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Did anyone else find Saddam very likable in the last 2 episodes?


In the last two i really felt sorry for him and it portrayed him as a really heroic figure anyone else agree?

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I agree. At the end of the day he put honor and loyalty over anything else. A shame our western leaders didn't have the same attitude!

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Honorable, yes likable, no. Hitler valued honor and loyalty, too. We must look at the whole of a person when outside their sphere when deciding to like them.

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You must be crazy for saying such a thing. Thank god the Western leaders are not like Saddam! Otherwise you would probably be lying in a massgrave as we speak.

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Hmmm. Had the creators of this show invented the character Saddam Hussein, I think you would have found him likable. It is the fac that he is a real person, and that all his acts were real that you hate him.

So, the character- yes.
The person- no.

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The only one who seemed to have a conscience was the younger son even though he was a nasty piece of work in real life

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Qusay didn't have a conscience as much as he knew what was stupid and what was not, and that made him a likeable character when you are seeing where this is going and why, because even in this setting, it is instinctive to dislike when incompitence is not punished. He came out as a smarter guy than his older brother AND his father.

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Figures that are unlikeable don't tend to come to power unlike the portrayal in the movies.

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No, not really. A guy that would execute many of the friends that helped him to power, that would murder his own daughters husbands, that would gas women and children (the Kurds) without blinking an eyelash. These kind of people are sociopaths and psycopaths and only can feel sorrow for themselves once they are on the receiving end of misery. They deserve none of our pity.

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Fillumfan: You nailed it with your post.

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OP....you are insane.

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The OP is not insane. If you watched the series, you can see his point.

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The OP has a great point.

I usually like to compare this to the case of The Sopranos. I don't know how many of you people followed that series, but didn't just about everyone love Tony Soprano? Why, what made him such a great person? He was murdering, stealing, cheating on his wife amongst a whole bunch of other things yet everyone wanted to be just like the dude. It was the fact that Tony Soprano was a character and not some real guy who was wanted by the FBI that made him appeal to people.

It's usually how the show portrays the man and this show, especially the last episode IMO, portrayed Saddam in a very different light than as some blood thirsty devil. He was easily likable, especially when you watched him communicate with that kid by the river on a daily basis.

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Myself, I wanted to see Tony Soprano go down hard.

But yes, the series did make an effort to humanize Saddam. This is only fair, as most 'bad guys' like Saddam don't think of themselves that way. He justified himself with all the old justifications; the ends justify the means, it's a hard world and you have to be hard to survive, he's not doing it for himself but for the 'people', future generations will idolize his accomplishments and forget his sins.

I thought the series started at an odd time. Saddam's early career is perhaps even more interesting than his presidency. From abused stepchild, to thug, to assassin, to secret policeman, to power behind the throne, to the throne, Saddam was certainly a self-made man. From the opening of the series, one might get the impression that he was another suit and tie politician before the presidency. But fear and violence were his tools from the earliest days. He was a gangster writ large, a mobster with an entire nation as his territory. His family was more mafia than ruling elite.

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That is probably the best way you could sum up the life of Saddam Hussein and those around the man. His life was more closely related to that of a Tony Soprano more so than it was to a man of great religious belief and practice. Many faults could lie in his upbringing as that is usually the case when a child is abused or not cared for enough. I can't say exactly what it was that caused this man to believe in his heart that genocide against an ethnic group of people was the right path to take, but somewhere along the line he lost all rational thought and believed stealing, murder and torture were what was expected of him.

I believe like most world leaders throughout the ages, his ideas for the people of his country as a whole started off with the right goals in mind, atleast that's what I've picked up when reading the history of many infamous world leaders. But in essence all those goals and moral thoughts seem to go down the tubes whenever these guys actually get that taste of the true power they now contain. It goes to their heads and that's when they believe they can do as they please, regardless of who it affects and what the consequences down the road may have in store for them.

Saddam Hussein was a human like me and everyone else who has posted on these forums and there's no doubt in my mind that he had a decent side to him that could have been expressed if only certain things in his life had been different.

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No single person is 100% horrible. By being human there is always something to like about someone, no matter how small that part of them to be liked is.

In this series I did see a man capable of love. He loved Samira, his daughters, his sons, even his sons-in-law. He just had a twisted view of HOW to love them and his love and his feelings about honor and loyalty were also too closely related.

I found him likeable at times. But a few likeable traits doesn't mean that I like the person or that it excuses anything that they did.

The filmmakers said that one of Saddam's problems was that the more power he got the more irrational, paranoid and dangerous he became. Like the power he got the more psycho he became.

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We're talking character, not real-life person. This is clearly not real life, as you have pointed out.

The story was written this way. They had to make Saddam more sympathetic when he was on the run or the story would not have been as watchable. When someone is on the run, you make them sympathetic so there is suspense.

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I did. I liked the scenes with him and the little kid by the river. They should have done more with that.

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Yeah, perhaps he should have hid out in a traveling circus and rambled around the Middle East solving crimes. They did more than enough fake stuff in my opinion.

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Yeah, when it comes down to it, the whole movie is crap. You know why? I don't see how they could have gotten the exact number of facial hairs that the real Saddam had when he was captured. Since I know that wasn't acurate, I could not possibly have enjoyed the movie.

Also, I know this was filled AFTER the events, so the stars were not in the exact positions in the night scenes. Also, they used actors instead of the real people.

Yes, it was littered with critical inaccuracies.

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I like Homer Simpson, but would not want him next door to me! lol

The show was part reality part fantasy. The scenes with him and the kid by the river came right out of a Walt Disney script. I think (maybe?) it was showing Saddam thinking about when he was a kid. Although when he was not much older than that kid (13yo) he murdered his Uncle (in real life).

So the fiction Saddam as portrayed in the movie was likable.

The real Saddam as portrayed in real life, the person that many people saw for the last time in their lives. The name and vision that many people saw as they were butchered... no I don't like him.

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You are probably right, the actual saddam was not likeable, but to tell a story, sometimes you have to embelish a bit. If they just read a timeline of events, or made him completely unsympathetic, no one would watch.

The kid thing was interesting in that it showed a warped sense of care for Iraq. Kind of like seeing a guy kill another guy, and then risk his own life to rush his victim's dog to the hospital because it got hit in the crossfire.

I think it was not so much to show us Saddam as a kid as it was to see how he saw himself as a kid.

The boy is merely a tool to allow us to see the warped logic he used. I think it was an interesting view, and I would have liked to see more scenes between the two.

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It was a rather saccharine and clumsy device to have some recently orphaned boy bond with Saddam like he's grandpa out by the millpond. I found it silly. That's my complaint, not some anal fixation with detail. Bad, lazy writing is my complaint.

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Well maybe at some point you just somehow get use to the blood, destruction and murder that basicly are recurring into that enviromment so you end up juding one character by different standard than the one you are use to

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There's so much propaganda involved in the media and all history. No world leader or historical figure is as evil or as good as most people view them as. If you look at it from the middle eastern point of view it would be very easy to paint the western leaders as horrible, evil, greedy bastards.

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by RaymondMorgenthau (Wed Dec 24 2008 11:17:42)

"Yeah, perhaps he should have hid out in a traveling circus and rambled around the Middle East solving crimes. They did more than enough fake stuff in my opinion."

BWAHAHA! My sentiments exactly. Kudos, bro, kudos.

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