set up that way.

And yes... telling me that you want to "silence" my voice pissed me off! I the filthy neo-con would NEVER say I want to silence someone's voice. You see... I have an odd view... That in a truly free society everyone has the right to have a voice.

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

Well I can respect your point of view. I don't see why you would die for a country so aimed at destruction. Why support something that is inevitably going down? I'm not the kind of person you think I am, I don't want Democracy to fail, but I know now that it cannot succeed.

I would never want to live in a communist society so don't even attempt to say that I would. I do however believe strongly that socialist DEMOCRATIC *note the democratic part* governments are sturdier and better supported.

Also, I was pissed off as well when I wrote that about how I want "silence your voice". I don't want to silence any voices, unless those voices are immature and uncompromising. A voice needs to be set up and used in a logical and respectable way. The people I was trying to silence weren't being very mature or respectful in their arguments. They were merely using petty insults and yelling like a child to get their way. I don't know if you were one of them, and I really don't give a sh!t.

All I know is that you saying that it pisses you off that I wanted to silence your voice and the fact that you support a government that for the last eight years has done just that is hypocritical and uncompromising. It must be that you live in fear of your government, and you will defend it even if that means ignoring the facts. You don't understand how Bush's regime did everything in his power to silence our voices, not just yours or mine, but everyone's. He threw a hissy fit every time someone disagreed with him, then set up trust funds and handed out jobs to those who kissed his feet.

You condemn me for saying one thing but then defend the United States government after doing the same thing on a much larger scale for a much longer time than me? Go the hell away and leave me alone, you aren't a part of the solution you're a part of the problem. Stop being part of the problem and silence yourself! If you do that I'd be more than happy to silence mine, because at least then I wouldn't have to waste my time trying to explain things to people who don't understand.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] ritamilo 15 years ago

I just read RaspberryWaffles' post about Hitler and just wanted to respond.

If you look back to 1918 Germany, the country was just about finished after the Armistice ending WWI was signed. 6,000,000 dead and tremendous war reparations to be paid. Not to mention the horrors the Kaiser's army committed along the way.

What frightens me is that Hitler was able to see a ravaged Germany, get it back onto its feet, and mobilize it in less than twenty years to try for world domination yet again.

And he felt it necessary to exterminate as many Jews, homosexuals, the Romany, and also many Catholics, to achieve the Teutonic concept of a "perfect Aryan race," not to mention press-ganging scientists and engineers to craft an atomic bomb. And he almost beat us to the finish line on that one. Yet you call him confused? Confused about what - what uniform to wear to dinner? What color lipstick Eva Braun should wear? Face this: extermination, murder, brutalization, and the rest are EVIL acts. They are not acts of confusion.

He was one of the worst horrors this world will ever know. And his life and tactics were like a training manual for those to follow him: Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, just to name a few - such horrible legacies.

Hussein and his two sons, and many in his regime were brutal murderers. Yeah, they may have "fought" back but inherently they're all cowards. They'd rather cower in a hole in the ground than face the people they've brutalized for decades.

"...truth against the world..." - attributed to Boudicca of the Iceni

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

No, his ideas. He was confused in his mind, he had plans for his people. To take back what was taken from them. The way he went about it was "wrong", but I do not believe them to be evil. Evil is merely a point of view handed down by those who wanted to separate themselves from those they "thought" were committing wrong doings.

Hitler...Hitler was confused. Just as Saddam, Bush, The Columbine Killers and every other "maniac" who ever walked this planet. They believed that through violence came peace, and they were wrong. Sure they were sick ideas but I wouldn't go as far as to call them evil.

Would you call the Columbine Killers evil? No, they were picked on and abused for years and finally decided to ante up and gain some self respect back.

That was Hitler did, except on a much larger scale.

The ideas were poorly constructed, unethical, and violent. But that does not make them evil. I mean, you may look at someone like General McArthur to be a great man, while some pacifists would look at him as an evil warmonger.

All I'm saying is that these people you so arrogantly spit on aren't evil at all. There is no such thing as evil, there is an idea of evil, but no true absolute of the definition. Hitler was confused, plain and simple. He was confused and in his confusion he made the biggest mistake this world has ever seen, right next to the Iraq Invasion.

On one last note, I agree with him exterminating the Catholics, if there is one group in this world that need to eliminated permanently, its The Catholics hahahahaha.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] ritamilo 15 years ago

Raspberry Waffles: Hitler - confused?????? No, I think not. The kindest word to describe him is megalomaniacal and even that word is too kind.

How can you categorize the extermination of millions of people as the act of a confused man? Yet you want Catholics exterminated and can actually laugh about that. So, condoning the extermination of people you personally do not like is thus not evil?

The Columbine killers used their abuse to commit an evil act - they were as evil as Hitler on a much smaller scale.

Have you ever truly researched world history and read about any of the people we are discussing on this board?

In a utopia there would be no evil however, believe it that good and evil are both flourishing right here on Planet Earth.

"...truth against the world..." - attributed to Boudicca of the Iceni

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

Support Bush?

In some things, in other areas I disagree with him... and even get quite upset with him.

I actually don't like the Republicans or the Democrats. I think it is time for a third party. The others have been in power so long, they think they can do anything.

Term limits is a must. People like Ted Kennedy have NO idea what it is like to be one of us... a private citizen.

I tell you there is quiet stirring going on. And I believe a third party is not far away.

I personally believe... as do many others... that the Federal Government needs to be much smaller. This country was founded because people were tired of "big government" creeping into their lives.

Check your history. This country was founded in a manner in which it's citizens were left alone to succeed or fail. All this big government horse *beep* that we have become needs to go away, and we need to get back to basics.

Anyways... I'm done talking about it.

I have already stated my views about Saddam (the purpose of this thread). So I am done with that also.

Repeat history's mistakes, or learn from history's mistakes... your choice.

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

I agree with small government, if it could work. If the people of that republic weren't so weak and so dependent on government support. I would love to have a government that was small and stayed out of our lives more, but it can't happen. Because certain people, like I read in the newspaper the other day, have 8 kids, live in poverty, then try and sue the government for having so many kids and the government not supporting them.

I would love a third party, actually I would love to see the Independents step up and actually make an effort instead of sticking with Nader, who is a great man but obviously not too much of a political candidate.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

I laughed because I was kidding. Do you actually take me that seriously?

And yes I have done my research, at school, and countless hours on my own. I'm a history major at Penn State University, and I made it a point to discuss the likes of Hitler and the Columbine Killers with my professor one day. I explained my views (the same ones as on this board) and he came to understand why I don't believe in evil. He understood that these people were just confused, I mean. Take it like this.

When I was thirteen, a few friends of mine and I were in the woods when we decided to start a fire. The fire ravaged about 4 acres worth of property and killed a few farm animals. I felt horrible about it and still do. Yet would you call me evil for that? No, I was confused. Sure the context is not the same but its applicable.

What they did was unforgivable sure, but not evil. These men were confused about how to handle their problems. Do you honestly think that if the Columbine Killers opened up and asked for help they would have committed such an act? Do you think that if Hitler continued on as a painter he would have been as "evil" as you say he was? No, because they were both confused before they did what they did.

I disagree but respect your point of view, why can't you do the same?

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] ritamilo 15 years ago

Actually, I don't think you're kidding; nor apparently do many of those posting on this board. It seems that you don't respect any point of view not your own, and typing "ha ha" after a comment does not make it humorous. I never said anything disrespectful to you; disagreement is not disrespect.

Extermination or genocide is premeditated murder and not confusion.

You're a history major now - as was I in the 1970's - and I earned a BA and MA in history. My opinions are not based on just watching one program or reading a couple of books. What started out as basic school assignments turned into a lifelong hobby for me and now that I'm in my mid-50's, I will finally have the leisure to pursue my Ph.D. beginning in January.

"...truth against the world..." - attributed to Boudicca of the Iceni

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[–] RaspberryWaffles 15 years ago

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

"She can't stand the sight of me. Now I see the funny side, now I'm always smiling!"

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[–] ritamilo 15 years ago

I won't make the obvious retort.

"...truth against the world..." - attributed to Boudicca of the Iceni

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

I agree with ZB... about being 18, and about keeping the passion.

I am going to tell my age here... when I was 18 I passionately campaigned for Jimmy Carter against Ronald Reagan. LOL!!! I can't believe I did that!

What changed? I started paying more attention, and I started working for a living... really working. Let's see... bought a house, and most of all... had children.

Keep up with your studies Waffle. But beware of what history professors advise you. They are great teachers... however need a reality check from time to time.

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[–] sukisukinow 14 years ago

Raspberry,

Before I continue reading the rest of this thread I am curious about your moral views. I've got this thing about good & evil being subjective too. I know however a lot of people brought up on Biblical hellfire & brimstone, "Oh lawdy, fear Satan, he's after your soul!" religious views won't agree with me on this.

I don't believe all that crap that there is a God who is supposedly the supreme benevolent creator of the universe, yet he created an equally powerful enemy Lucifer who is the supreme evil destroyer of the universe. Bull, horsepucky, and donkey balls, I say. What all-powerful God would do that? How could He be so helpless against His own creation, so permissive toward His own antithesis?

Simple, I say .. because they are one and the same, two sides of the same coin. Everything is a continuum, good/evil, dark/light, life/death, Heaven/Hell. Nothing exists without its diametric opposite plus a thousand shades of gray in between. Therefore no one knows good unless they can compare it to evil. It is truly all a matter of perspective.

Where I get confused is the moral divide of doing harm. We have all been harmed. We have all suffered at the hands of someone else. We have all caused someone else suffering at our own hands. None of us is innocent. But some of us strive to learn from this so that we stop all the suffering, while others blaze on ruthlessly. So I'm kinda hung up on this.

If I feel bad when I harm others, then that is "good," isn't it?

And if I get all self-righteous about someone harming me yet don't feel shame or remorse from doing the same to others .. well, isn't that "evil?" So wouldn't it be fair to call a lot of these self-justifying war-mongers evil, rather than just plain ol' confused or misunderstood?

If not, how on earth can anyone ever justify saving oneself from the harm of letting them just run amok?

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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[–] pardog89 15 years ago

Just read your post Mark. There have been a lot of smart, well thought out comments here (and also several really stupid ones)... But I think you put it in words as well as it can be written. Kudos!

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[–] hcprez1 15 years ago

Nonsense. Saddam was no Coward. And Further...The self rightous really make me sick.

Always Remeber this: DEAD IS DEAD... weather its the USA killing or allowing to be killed over 1,000,000 Iraqis ( more than the USA have lost in ALL its wars combined ) in the name of LIBERATING a country due to none existent "WMD" ( a term made up to sell the war ) from cherry picked Intel and the use of a UN Resolution NOT authorized by the UN thus making the action ILLEGAL, or Saddam killing a 100,000 Kurds who HE would say he was in CIVIL WAR with during another WAR against foreign aggressors which he then would consider TREASON.

YES Saddam was a Bad Guy. But the GOOD THING for Many of my fellow Americans to see that I think the Film does a great job of Portraying is that EVERYONE has MOTIVES and EVERYONE thinks they are RIGHT. Dead is Dead and the Victor writes the History.

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[–] jlleonar-1 15 years ago

hcprez1- you bring up some great points. How many people ended up dead because of our actions?

Bush / America sold the idea of "wmd." His regime (and those in charge of America) also made everyone believe that Iraq would be a safehaven for all these mastermind, 9/11 anti american terrorists, which probably wouldn't have happened. (we won't ever know) He played to a nation wanting blood and used a dictator as fodder.

I'm not sure if 1 mil. is accurate tho. Either way, 5,10,100,1000 is too many.

Bruce, did you just compare yourself with Ghandi? wow, you are seriously delusional- on another post of yours you talk of violence being a good thing.

I'm a peaceful bloke. I've thrown three punches in my life buddy; all in defense (twice i was bloody by the time i finally threw). I meant no physical harm by the saying "tear you up", I mean tear you up vocally, through words... kind of like biggie, dre n kanye, without as many rhymes.

“A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”
- Albert Einstein

If you're every in my city (Chicago) let me know!

Differing opinions, and our right to discuss them civilly makes us stronger as a people (and as humans); i respect your right to voice your opinion man.

this will be my last response, if you want to talk to me further use the private chat. It's been fun bruce!

"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"
(that one might be more your level)

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[–] brucecarson2008 15 years ago

Yah I am in Chicago but I'm not going to meat up and fight you, violence never solved anything as I already said.

My comparison with Ghandi was that though you laugh now hopefully in time you'll actually take a look at all your blind neo-con assumptions about the world and start thinking for yourself. It's just like if you went to North Korea and told them most people in South Korea had cars and ate meat every day - they'd laugh at you because they live in a world of propoganda. Same deal faux news robots like you.

Regarding that Einstein quote, for a Jew he sounds a lot like a Buddhist. Speaking of which, what do you think of Israel? There's a case where Saddam clearly stood up for Human rights and the US supported the oppressor. Israel is an illeagal country built by forcefully expelling the previous occupants. Saddam stood up for the rights of the Palistinian people. Of course, Zionist TOOLS in the US are too blind to realize even a simple fact like this...

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[–] mark-4401 15 years ago

Anyways.......

Regardless of the spinning, Saddam should have been dealt with in the first Gulf War... but the UN would not allow it.

The UN posted sanctions and rules... he ignored them.

The UN did not want to enforce the rules... (my guess because the President of the UN had dirty Saddam dollars on his hands) aka food for oil, or oil for food, or scratch my back, or whatever the hell it was called. This is fact... but no-one wants to look at that.

Bush had the balls to stand up and say... he is not complying. He must comply.

The only mistake (big mistake) that Bush made was the WMD excuse. He should of just said this bitch is not honoring the agreement... time to repo his ass!

It does not matter if it was about oil, sand, or water. The bottom line is that the UN set the terms of the contract... but did not enforce the contract. Which is why I have not idea what the UN is good for.

On a separate note.... and directed to Mr. "Brucecarson"...

Brucecarson... after Obama got elected I had decided that I was going to have an open mind. I was not going to be like you losers and hate him like you and you limp-dicks hate Bush. He will soon become my President... and I had decided to respect him. Your rants "almost" caused me to change my mind. But then I thought... I will be no better than these idiots that hate Bush. Whew... close call.

I look forward to President Obama. Do him a favor Brucecarson... SHUT THE *beep* UP!

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[–] jlleonar 15 years ago

lol... its funny you say 'if you went to North Korea.' My great uncle was a spy in North Korea... still alive, lives in Urbana, IL... his job was taking political prisoners across the 38th parallel into S. Korea.

I'd be happy to tell you one of his stories.

"meat up and fight you" check your grammer. i wouldnt waste my time talking to you in person.

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[–] imnottellingyou101 15 years ago

Reading all these responses have made me dizzy. There are certainly some long winded people on these boards (lol).

I have a simple answer.

Saddam Hussien was a maniac.

Why?

He killed for the sake of killing.
He killed for the sake of wealth.
He killed for the sake of power.
He killed for respect.

The bottom line is, anyone who has a lack of respect for human life and exsistance is, to put it kindly, a rabid animal.

Rabid animals must be put down for the saftey of society.

Saddam Hussein was put down, and the world is a better place for it.

Countless lives were spared the as he swung from the gallows.

We all know what he did.

We all know he was cruel

We all know he killed.

Politics aside....

If he ever raised his gun and took 1 human life...he deserved it
If he ever ordered 1 human life to be taken.......he deserved it
If he was ever a party to 1 single human life
being taken then..................................he deserved it
If his death prevented even 1 innocents death.....IT IS WORTH IT

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[–] sukisukinow 14 years ago

by - imnottellingyou101 on Wed Dec 17 2008 22:18:26

"If he ever raised his gun and took 1 human life...he deserved it
If he ever ordered 1 human life to be taken.......he deserved it
If he was ever a party to 1 single human life
being taken then..................................he deserved it
If his death prevented even 1 innocents death.....IT IS WORTH IT"

Curious on your opinion .. should not the same be said of and done to the Bushes?

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