That, plus the culmination of Saddam's death being recorded and shown on YouTube, made me lose my faith in humanity. We have all run astray.
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If you murder thousands in cold blood, rape at will, have zero respect for human life, and are responsible for the shattering grief of thousands of familys then you deserve the indignity of being shown on the slab. I think all those grieving mothers, fathers, children, wives and husbands deserve their justice before those murderous swine deserved their dignity.
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What about all the grieving mothers, fathers, children, wives and husbands who had to buried their loved ones, some being children, after the U.S. bombed and invaded Iraq? These people hate what America did. Do they deserve some sort of "justice" for that?
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I can totally agree with what you are saying and in many ways you are correct. It is difficult for me, at least, and I am in no way, shape or form trying to defend what they did or the lives that they took, the honor of the young women that especially Uday, raped and murdered and the indignation that he brought to them and their families. It grieves me to thing of all the grieving mothers, fathers, children and wounded soldiers and all the pain and suffering they caused. But, you have to wonder, at least about Qusay, if he was truly evil in his heart of was he made that way.
The one thing that the series DID make me think of is Saddam's first wife and Uday and Qusay mother. Mrs. Hussein never did any to anyone. She was a victim herself and stood by him during the beginning and she knew what her husband was and her son's as well. I thought Shohreh Aghdashloo did an excellent job with her portrayal of her. It can be painfully hard to really realize just how terrible your sons, the ones you gave birth to, who you remember as babies and raised, you taught to walk and remember the first steps they took and their first words just so they can fall under the influence of a man who became so evil, that has to hurt.
As a mother, my heart went out to her because I could truly empathize. There is nothing my daughter could do that would make me stop loving her. I may not like it and I may turn her into the police. But, as far as I was concerned, there was not much that she could do. I remember the scene when they were parading their bodies and the horror and sadness on her face. I could empathize with that and I felt so bad for her that I just wanted to hug her. That had to hurt her to her very core.
Not to excuse anything they did, because I am not saying they didn't have it coming, but no one thought about their mother. Yes, she got away with money and I am not mad about that. Being married to a man that you have dedicated your life to, that you and your family took in when no one wanted him and took care of him, a man that had her brother killed, she best friends husband killed and just pushed her aside the way her did, she should not have to live penniless. I cannot be angry at her or her daughters for that. It is hard to accept things, even about your father and your children.
In a way it was disrespectful of her. I don't care about him, just her and her feelings. Maybe this is an unpopular stance to take, but I did feel it needed to be said. And, it did show people trying to advise him to do the right thing and in his own weird way, he did love Iraq, it is to his benefit, if this is true, that he did say, "long live Iraq and the Iraqi people." It is hard to see things like that, but I think that most mothers could relate to her.
This is just an opinion about Mrs. Hussein and her dignity. A woman who had nothing to do with the killing of people, the chemical/biological warfare and the mass graves. He would not have listened to her anyway.
Just an opinion and a thought. But we all have them.
Yes, another poor, defenseless woman. But she was happy enough to live well on the blood money. Ignorance is so much easier, at least until the snake you've been laying down with bites you. She knew Saddam's methods, she even said 'there are no accidents in Iraq anymore'. But when they started digging up the mass graves, it's all propaganda. Why should she live in wealth on money her criminal family looted from Iraq?
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You nailed it. The bodies had to be shown to prove they were dead. Otherwise, the people would not believe it.
shareAlso compare to the way the Baathists showed the corpse of Qasim (quasi-communist prime minister/military leader) on TV: all bloodied (riddled with bullets), with a soldier moving his head back and forth and spitting in his face. The body was then buried in an unmarked grave.
Also the king Faisal and his family were all killed by Qasim (welcome to Iraq) their bodies were run over by trucks, and more:
It is in Iraq where King Faysal II was slain, along with 20 members of his royal family (women, children and pets included), in 1958. That same year, it was his uncle Prince Abd al-Illah whose body was crucified and mutilated at the Ministry of Defense, and his prime minister Nuri al-Said whose body was dragged on the streets of Baghdad by an automobile until it crumbled into pieces. It was in Iraq where General Abd al-Karim Qasim was shot in 1966, and where his corpse was shown on Iraqi television.
In 1957, throngs of Iraqis wildly cheered the royal regent, Crown Prince Abdul Illah. At one ceremony opening a Tigris River bridge, they lifted his Bentley car on their shoulders in adulation. A year later, they shot the crown prince, dragged him through the streets of Baghdad on ropes, and hung him to eviscerate his corpse.
First broadcast said that Nuri, great friend of the West, had been beaten to death by a mob: "The enemy of God and his master have been killed and are lying in the street." But later broadcasts did not mention the Premier or his fate. Nasser's Middle East News Agency gleefully described the assassination of Crown Prince Abdul Illah: "The people dragged Abdul Illah’s body into the street like that of a dog and tore it limb from limb." Then the mobs burned the body.share
Thank god someone actually gets it.
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Uday and Qusay were monsters, and they died like the animals they were.
Damned right it needed to be on TV.
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"Uday and Qusay were monsters, and they died like the animals they were." -- joewkrolikowski
Ottis Toole was a monster. These guys were egotistical, power indulged a$$wipes who didn't have to be shown slaughtered like that. Just my opinion.
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"Ottis Toole was a monster. These guys were egotistical, power indulged a$$wipes who didn't have to be shown slaughtered like that. Just my opinion. "
I want to be sure I've got this straight.
So if you kill a few people, you're a monster.
Kill thousands, rape hundreds, torture countless, and you're NOT a monster?
I don't get it......
Saddam's recorded death made you lose your faith in humanity? I think if you read about it a little, you might feel better. His executioners were Arab Iraqis, his own people, who had suffered under Baathist rule their entire lives, and rightfully hated Saddam. When I heard the US were going to turn him over to the Iraqis to be executed, it was no surprise that the execution would be exploited.
As far as his sons deaths ... they died as they lived. Like pigs.
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Nah. I feel despair. One day, a leader will emerge, doing great things for his people, then someone of power and influence would want him/her wiped out. This someone will start a campaign against this leader, frame him/her, implicating him/her with all sorts of supposed atrocities that can be compared to the punishments under many other leaders all over the world. He/She will be overthrown then executed on national television, only for our feeble minds to learn that he/she was innocent of crimes against humanity all along.
Soon, we can tune in to executions all over the world on a certain channel. This isn't the movies. We're bringing real, actual deaths into people's homes. Don't anyone think this is wrong?
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Hope? Granted Saddam did some very, very bad things. However a man on the end of the rope does not bring hope. Death and justice are not the same thing.
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Uday, Qusay and Saddam Hussein got exactly what they deserved, both death and justice. As far as how horrible it is to have shown their bodies on television, it is not horrible at all. We see films of the Holocaust all the time, just watch the History Channel, and it needs to be shown to make people not forget what happened. Unfortunately, there are actually people, such as the Iranian President, who continue to deny that the Holocaust happened. As said by a previous poster, people want to see things in order to believe it. I have never seen a flying saucer and every person I know can tell me they exist but until I see one myself I will continue to not believe in them. The same can be said for bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, chupacabra, ghosts, the yeti and all other sorts of creepy crawlies and unexplained things.
Every one in the world with a rational mind knows that the Husseins got what they deserved, probably less. Showing them on television was necessary to prove that they were dead.
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For what Saddam and his sons did during their torture of Iraq and it's citizens for 20+ years they deserved to be made an example of on video in a public forum. Hell if it was up to me I would've broadcasted it live on CNN, ABC, CBS, Al-Jazeera, friggin' MTV even. For what those dogs did in their time they don't deserve any iota whatsover of dignity or humanity.
In a perfect world they shoulda been tortured using all the sick methods that they utilized against the citizens of Iraq during their reign of madness.
That being said, those bodies were not of Saddam's sons, they were 2 other men...do your research. Those were just "trophy" photos put together for media purposes.
OP your psychotic old ways will either be the downfall of humanity, or will be eradicated for our salvation. You disgust me completely. You barely deserve to breath the air of this planet, and definitely can not call yourself a man. You are the enemy of reason and justice. You are the heart of what some call evil.
While you mourn a couple scumbags being shown on TV, the crimes they committed, the lives they destroyed can never be rectified, but you don't cry for those people, because you are an animal, and you can only lash out. Oh but what about the Americans? Either there is justice or there isn't, pointing out something entirely different doesn't change the situation. Whether or not there was justification to invade Iraq is irrelevant to whether or not it is an atrocity to show a scumbag psycho fear mongering murderer rapist on TV.
You lose your faith in humanity because a few evil people are denounced visually? But their crimes are completely cool with you and you just love humanity otherwise? Hang yourself like your idol.
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You really expected something different? You 'lost faith' in humanity and say we have gone astray? Strange. All of this stuff has happened before. Mussolini's body was shown hanging upside down after the war. Executions of war criminals were filmed after WW2. Hell the entire war in Iraq is pretty small and tame compared to say - WW2. While the violence there now is bad - the world used to be a lot worse. People should be shown what is happening no matter how bloody or disturbing it is. If everyone saw it they might be a bit less willing to join in.
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