Why Change the Story???


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Why change the story of the award-winning trilogy? It baffles me how TV and Film production works.
--Why entangle Lex Luthor in this? Wasn't it more disturbing for the monster to just come up, out of the blue, for no reason other than bad luck? Must there always be a block-headed moral lesson?
--Why exclude the JLA? Didn't it make Doomsday all the more lethal, watching him tear through them like tissue paper? Was there a licencing issue?
--What's all this immoral horseplay with Lane? That sure isn't how ma and pa raised Clark.
--Why only feature Doomsday in the first 20 minutes then forget all about him...isn't he the co-star, here?
--Why replace the "four Supermen" with that one boring clone? Haven't we seen enough evil clone plots, already???

They never learn, do they?

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Amen! I was thinking the same thing.

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Having sex is immoral? I highly doubt that ma and pa didn't want Clark to ever have sex.

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1 - Because the original story is too big to fit into one film and this is simply inspired by it, not meant to be the comic to the letter.

2- Lex Luthor is the most recognizable Superman villain. A lot of people not familiar with the comics will be watching this. They need to provide a villain the audience can already care about to some extent.

And the monster did kind of come up out of the blue. Yes, he was discovered by Lex's team, but it was a total freak thing that there happened to be Doomsday down there. Lex isn't directly responsible for him, and there was no "moral" involved with that aspect of the story at all. Not sure what you're getting at.

3 - JLA isn't in it because it'd be superfluous and would cut down on the time. This is a Superman movie with only 75 minutes of story time. Best not to drag tons of other heroes in to steal the spotlight. Yes, seeing Doomsday beat the crap out of them was cool in the comics, but it's not in any way integral to the story. This film still shows that Doomsday is merciless and nearly unstoppable without the JLA battle.

4 - Two people in love being intimate with one another is not immoral in any way.

5 - Doomsday is not the co-star, the film's title is Superman: Doomsday, not Superman AND Doomsday. It's not about the two of them palling around for an hour. Doomsday is a plot device. That's all he ever was. "How do we kill Superman?" He's the answer to that. The film's story is the death, mourning, and return of Superman. Doomsday is in act 1, the death, and that's the ONLY part he needs to be in. Even in the original comics, he was only part of the beginning of a very large story.

In fact, I don't think they even refer to him by name in the movie.

6 - Again, the story would have gotten messy trying to include the 4 other Supermen. Given your distaste for clones, you wouldn't have liked Superboy anyway. Also, the clone Superman in the film is not necessarily evil, just Superman without the moral center and human side, as he's been taught by Luthor.

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I freely admit I'm not a regular reader of the current comics, though with Lois and Clark being married for the past decade plus, what I'm about to say isn't affected by my lack of knowledge of the current comics:

For thousands of years, most societies have considered pre or extra marital sex as immoral, even if the two parties are in love.

The only other "official" outlet we've seen Clark do such a thing is in Superman 2. (Tom De Haven's "It's Superman" Novel is not "official.") So, please understand that for a cartoon, even though it's rated PG13 and violent, to be pretty blatant in showing the Supes and Lois are screwing is a bit jarring to us long time fans. It isn't something Clark has done and seems totally out of character for a character who has always been better than us all.

I don't begrudge Superman his feelings, but I was shocked to see 7 decades of character history thrown out the window in a children's cartoon.

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I agree, why change the story.

I think that this story was worthy of a 10 part series. Sure they would have to make it late night TV, but I believe it would have been more beneficial to do this, after all it is a made for TV/DVD movie.

It may have cost a substantial amount more to make, but with some of the crappy shows they have on now they could have done this.

Or if they had no choice but to make a movie then why not break them up into 3 movies, Would have covered the majority, (if not all) of the story in the books, and if timed correctly between movies could have raised high expectations to a point that could have surpassed everyones beliefs.

Although I did enjoy Superman Doomsday, I thought it was a good movie, I just think that it could have been sooo much better.

Thank you, I hope you enjoyed reading my opinion, No disrespect to Bruce Timm either I think he did a fabulous job with Batman: The Animated series in the mid nineties.

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the reason why they cant do that is that they need a large group of people who have not read to the comic to buy this and if u break it up most will not want to but 3 different DVD's.
who have to remember this is not just for the comic fans but the whole superman fan base many of which do not read comics.

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I heard a lot about how the comic book saga is epic and great and how this movie, which I found quite good doesn't do it justice, so i got the original saga and I'm reading it currently (got to the part when Superman died)and I have to say it's cheesy as hell. It' a run-of-the mill, trashy 90s comic book with no depth whatsoever. It may be my problem cos I expected something like Watchmen, but all in all the comic is actually WORSE than this cartoon!

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The first volume was terrific. The second was decent. The third was down-right dreadful. And I say that as a longtime comic fan.

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If I cannot smoke cigars in heaven, I shall not go!

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i think the death of superman saga is a product of it's time - i was epic when it was published, but is dated now. however it can still be appreciated for the plot and a menacing villain. it does have depth, but only if you had been reading superman and had an affection for the character.

i have just started watching this, and apart from finding the artistic style rather unattractive - what is the deal with those weird cheekbones - i am really taken aback at the dynamic between lois and clark/superman. i have no problem with them being in a sexual relationship (although it is worth noting that the comics never showed them in bed together until they were married), but the idea that superman would have sex with lois before revealing his true identity is really out of character. in the comics he is in a relationship with wonder woman now and of course, he told his name before he screwed her brains out. i also got the impression from the comics that lois has far too much self respect to regularly put out for some guy that doesn't trust her enough to tell her his name. i mean, how do you label a relationship like that? they aren't acting like friends with benefits, or casual hook ups or a couple in love. it is just odd and awkward. far better to have just shown her knowing he is clark from the outset of the movie imo.

edit: ok, i've finished the movie and i agree with the op: this would have been more suitable either as a 2 parter or incorporated into the superman animated series, as the death seemed rushed. i would have liked to have seen the founding jla included, with perhaps diana out of the picture (say off world on another assignment) and getting crushed before the main event. i thought the clone story was poorly handled as well. all in all, a disappointment.


before we get started, does anyone want to get out?

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I'll admit, I haven't read the comic the movie was based on, so my opinion is purely as an outsider, made worse by the fact that I've never really liked Superman as a character because I've always felt he had too many powers and only one weakness, so if there's no Kryptonite around I know he's never in real danger.

Although the movie isn't perfect, I did really enjoy it for the fact that Superman is weakened for the much of it and he has to battle a clone version of himself that's at full power.

This dynamic created a real sense of danger that the traditional character has always lacked and I was actually worried Superman might die (again).

Revenge is the most important meal of the day.

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"One word.....MONEY!!!!! When movie execs turn a comic book, novel, TV show, or video game into a movie, they don't give a rat's @$$ about pleasing the fans. "

Right, and I guess making money was absolutely NOT the intent of the creators of all the original comic books, novels, tv shows, and video games that get translated into films later, right? No, I guess those were only there for people's entertainment and nothing else!

The original Death of Superman comics are just as guilty of being made for money as this film, and then some.

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He's right. Differences are made to appeal to wider audiences. Thus, bringing in more money from the comic book fans, and those not familiar with the comic book altogether. Don't get me wrong. The comics made money, too. But not everyone reads comics. More people are into movies than comics. Movies bring in more money, you know. As for comics alone, either some people aren't into that stuff, but they like the actual superhero in it, or they just find a bit too geeky... I dunno.

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How exactly do you back up saying that the changes were only done for the sake of money? Please back that up and maybe then I can agree, but until then I think the changes were made only for the sake of effectively telling the story in a shorter amount of time. I think the money aspect of it is a ridiculous thing to bring up, of course they want to the DVD to sell, of COURSE they want a lot of people to see and enjoy it, it's a given!

That's true of every single form of merchandise on the market. Every comic book, every novel, every video game, every action figure, etc etc etc. Despite this though, I don't see how the changes in this film from the original comics necessarily make it any more marketable or whatever. Is the fact that it's different even part of the advertising? Not really. If that were made as some huge selling point, then maybe I could agree, but as it is, the changes are just part of creative freedom and necessary editing due to the massive time constraint.

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I'm sorry. I forgot to say you were partially right. Or, somewhat right. Better?

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Lex Luthor is a huge part of the Superman saga. True, he's not always the villain, but he always has to have some kind of presence in Superman's world, whether it be directly or indirectly. One of the most powerful moments of the original DOS comic was when Lex says "He was mine to kill!" or something to that affect.

I was willing to give you whatever life you wanted...just to keep you out of mine!

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One good reason to exclude the JLA(aside from the fact that this IS a Superman movie) is that I don't think Doomsday would have done as well against the "real" JLA( Wonder Woman,Batman,Green Lantern,Flash,Martian Manhunter,Zatanna and Black Canary) as he did against the "current" JLA at the time he was introduced(Blue Beetle,Booster Gold,Fire,Ice,Guy Gardner,Maxima and Martian Manhunter disguised as Bloodwynd).

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Also even though WB owns DC, they still have to pay for the rights of every character that they use, this is why only Perry, Lois, Superman, Lex, oyman etc. were used, because they are all old school Superman characters, so adding Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Fire, Ice, etc. might of made it where WB had to hand out a little more $$ for their rights. My biggest problem is everyone says that it is outside The Cartoons continuity, but even though the characters look diffrent me as a viewer find it all to be in the same continuity

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its not the same continuity since in JLU they had a doomsday story arc where they destroyed his character as well, so no its not the same continuity

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I actually felt that the one evil clone embodied the four supermen.

Well maybe not so much steel, but the other three.

It took the clone idea from superboy. It took the initial reasoning and logic from eradicator and then slowly twisted it into a more cyborg feel right before the confrontation. Maybe steel appears a little in the first appearance of the clone.

So really while I would have preferred a different route. I think they all were there in spirit. :)

though its been awhile since I read the comics, but that's how I felt watching this.

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I think that at the very least they should have shown other super heroes reacting to hearing the news that superman died. I mean in the comic even Lobo found out about it. Or they should have had other superheroes show up to the funeral.

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The comic book version of the death was way better in my opinion. They should have done 2 movies, one of the death and the very beginning of the 4 supermen and then another with the 4 supermen and then how the real superman came back.

This movie was alright but just not even close to the comics. Even the novel adapted from the death of superman series was way better. It actually followed the comic story almost to the letter.

What a waste...

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*IRONY ALERT*

BECAUSE IT'D BE FIVE HOURS LONG....!
This is NOT the death of Superman, it it had of been it would have required way too much exposition...
Also the Death Of Superman series was dull as dishwater, The JLA lineup was the crapppiest in it's history and it went on FOOOORFECKINGEVER...
Yes, it could have been two movies, but seriously how many non-comics fans are gonna buy two movies?
NO, THIS IS A GOOD MOVIE!
And it should be seen AS A MOVIE...
If this was a live action movie, there'd be no complaints, if Kevin Smith had made this movie as Superman Lives there'd be no complaints...
Now lets get together as comic fans and do something positive and get Flash Gordon cancelled so someone can do a proper adaptation!

*END OF IRONY*

Superman Returns was not a good movie, but if the first half our of that script had the script for Doomsday tacked on it, it would have been awesome, Brandon Routh would have actually been able to do a bit of acting, not to say I didn't like him, I thought he did a valiant job doing the impossible task of taking over from the late, great Christopher Reeve...

But 'Returns could have done with a spectacular Doomsday battle followed by a clone Supes, but all we got was THAT DAMN KID!

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I agree that they deviated too much from the comics to the point where there was no point in even making this. I disagree with you a bit though. I don't have any problem with Lois and Clark's sex life and I don't have any problem with them not including the Justice League. IF anything these are examples of the type of additions and subtractions that are okay to make and make the story function better. But they screwed up a lot more often with the changes. The clone is a problem because he's as powerful as superman. If Lex can just clone superman why doesn't he do it more often, why no brainiac or other villains with advanced technology? I mean, it seems like if it were all that easy, that within 17 days of his death Lex could make a clone with all his powers then he'd be able to make one that really was his slave or eventually give himself powers. Having the possibility of making more than one superman out there is just too dangerous. I also didn't like the animation in some spots. In this are they pretty much got it right except for THE MAIN CHARACTERS! Everyone else was fine. Except for supes, lois, and lex. What were with the lines on superman's face? It wouldn't be that big of a deal except I couldn't pay attention to what what going on in the scene because the lines would distract me. That's all they are, a distraction. Lose them and the movie becomes incredibly better. I think why it makes me so angry is that its such a small detail yet it manages to cause so much harm to the movie. Lois just didn't seem to look like a real woman, she looked like the e-surance lady, but I would have been able to deal with it without superman's lines. Since When does Lex look like the guy from street fighter who can stretch his arms and legs? It just irked me. I don't see why this movie couldn't have been 20-40 minutes longer and then had the four supermen instead of the clone and maybe superman could have been dead for longer than 5 minutes. Just a thought.

"... I'm as experienced as a palsy victim giving brain surgery with a pipe wrench." - Hartigan

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lex didnt do it more often because he needed clark to die before he could get a sample of his DNA. and he tried to make a whole army of them but was stopped before they got 100%

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well, why not rebuild?

"... I'm as experienced as a palsy victim giving brain surgery with a pipe wrench." - Hartigan

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he might have lost the sample or he will rebuild after the movie ended. could also not want to seeing that the 1st one turned on him and even got pass the control device lex had

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