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This movie is racist towards black people


it completely demeans the african american ethnic group

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I am sick and tired of seeing Blacks portrayed in this manner because poverty and hardship has no colour but is afflicted on many in this world -- from all walks of life.

I wish that these Black Film Makers would start broadening their horizon by making films that touches on more universal topics. The same way that it is accepted by society that a White film maker can make a film about espionage, terrorism, war, and such -- it's time for Black film makers to start doing the same. They need to branch out on their topics so that no particular group becomes singled out and typecast. Blacks are not the only ones who are poor in America and this should be made clear by Black Film Makers. They seem to have a one-track mind -- and in the process they are helping to promote a negative view of a large group of people -- made up of various economic and educational levels -- and relegating them into this tiny box. You cannot box people in like that and not anger people sooner or later.

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That's weird, because when they make a film depicting white people who are poor, you guys say, "This is unrealistic. This should have been about black people."

I want Truth, Reality, Veracity.....not your narrow-minded view on what is or isn't the standard perception of every single black person who ever walked the Earth.

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when they make a film depicting white people who are poor, you guys say, "This is unrealistic. This should have been about black people."

Yeah, that never happens.

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"I wish that these Black Film Makers would start broadening their horizon by making films that touches on more universal topics."

I agree. Martin Scorsese has made many films about Catholicism, Italian Americans, and the mafia, but that's not all he does. It seems like any time a movie about black people (or made by black people) is a hit, it's about the inner city, crime, or domestic abuse. Spike Lee's got the right idea and he makes all sorts of different movies in different genres in addition to films about black culture (that aren't always about criminals).

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I find it weird that you people call them "black film makers" as if it matters.

I don't actually look into a directors ethnicity when I look into a film, do you?

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it's obviously evidence for the defence when a charge of racism against black people is levied against them.

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I agree, black comedians are the same. White comedians can talk about anything and make it comedy, most black comedians just talk about the diff between black folks and white folks

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Black people are not the only poor people in America, but a larger proportion of Black Americans are low income. That comes from racism, not this film itself.

Secondly, it's based on a book, written by a black woman, which is her perspective of being black.

Has Sapphire said that the film's interpretation is racist? not that I've read.

It seems more like you're ashamed to be associated with poverty because of the colour of your skin, than the film is really saying 'all black people are poor' - because it's not.

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Nailed it Obby.

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I wish that these Black Film Makers would start broadening their horizon by making films that touches on more universal topics.

There are loads of films about middle-class black people if you know where to look for them. Mainstream movie-goers often don't know about them because they're usually labelled as "black films" and will typically have a smaller budget.
The problem isn't so much with black film makers as it is with white America not being ready to accept stories about middle-class black people.

As your post was written two years ago, I'd like to think things are changing on that front. I suspect they haven't yet though.

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"The problem isn't so much with black film makers as it is with white America not being ready to accept stories about middle-class black people"

Oh for Pete's sake, we've got "Soul Food", "For Colored Girls", "Pariah", "Save the Last Dance", "After Earth" as the poster after me pointed out, not to mention films with a group of main characters like "Grand Canyon".

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@Yah

Obviously you don't watch a lot of black films, because all of them aren't about life in the ghetto and all that. There are already a lot of black filmmakers making other things. Go to the site Shadow and Act and look them up. And, honestly, the OP's statement is ridiculous, and just plain stupid,since it was black people who made this film---do all films about black people have to show us as perfect all the time? Hell no! Black people should be portrayed onscreen with as much range and complexity as possible.

And it's not black filmmakers that have a one-track mind---it's Hollywood that has always had a one-track mind when it comes to promoting black films---they will only promote the stereotypical kind, or anything by Tyler Perry, since his films are proven money makers--period. Black indie filmmakers don't get their work pushed as much as white indie filmmakers do, and that's the truth.

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Kane speaks the truth that movie was deplorable.

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It's demeaning because the movie doesn't really offer anything more than shock value. Monique dropping TVs, smelling her armpits, throwing frying pans, dropping TVs, a baby named Mongo... It's too much. All we get is a flimsy plot about an "alternative school" that's apparently free and has class sizes that consist of five or six kids. It's also okay to smack fellow students when they call you fat without any consequence for either kid. Feels like exploitation, smells like exploitation, looks like exploitation... I'm not denying that some people live like this, but I have to imagine it's more interesting and thought provoking than what this movie gives us.

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Realism is racist?


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Showing that an American has determination and perseverance to succeed and make a better life is racist?

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That's funny, I didn't think this film was racist toward black people. I actually think that people that constantly think everything is racist, are probably more racist themselves. I wasn't even thinking about how this is just another film about poor ghetto black people in Harlem; I was thinking about how sad the life of this poor young girl was... Maybe you can open up your mind and re-evaluate the way YOU see things.

Also, to some of the other posters on here: Writers have their own images in their heads and express it on paper, and directors have their own thoughts of what an image should look like and express it through film. Who are you to say how (or what) these writers/directors should be expressing their stories. Especially if it's a story coming from the heart and/or real life experiences.

Remember, this movie is based on a book... here is a quote from the writer of PUSH in an interview:

Interviewer: "What was your inspiration for creating such an unforgettable character?"

Sapphire: "She's a composite of many young women I encountered when I worked as a literacy teacher in Harlem and the Bronx for 7 years. Over and over I met people with circumstances similar to hers, many with her amazing spirit. I wanted to create a novel with a young person like that. To me she has not existed in literature before. She existed on TV …but as a statistic -- as an 18-year-old HIV+ woman who can't read with two children. I wanted to show her as a human being, to enter into her life and show that she is a very complex person deserving of everything this culture has to offer."

Sapphire, btw, is a BLACK woman born in 1950, her life if pretty interesting if you read up on her.

"Azeem, the Great One. Did you give yourself that name?"-Robin Hood Prince of Theives

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The movie was based on a novel regarding the same issues, and I believe Lee Daniels didn't want to direct this film for the same reason. I think the message of the film transcends a stereotype portrayed of fat Black women in particular. This film could be adapted a bit for poor Whites, Hispanics and Asians in almost any major city in the world.

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Maybe, but would they have used any other ethnicity to steal a bucket of fried chicken and run down the street? Unlike the title of the thread, I'm not trying to argue that the movie is racist. I'm arguing that it's exploitative, which it is what it feels like to me. It's not enough that she was raped and abused, she had to be impregnated with a developmentally disabled child. And AIDS. You've got to throw the AIDS in there.

I'm not saying something like this can't happen. It probably did to somebody (or many people). Just the way it's presented in this particular movie feels fake and occasionally jokey.

I didn't write this review and kind of discovered it accidentally just now, but it does describe some of the ucky reaction I had to the movie.

http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/precious-film-review-by-robert-henderson/

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Even the black communities here in the UK felt that it was racist to us black people. I rented it on DVD. I have to say that I will never ever watch this again. It made me feel ashamed to be black! I'm proud to be black, so this film was just exploitation and bringing shame to all black people in the world1 Paul Mooney was on youtube and he was saying that this film and book was written by a demon! Interesting theory!

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“Does indeed sound like a mish mash of black stereotypes!”

Well, guess what stereotypes are real, so get over it. So, if there’s a movie about a black person’s life, it’s going to have some “stereotypes” which actually makes it more realistic. For instance, whenever my family would have a big get together, guess what kind of food was there?... Yup, fried chicken!, collard greens, sweet potato pie, watermelon, and yes, “red drink”;). It’s not racist, that’s just life. I’m not saying that if you’re black you HAVE to like fried chicken or do other stereotypical things, but it really is more common than not. And that goes for all stereotypes of all kinds of people.

“Do the majority of blacks even live this way??“

Are you really asking that question? Does everyone of your race live and act the way you do?

“The worst thing is that the movie didn't portray blacks living in any other way.”

Omg, when will everyone understand that this is not supposed to be a movie about showing how blacks live, it’s a movie about a girl’s life! So why would they show blacks living in any other way when the movie is about HER, and HER family, and HER situation?! No, it’s going to show the way SHE lived… the story doesn’t have to give two sides, or other ways of life, or show anything more than her life. So, the worst thing is NOT that the movie didn’t portray other types of blacks. The worst thing is that, sadly, this young girl got raped, pregnant, was abused, got HIV from being raped, etc…

“Even the black communities here in the UK felt that it was racist to us black people.”

First of all, I find it kind of funny that you say that because I know several people who grew up in the UK (black and white) who claim that racial tension is not as bad there as it is here in the U.S. Which brings me to my next point… It sounds to me like you were offended by this movie. Offense DOES NOT equal racism. Writing a book (which is what this movie is based on – like I said before) on personal experiences that take place in a predominantly black city (Harlem) is not racist. Writing a book, or making a film about how much you have HATE toward a certain race… THAT’S racist.

”It made me feel ashamed to be black!"

If you felt ashamed to be black just from watching this film, then you already had some serious insecurity problems before even watching it. If anything, the people that are doing these things in real life should cause you to be ashamed, not that the film showed it. If you feel ashamed because of this, then every race should feel ashamed of being who they are because there are people of every race that have done horrible things such as in this movie. And just because you don’t see the story in the news, or turned into a movie, doesn’t mean that it’s not happening.


"Azeem, the Great One. Did you give yourself that name?"-Robin Hood Prince of Theives

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@Cocoa-bean - nice post! I completely agree.

This is a movie about how this BLACK GIRL overcomes adversity by loving her children and educating them as best she could. By the same line of logic that the OP has, then "this is unfair because not all black people are this strong."

Why can't people just enjoy a movie because it's good and it's just a story well-told?

I seriously don't think black people watch Winter's Bone and think all white people live like white-trash?

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lol I read this post on another forum:

* We have the semi-retarded, obese, hideous waste of flesh, ironically named "Precious".

She has very dark skin.

* We have her sadistic, *beep* up welfare queen mother.

Dark skin.

* Her dad that raped her, impregnated her and infected her with HIV.

Dark skin.

* The grandmother that just sits and watches all the unspeakable abuse.

Dark skin.



Then,

* we have Precious' teacher, a good-looking White guy. She dreams of marrying him because he could take her away from all this Negroid squalor.


* Then we have the caring White woman that tries to get Precious to go to an alternative school.


* Then we have the beautiful, angelic savior, Precious's teacher, who saves her from herself, struggling valiantly to teach *beep* Precious the *beep* alphabet. Super light skin, she could've played Arwen.


* Then Precious delivers her doomed baby. All the girls hang at the hospital and fall in love with the dreamy male nurse who teaches them that they shouldn't eat at McDonalds because it is unhealthy. He introduces them to organic foods...tries to convince them to eat FRUIT instead of fried pig's feet. He's played by Lenny Kravitz, half-Black and very light-skinned.


* Precious benefits from the tough love of Mariah Carey, who appears pale as a ghost here.


* And in Precious' dreams/fantasies (which look like MAD TV skits), the idealized world she desires is a world where she is the object of adoration for another very light-skinned good-looking dude.

The message is clear, dark skin=bad, light skin=good. wtf? Where was the outrage?

hahahha

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I did think the whole light skin=good, dark skin=bad thing was a problem with the film. Personally, I guess as someone who is light-skinned and has often wished I were a little darker, it's hard to believe there are black people who genuinely see things the other way around.

I suppose things were different in the '80s? White families typically had a higher income than black families (and still do) and so it would make sense that the mixed-race characters would be more obviously middle-class ones than their darker-skinned counterparts. And of course, you do hear these depressing stories about dark-skinned girls who wish they were white - and often bleach themselves to that effect - all the time so I suppose a large part of that would've gone into the dream sequences and the casting, &c.

* We have the semi-retarded, obese, hideous waste of flesh, ironically named "Precious".

I'm not sure that was an intention of the film, however. They kept saying that she was good at maths and the dream sequences always seemed to suggest that when given chance she could be beautiful too.
I still don't understand why her reading was so poor at the beginning of the film, though.

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1. Black father rapes his daughter

2. Daughter bears fathers child

3. Father, daughter and child both have AIDS

4. Mother and daughter are obese

5. Mother doesn't want to work, lives off state support

6. Fried chicken

7. Low IQ

8. Blacks are loud and their young boys are gangsters and randomly hit people on the street

Does indeed sound like a mish mash of black stereotypes! Do the majority of blacks even live this way?? The worst thing is that the movie didn't portray blacks living in any other way.

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