A Biblical Inaccuracy


One part of the movie that is not biblically accurate is the scene where the sheriff is searching for the kids. He prays to God, but prefaces it with, "I don't even know if I believe in You," and then suddenly God "answers" his prayer. From a biblical standpoint, God does not answer the prayers of unbelievers, nor does He answer prayers that are not prayed with faith.

Also, God does not speak directly to mankind but has spoken through His word, the Bible. So these two messages: that God answers prayers of unbelievers and speaks directly through man are inaccurate.

Still, the movie was good :)

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I don't believe that's true. If it were true, then Marty, in the first movie, would have never gotten an answer to her prayer. She didn't believe in God, either, at the beginning, but later on becomes a believer and a Christian. At least that's the way it happens in the book.


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I have to disagree with you on both points. Yes God speaks to us through the Bible but I also believe his speaks to us today. I firmly believe God is active in my life and in what I do and not just in his written Word. He may not answer all my prayers because it may not be according to His will. If you listen and look, you see God's answers even to the prayers you do not make.

If God does not speak to unbelievers as well as believers, how do you get them to believe? You can show them God's word in the Bible, but if God didn't speak to them in their lives then how would you show a nonbeliever how God is a part of their lives? Remember we are all created in God's image. Believers and nonbelievers alike. It was His son, Jesus, who spoke to the Gentiles (non believers) as well as the Jews. Yes, God speaks to us whether we believe or not, you just have to listen and open your heart to hear God's word. The fact that the sheriff prayed, showed he had some belief in his heart but maybe not his head just yet.

Well, that's my 2 cents.

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Well, here's my 2 cents :)

Kimbop was right, Jesus does not hear the prayers of unbelievers, and you would know this if you read your KJV Bible. Also, bringing unbelievers to salvation is a whole other story. The Holy Spirit convict's peoples hearts to be saved, that's not necessarily speaking to them. God doesn't physically speak to anyone.

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Who the hell reads the KJV? That particular Bible is NOT accurate. The only people that use those Bibles anymore are un-educated Pentecostal preachers and their congregation.

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Actually, a lot of people besides Pentecostal's read the King James. It is MORE ACCURATE than other versions and is written on an 8th grade reading level. Also, dyslexics have a hard time reading any other version, a phd. proven fact.

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The KJV is the least read and most difficult to understand English version of the Bible. If you don't realize that the Lord speaks DIRECTLY to the hearts of believers, then you have not been listening to Him. He loves you and wants a close personal relationship with you. He is not a far-off distant being stirring the "world-events" cauldron watching you. He desires a relationship and part of that relationship is communication.

I pray that you listen to Him and hear Him when He speaks.

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In the movie, we are led to believe that it was God speaking through Missy when she spoke up to take Belinda into her home, and again when Belinda cried out so that the sheriff could hear her. Perhaps the author is not intending to say that God literally spoke, but that the individuals were "guided" in some way by God. Either way, the Scriptures do not support those ideas. The Bible teaches that God revealed His word through inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that word was confirmed with miracles and signs (i.e. Hebrews 2:3-4). We have the completed revelation today, and the Bible is what guides us (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

You asked, "If God does not speak to unbelievers as well as believers, how do you get them to believe?" The Bible answers that question: "How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, 'How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, who bring glad tidings fo good things!' But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, 'Lord, who has believed our report?' So then FAITH COMES BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD" (Romans 10:14-17). Paul also wrote in Romans that he is not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the "power of God to salvation for everyone who believes" (1:16).

God answers prayers in many ways: with a "yes," "no," or "not yet," for example. But the Scriptures teach that God does not hear the prayers of sinners. The word "hear" means answer or act upon. "And we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, he hears him" (John 9:31). When the sheriff prayed, he was not a Christian - not even a believer. His prayer was one of, "I don't know think you exist, but if you do, please hear me." Expecting God to hear a prayer in that situation is contrary to what the Bible teaches.

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Well said. :)

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"And we know that God does not hear sinners"

Would you like to claim to not have sinned in the past? To not be sinning now, today, in the past week or month. I think that you should be very careful about these bold statements you're saying.

I really belive that God wants US to reach out to him like the sheriff did through a prayer of great faith. Once we do that, then God will respond to us. How dare you limit God to the Bible!! You don't belive that God speaks today?? I encourage you to pray, and ask God to reveal himself to you in a more real and applicable way today. If you keep your eyes and ears open, you will be amazed at what you find.

I found Love's Unending Legacy an inspiring movie about how God works. He brought Missy to the church at the perfect time, to pick the perfect child. Then God sofened a child's heart and reunited a broken family.

In response to what you said about the sheriff being a sinner and God not responding...It seemed to imply in an earlier scene that the sheriff used to be a Christian man, but after his love died, fell away from God. THerefore he was already saved, and would then be considered a "lost sheep" which by the bible would constitute Jesus sheperding him back home to the rest of the flock, which is what plays out in the movie.

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I'm not the one who said, "God does not hear sinners." That's what John, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote in John 9:31. To understand what John is referring to by "sinner," you must read the entire verse: "...but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him." A sinner would be someone who is just the opposite - one who is not a worshiper of God and one who does not obey God. If you are unhappy with this statement, you will have to take it up with God because it did not originate with me.

<<<<<How dare you limit God to the Bible!! You don't belive that God speaks today??>>>>

I believe what the Scriptures say. Yes, God does speak to us today....through His inspired word, completed revelation - the Bible. I answered this concern with what the Bible says. Please use the Scriptures to support your belief that God speaks to us today outside of the Scriptures.

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I agree with mloliver72: God does speak to nonbelievers. Afterall, weren't you a nonbeliever before you became a believer? (I am assuming you are.)

In the Bible, before he was the Apostle Paul, Saul was notorious for being a persecuter of Christ. Christ met him on the road to Damascus and said, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" This led to his conversion. He was not a believer before he saw Christ or heard his voice.

...And that reference you used in the Bible to back what you were saying (John 9:31), reread that carefully. The blind man that was healed was using a mocking tone to the Pharisees who had themselves said that God does not listen to sinners.

You should really be more careful of what you write here in the public message boards.

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<<<<God does speak to nonbelievers. Afterall, weren't you a nonbeliever before you became a believer? (I am assuming you are.)>>>

Yes, God DOES speak to non-believers through His word - the Bible. Go back and read my message, and read Romans 10:14-17 which I quoted in my message.

>>>>The blind man that was healed was using a mocking tone to the Pharisees who had themselves said that God does not listen to sinners.<<<

Where do you get the idea that the healed man was using a "mocking tone"? Go back and read the entire account. Jesus healed the blind man in chapter 9. The Pharisees argued that Jesus could not have done this because He was supposedly a "sinner" for not keeping the Sabbath (vs. 16). The Pharisees argued with the healed man about whether or not Jesus was a sinner. The healed man reminded the Pharisees that God does not hear sinners (vs. 31) - something repeated under the old law in Zechariah 7:12-13 (...."they would not hear, so they called out, and I would not listen, says the Lord of hosts.") The healed man concluded that since God does not hear sinners, Jesus could not have been a sinner or He would not have been able to heal him: "If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing" (vs. 33).


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LOL...don't tell my dad that God doesn't speak to people today.
About 34 years ago he went to church with my mom just to bug her.
He heard an audible voice say "Tonight you live or die".
He got saved that night & is a Pastor of a church & a terrific dad!
And even if he never speaks aloud to me...he speaks to my heart...he still speaks!

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Amen to that Ginger b lady! We may not hear God's word in our ears but we do hear it in our hearts.


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Ginger,

I believe the Bible is God's inspired word, just as it claims to be. I believe Paul when he says that "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16-17). If the inspired word of God is profitable for all this AND "thoroughly equips" man with all he needs to be complete and accomplish every good work, why would revelation apart from God's word be necessary? It's not!

Paul also said that faith comes by hearing the word of God in Romans 10:17. The context shows that this is not talking about hearing God speak directly but rather hearing the word elsewhere ("And how shall they hear without a preacher?" - vs. 14).

Many people today claim that God speaks directly to them in an audible voice; however, what God supposedly tells one person often contradicts what He tells another person. God doesn't contradict himself.

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Ok I usually just read what you all write and sit and chuckle. Some of the things you all discuss is borderline completely silly!!! This time, well, let me put it to you like this: Be very careful what you say and how you say it!! There are people who read this who are not born again Christians!! People who do not have a personal relationship with Christ! I know this because I have read what an athiest has written! And for that matter if you are reading this I don't believe you are an athiest or you would not be watching this movies. You are searching for something, you just don't know what it is yet!! Back to the subject at hand. We are to be witnesses to all who are in this world and telling someone who is not a believer that God wont listen to them is no way to get them to Christ! That is why I am telling you to be careful here.
So that you understand a little about me. I am a preacher's daughter and a preacher's wife. This is not the life that I had planned for my life but one that God has chosen for me. I would not have it any other way. Some day I may write a book about this type of life. I must say that I am not your typical PK or PW. Basically because this is the only life I have ever known. I do my best to understand people and be at their level. (hope you understand what I mean and not take that the wrong way)
We are all sinners!! It doesn't matter if you are a born again Christian or not! We have no idea where people are in their life. We have no right to assume someone has not had a relationship with Christ at some point in their life or not. Only God knows someone's heart and it is not for you or I to judge. If you do this to a character in a movie, what are you doing to someone in real life? God is with us all! If you will stop and listen to the small sweet voice of God, you will have peace. We are so busy in our daily lives that many of us have forgotten to do that. He speaks to us in a multitude of ways. Thru scriptures, thru the beauty of what He has created, even thru a small child telling you that he or she loves you. Don't put limits on what God can do!!
Also, I really didn't care for the comment about the KJV of the Bible. As long as you are reading the Holy Bible, it does not matter what version you are reading from. You read the one that you understand. Yes I grew up reading the KJV but it is not the language I speak in. It is much easier to read the NIV. Yes, I am also a Bible College Graduate, and I do cross reference all of the versions when I am studying.
I am not trying to step on anyones toes at all or get anyone made at me but instead hoping that I get you all thinking about what you write. I am at work on my planning period. I do not have my Bible with me or else I would have used it. Having discussions are great and arguing is not an option. I am just asking you to be careful. You don't want to be the one the makes someone completely turn their back on a wonderful God that they may not know!!!

dscc
God does hear sinners because we are all sinners.

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I'm not sure this is in response to me or not because I never said anything about a particular version of the Bible. ??

If you are responding to me, then I feel like I'm talking to myself. I have used the Bible to support my position, yet you completely ignore those passages when you make your emotional arguments in this recent message. Do you believe what the Bible says or do you believe in what you "feel"?

You make a lot of assertions about God in this message that are no where supported in the Scriptures. If you are unable to present the Scriptures because you are at work, go home and gather the passages that teach what you are saying and post them later. If you cannot reason from the word of God, I cannot discuss this with you because the BIBLE (not my opinion or feelings) is the standard by which I measure truth.

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I have no problem with that at all. By the way they are not assertions about God. And you miss the point of what I was saying. Instead of getting your feathers all ruffled please hear what I am saying!

God is Bigger than you or I!! All things are possible thru Christ! You know that. Don't take scripture out of context! Look at the whole passages you are quoting! All I was saying was to be careful not to turn a non-believer from not wanting to know Christ. Choose your words wisely.

Obviously I stepped on your toes. That was not my intensions. Give me a day or two and I will do as you asked. It may be long so be prepared.

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Show me how I'm taking Scripture out of context. No, you didn't step on my toes nor are my "feathers ruffled." I'm simply asking you to use the Scriptures to support what you are saying.

P.S. Non believers are not turned away by those who teach what the Bible teaches. They either accept God's word or don't based on the condition of their heart (Matthew 13).

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I could be wrong but I was always led to believe that Marty and the Sheriff had lost faith. It wasnt that they were "nonbelievers" but that circumstance (the loss of a husband and a loved one) had led them away from God and ultimately it was God's intervention that led them back to him. Like I said I could be wrong but thats the impressiion I got from it.

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We are all sinners -- you, me, all of us. The only one without sin was Christ. You can worship God and still be a sinner. We are at the same time saints and sinners. We do good, we have faith, we worship God, and yet at the same time we sin. We judge others, we have bad thoughts, we tell little lies, speed on occassion -- those are all sins. Yes, I am a sinner and you know what? God hears me. He sent his son as the ultimate sacrifice to free us of our sins.

Matthew was considered a sinner since he was a tax collector and yet he was a disciple of Christ. As Inthecloud said, Paul was a sinner and killed Christians before becoming an apostle of Christ.




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Yes, all sin; however, you fail to make a distinction between those who are separated from God by their sins (sinners), and those who are serving God but occasionally fall. Otherwise, who is the healed man referring to in John 9:31 -"Now we know that God does not hear sinners"?

Explain Romans 6:1-2: "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?"

How about Romans 6:5-6: "For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should NO LONGER BE SLAVES TO SIN?"

Continue with verses 12-18. A distinction is being made between being a slave of sin vs. a slave of righteousness.

Don't confuse being a "sinner" (one who is a slave to sin) with sinning.

P.S. Being a tax collector is not what made Matthew a "sinner." Tax collecting isn't a sin.

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But, arn't we all sinners?

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There are some comments I'd like to make about your assertions:

1. You wrote: "God does not speak directly to mankind but has spoken through His word, the Bible."
-----It's clear you have a difference of belief on HOW God speaks to us today but to say that what you say is absolute truth is, at the least, overly confident. Theologians and Bible scholars themselves debate on that very question, but agree that there is a difference of perspective. To come on a public message board and declare something as absolute when denominations have formed over that very issue is not wise in the least. You disagree with the majority of us posters. Okay, let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. There are Pentocosts, Presbyterians, Methodists, Charismatics, and the list goes on.

2. You also state that "God answer(ing) the prayers of unbelievers... (is) inaccurate." You also wrote on another post that God does not speak to unbelievers.
-----You never responded to my example of Apostle Paul. He was a sinner of sinners before he came to Christ. He murdered Christians. If we just take parts of the Bible that are convenient for us to accept, then we are at great fault. If you are so firm in your belief of the Bible, where does it say that what/how God spoke in Christ's time doesn't apply today? Can you give me a verse for that?

Joyce Meyer writes:
"God has spoken to ALL people in their inner consciousness, through creation of the natural world and through creating within man an inner void that only God can fill." (emphasis, mine)

I agree with you that our senses are dulled when our hearts are not open to God and it is harder to "hear" from God (whether through the Bible, through experience, through others, ...) but God can turn around the hardest of hearts.

3. And your comment on faith -- You said God does not answer the prayer not offered in faith. Faith does provide a channel that God can work through... BUT...our faith is never perfect.
Mark 9:24, the father of the possessed boy exclaimed, "'I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!'" The NIV Study Notes states, "...faith is never perfect., belief and unbelief are often mixed."
Faith does provide that channel, but God is not limited by it. When we pray for others (believers or not), they may have NO faith whatsoever but it may be our faith that helps them "hear" from God.

I really do not like getting into religious debates on these forums but I just felt that what you were putting out there was so off-base and overly confident. I've heard of Christians disagreeing about style of worship, how God speaks to us today, etc. But never have I heard someone argue that God does not speak to nonbelievers or hear their prayers. If that's the case, then we are all truly lost and without any hope at all.

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Throughout the Bible, we read how God communicated with mankind in various ways. In Hebrews 1:1, the writer sums that up pretty well: “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son….”

During the time the New Testament books were being inspired and written, the disciples did not have a complete revelation like we do today. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 13:9-10, “For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.” That which is “in part” is contrasted with that which is “perfect” or complete (which is what the original Greek word translated “perfect” means). Today we have the completed or “perfect” revelation or knowledge of God through the collective inspired writings we call the Bible.

So how do I know that Jesus doesn’t speak to us today like He did then? He doesn’t have to because 1) we have the completed revelation now, and 2) the written word is described as that which “profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-27). If the Scriptures do all that, what would additional revelation (by God or Christ directly to each individual) add to what we already have? If the Scriptures provide what man needs to be complete, why do we need something else? And if God speaks directly to us as individuals, how do you account for all the contradictions? Does God contradict himself?

You wrote, “But never have I heard someone argue that God does not speak to nonbelievers or hear their prayers.” I posted a quote from the Bible in which John writes that God does not hear sinners. Why do you ignore that verse? I think you misunderstood my comment regarding God’s communication with unbelievers. I will repeat myself one more time: John wrote, “Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him” (John 9:31). The Bible says that God does not hear sinners. You say God does. I believe the Bible over man every time. I think it’s important to understand two things mentioned in this verse: what does “hear” mean and what is a “sinner”? “Hear” is not referring to God’s ability to hear with His ears what the sinner says. “Hear” in this context means to answer (see Zechariah 7:13). If God hears the one who worships and obeys Him, but doesn’t hear the “sinner,” the sinner would be the one who does NOT worship God and does NOT obey Him.

God DOES communicate to the sinner – through His inspired word. Paul said that the gospel is God’s power unto salvation. The gospel message is written in the inspired word of God. Paul also wrote that faith comes from hearing the word of God (Romans 10:17). The word of God is how a sinner comes to know God and to obtain faith.

Paul had a direct conversation with Jesus. This does not apply to us. See above.

You quoted Joyce Meyers. I chose to follow the inspired word of God rather than man’s word.

My comment regarding “asking in faith” was specific to the storyline in the movie in which the sheriff begins his prayer to God with, “I don’t even know if I believe in you.” The Bible certainly addresses the importance of “asking in faith” (see James 1:6-8); however, I’m referring to someone who confesses to be an unbeliever asking something of someone he doesn’t even believe in! James says that a man asking without faith should not “suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord.”

If you want to continue this discussion, you can email me. But I don’t see any purpose in doing so unless we can reason from the Scriptures alone and avoid quoting man’s commentary to support our beliefs.

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So we should ignore commentaries by Bible scholars, theologians, pastors, and such because it is "man's" and go on your commentary or your interpretation of Scripture? What you fail to see is that it is your interpretation.

Ex. Your use of 1 Cor.13 does not support your premise. You are using it to make it fit your argument. Neither does your use of James 1.

Anyone can quote Scripture here, but you will say it is wrong, and reinterpret it to fit your case. Even Satan (mis)quoted Scripture when tempting Christ. Show me a commentary written to support what you say (besides your interpretation). It'll be like finding a needle in a haystack.


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IntheCloud: You continue to tell me that I'm wrong, yet you offer no argument to support your claim. For example, HOW have I misued 1 Corinthians 13 and James 1? Telling me I have is easy. Demonstrating it takes more of an effort.

It has become obvious that we do not view the Bible in the same light. I know the Bible is God's inspired word and sufficient for all our needs, just as THE BIBLE (not me)claims it is. You apparently do not believe this. In that case, we have no common standard to use in our discussion. Therefore, the discussion must end.

P.S. You do realize that commentaries are man's "interpretation" of what the Scriptures say? I can produce a commentary that supports what I've posted, but could you not claim, "Well, that's just THEIR interpretation!"? So when you rely solely on commentaries, preachers, and scholars, you can argue whose interpretation is correct. But when you simply focus on and reason from the Scriptures, you find your answer based on God's word, not man's opinion. Everything must be interpreted, so the "that's your interpretation" argument doesn't hold water.

"There were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received THE WORD with all readiness, and searched THE SCRIPTURES daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

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The critical difference which I stated before is your interpretation versus those who have studied the original Biblical text in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic - Theologians and Biblical scholars. I'll believe the latter, thanks.
You just sound like a young kid who chose a Korean food dish for a name, who is making claims on a public message board--again, some of it just a difference you'll see amongst denominations-- and you don't realize it but you're doing a lot of damage to those who don't know the Bible as a previous poster wrote. So I am here to say that your views don't represent the mainstream evangelical Christians.

Again, you never addressed the Apostle Paul example. I wonder why. Doesn't fit into your assertions?

A recommendation is that you delete your posts, so that you stop the damage. I don't even know why it was brought up in the first place. There are so many more movies not "biblically sound". It wasn't a necessary observation to bring up.

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IntheClouds -- Thank You for stating what I had in my postings.
Kimmmbop --I will do as I told you that I would. IntheClouds is correct!! This is not the place for this. We are to witness to all and arguing about the Bible is not witnessing but turning others who do not know about God away.
Again, that is why I say to be very careful as to what you say! I am going to speak for IntheClouds here and probably many others in saying that we are not trying to gang up on you, that is not (at least my) our purpose. So many no believers read these postings. We need to draw them closer to Christ and not turn them away.

This series lets us all see how precious life is and how important it is to have a personal relationship with God. This series opens a door for those who do not know, understand or who have possibly walked away from God. We don't want to destroy that!!!

I will have the information for you no later than early Sunday morning. I would do it tonite but I am leaving for a Christian Teen Retreat and will not be back until very late this evening.

Please remember GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME!!

You may want to send me your email address because what I will send you may be to large to post. Besides, this discussion is not in its proper place.

dsc

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I don't mind admitting that I'm in my 40s - far from being a "young kid."

I did address your comment regarding Paul.

<<<So I am here to say that your views don't represent the mainstream evangelical Christians.>>>

I'm not here to represent "mainstream Christians" because the majority of professing Christians do not follow the Bible. I am here to follow God's word, the Bible.

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

I see no point in continuing the discussion either here or outside the message board unless you would like to reason from the Scriptures via email.

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I sent you a PM.

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Just a few questions:

Why are you saying God ONLY speaks thru the Bible and NOTHING ELSE?

What about that little voice inside your head that may say things like: "Read you Bible". or "Apologize to the friend you lied to". Or maybe even "Look in Ezekial."

Please don't say, "It's just your conciense!" or "Coincidence!"

My sister was having a rotten day. Her friend was making unwise choices that could ruin her life. She felt like God was SAYING TO HER (the BIBLE was no where NEAR her) "Look in Ezekial".
And she did, and there was a verse that gave her LOTS of comfort that spoke directly to her about her problem.

Sure, she got some answers from Ezekial, from the BIBLE (might I add, written by man)

But who told her to open that book in the first place?

If your saying God doesn't speak to people unless its thru man-written words in a holy book.....

TRY READING SAMUEL!

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I had to add a little something. I think that Zach wasn't necassrily saying He didn't believe that God was there or that God may not be listening to Him. I think in essence he was saying that his faith was weak. And he was openly admitting it. But I don't believe that Zach could have prayed the prayer he did if he didn't believe. Remember the bible says that where we are weak, He is strong. Even in my own life, my faith has been tried and tested and I have weakened at certain points in my walk with the Lord. And yes at some points I wanted to give up altogether, but God, rich in His love, kept me going even when I was weak. You know in the almost 12 twelve years I've been a Christian, I've gone through some really tough times and made some really stupid mistakes. I've done a lot of growing during that time and I've come to realize that I may not be where I need to be, but I praise God that I'm not where I used to be. I'm okay and I am on my way. God just wants us to trust Him and trust His love for us. None us were created to be anything or anyone else but the person God created us to be. And just because someone doesn't believe esactly the same as we believe doesn't make them nor us superior to them or anyone else. kimmmbop_98, I don't necassrily agree the things you said, but that's your right to believe what you believe. I do believe that we can all agree to disagree.

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God answers prayers that are sent with a pure heart and has saved many an unbeliever in this fashion.

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