I actually found this movie to be pretty good. However I for one, a person who's dream it is to visit Australia one day, find it hard to believe being deported back to Australia is really such a bad thing...lol. Anyone else agree?
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Those actors were good before Hollywood. They were picked up and made into Hollywood stars. This does not mean that they don't have careers or popularity.
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Mel Gibson. Here you go.
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Birth does not make you what you are it's the place where you grow up, the culture. If Mel Gibson is American, why did his first movies have SUBTITLES, when they were shown in America.
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America IS NOT the only country in the world. IT IS NOT the center of it also. Yes, first Mad Max movie was a cult classic, before Warner decided to fund the second part. Get over your americentrism.
shareYou're completely ignoring the topic at hand. We're discussing whether "is being deported to Australia really THAT bad". I'm pointing out that this is irrelevant, and all these people crying about Australia have just not seen the movie.
If they had, they'd know that the character in the film is trying to make it big as an actress in HOLLYWOOD, has several promising offers, but would not have any shot of every working in the United States if she was to get deported. Sure, she might get some small time gigs working on Australian soaps and whatnot. But she has the potential for Hollywood stardom, she just needs to get legal.
Is this really that crazy of a concept? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills over here. I mean, please, Americentrism? If you want to keep getting off track and continue changing the subject, be my guest. I'm not going anywhere.
No, being deported to Australia is not bad at all. In general. But if you think it's bad, then it's bad. And it has nothing to do with what we think.
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I dislike the America centric world of film as much as the next guy but just because one guy managed to become popular without being in an American film doesn't stop the fact that if you want to be an actor it's MUCH MUCH easier to become rich and famous acting in the USA as compared to Australia.
shareThere are about 217 other countries in the World. You know about rich and famous actors, that star in Hollywood made movies. What about countries like China or India? What about Europe? Do you know anything about movie industries there?
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Four Weddings and a Funeral is a brit film which made Hugh Grant an international star.
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Four Weddings and a Funeral is a brit film which made Hugh Grant an international star
As for Hugh Grant, I think "international star" is a bit out of proportion. It might have made him a little more recognized. Regardless, within a few year he was starring in "9 Months" and "Extreme Measures". You're not going to tell me that he or Mel Gibson would be where they are today making movies outside of Hollywood.
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Define 'international' for us. Personally I'd feel a star can be international without being known to US audiences. You seem to think the US is the zenith for what defines international. I think in that regard, you're talking out of your ass.
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International movie stars without starring in American films:
Jackie Chan
Monica Belluci
Gérard Depardieu
Aishwarya Rai
Stephen Chow
Yun-Fat Chow
Takeshi Kitano
Stephen Fry
...prob a lot more.
Only one I've listed is from UK. None from Aussie I can think of. I see your point. NB: Most people are prob disagreeing with your post cos you come across as a douche. Not because your argument is inherently incorrect.
your list is rather lousy.
the only one that can open a film internationally to any degree is jackie chan.
the rest, while perhaps known by name by many do not open films internationally. whats the last big international hit for aishwarya rai? even stephen chow isn't known beyond enthusiast circles in the west.
Now you just confirm what's been said - stubborn, ignorant, redneck thinking about as progressive as the middle ages spanish inquisition.
Well let me tell you something, baseballcap "genius": ask your Spielbergs and Camerons about their european influences... like François Truffaut or Sir David Lean or Federico Fellini or Werner Herzog or Ingmar Bergman or if you wish modern Lars von Trier ... and ask american actors about the fascinating myriad of fantastic english actors who in many ways enriched Hollywood, just like many other latinamerican, canadian, european, asian, asian and other artists did in their own countries AND in Holywood.
There are 50 countries in Europe solely, so don't tell me Gerard Depardieu isn't an international artist, just because he's less known in your friggin plastic american minds.
Airshwarya's last big international hit was 'Robot'. Probably released in more countries than most hollywood movies. Just not so much in USA.
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Well considering Jim Sturgess played the boyfriend she was being forced to leave behind...yeah, it would be THAT bad.
The script actually called for the couple of Claire and Gavin to reconcile, but Harvey decided we didn't need to see that scene. You can see a glimpse of it in the trailer.
Being deported to Australia would be bad because Australia is full of Australians, but then again she was living in the US so she was stupid enough to live anywhere.
shareWell I'm Canadian and proud of it but, whether you are a singer or actor, the largest market in the world is the US. That's why they are hated. Very simply other countries are jealous.
Look at our great singers(Celine Dion etc) and Actors (Michael J Fox, Kiefer Sutherland, Jim Carrey etc).
Australia and Canada have a population of 30 million each which is the population of California. The US has over 300 million, relatively affluent, people. Face it the Entertainment Industry is based in the US. The most prestigious acting award is the Oscars. All the great singer from Australia and Great Britain were relative unknowns internationally until they performed in the States.
Hugh Jackman's greatest movies are American made. He made an Australian epic recently (Australia), which was a financial flop. He performs on Broadway regularly.
<i>Well I'm Canadian and proud of it but, whether you are a singer or actor, the largest market in the world is the US. That's why they are hated. Very simply other countries are jealous.</i>
I KNOW! Nobody agrees with me cuz they're so jealous of me!
Err.
But yeah, hollywood is the place to be if you want to make the factory-style big money motion pictures. If that's what you're into. There's no ameri-centrism in that.
If you want to become rich and star in multi million dollar summer blockbusters then yeah, Hollywood is where its at. Though Hollywwod has started to become somewhat of a joke as of late...
shareDefine 'international' for us. Personally I'd feel a star can be international without being known to US audiences.
As for Hugh Grant, I think "international star" is a bit out of proportion. It might have made him a little more recognized.
Lol, man, you're discounting huuuuuge markets in China, India and the Muslim world etc,
shareOMG you people are continuing to ignore this guy's point! How can you be so blatantly ignorant!?
Considering the entertainment world that live and breathes since films first started being made, the U.S. has always been the biggest and brightest where everyone wants to go and be a star. You guys keep talking about China and India being huge entertainment places. From China, with the exception of a few of their bigger stars (most of which who have starred in American made films) who is known internationally except for Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Chow-Yun Fat, Stephen Chow, Maggie Chung, or Sammo Hung? I watch HUNDREDS, possibly THOUSANDS of films and a lot of them being foreign films, but with the exception of seeing these actors, practically NO OTHER CHINESE actors are internationally well-know. Also, tell me this: Who outside of India (with the exception of Indians who live in different countries) watch or have ever even heard of their film industry? Have you ever heard anyone growing up saying "I want to be a movie star, I'm moving to Bombay. India!" Seriously.
International means WORLDWIDE. If you haven't starred in an American film, there is a 95% chance most regular movie-goers have no idea who you are except in that country where you are from and starting starring in films.
Names I've heard that were famous BEFORE Hollywood:
Monica Bellucci - Really? I never heard of her or have seen her in anything good until Dracula in 1993 (or 1992, I forget). Who knew about her before that except for the Italians and a those art-house fruitcakes who love terrible foreign films. (I'm definitely not saying all foreign films are bad, many are in my top 50, but plenty of them are bad, just like plenty of American films are bad.)
Thomas Kretsman (don't know how to spell it correctly, don't have time to look) - Before starring in a couple American films in the early 90's, was he well known worldwide? No. Once again, he was known to Germany and the select few who saw his films outside of Germany.
What everyone, especially the people that come from other countries and seem to be getting offended, need to realize is that English is, first off, the most well known international language there is. It dominates North American, Australia, Great Britain and even though mainland Europe has it's many languages, a good 10%-20% know how to speak English fluently, and plenty others know enough to understand it for films. I wouldn't doubt that most movie-goers in Asia and Africa known plenty of English as well. It's a fact that in the past 100 years English has been steadily rising as the most common language on our planet.
So with the fact of that, English speaking films get a LOT more attention than any other films.
I don't find what's hard to understand about why Hollywood stars are all internationally known and only became that way because of Hollywood, not their homelands films.
BTW, so no one pegs me as a stupid American (I'm not saying Americans are stupid, this is what I assume someone is going to call me), I'm Canadian.
I think the premise by the earlier poster is right - to become an international star you have to work in Hollywood.
I do think k1986 is barking up the wrong tree though. It's not the English language as such, since many countries actually dub all films into their own languages. It's more that Hollywood has two things going for it:
1. Tapping into globally marketable subjects for its films, and
2. A humungous marketing machine to promote its products
Compare Hollywood films to Coca-Cola while, say, Bollywood ones are like Chai and Italian ones like Chinotto. Not manufactured for global appeal and not backed by the world's largest marketing force.
On a completely unrelated note, I found it amusing that the Aussie was played by an Englishwoman, one Iranian by a Kiwi and the other by an American of Jordanian, Egyptian and Greek ancestry.
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1. Tapping into globally marketable subjects for its films, and
2. A humungous marketing machine to promote its products "
u forgot budget and talent.
the draw of talent is stronger, and the censorship is less. so more chances can be taken. bollywood is not chai, its worse than coke, its both mass market, shallow and crippled by indias strict morality codes.
and of course unlike most countries the us is made up of immigrant cultures. this is far different from the long historic monocultures of most countries which lead to entertainment that only appeals to their own people. and of course it doesn't hurt that english does span the globe in a way no other language does.
Sorry, but I disagree. Hollywood stars are known in probably some pockets of urban india. Most hollywood movies are successful because of the action, graphics etc than the stars/actors internationally. So, for example 'Anaconda' or 'Transformers' were hits by Hollywood standards in india (they earned about $1-2 million - which about equals the budget for a low bugdet Bollywood film).
And yes, indian movies are quite popular in other countries outside the indian diaspora (which itself is quite widespread btw). Middle east, many parts of africa, singapore and the UK are some. Dubbing into multiple languages is not a trick only known to Hollywood, you know.
No, hollywood stars are not very well known in the way you think. For ex., not many in india know Harrison Ford, Al Pacino, Jack Nicholson, Tom Hanks, etc. etc. More people know Arnold Schwageneger (one of a kind pure brawn) because of his unadultrated actioners.
The reason Hollywood is successful is purely because of the budgets. They use more money an make grander blockbuster actioners, and they make them in english so many people can reasonably follow the movie, even though they might not understand most of the dialogue.
No, its also because frankly there is more freedom in that society, so much is taboo even in india that it stiffles artistic production.
It's about the same as saying, that being born in Christian family makes you a religious person.
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Are you ever in the dark about Australia. It's a penal colony don't you know? Of course it's a bad thing. Full of criminals, people of low rank, and flies. So many flies.
Crowe and Kidman are notorious for stealing other celebs gift bags at Oscar ceremonies. The disease can also be passed on through unprotected intercourse. Just look at what happened with Winona Ryder.
Tourists are handed free handcuffs at airports for two uses: citizens arrest and to lock oneself to his/her luggage.
From Wikipedia:
"Australians, unconsciously will attempt to steal any items of luggage, purses/wallets/backpacks, in almost any public setting."
No matter how many baptisms or prison sentences handed down to an Australian there is still an uncontrollable urge, a vampirism if you will, for larceny. Spurred on by the continued glorification of famous criminals such as Ned Kelly, Schapelle Corby, John Howard, and the Australian cricket team (1981 - present), I myself, as a concerned neighbor (New Zealander), am shocked at the prevalence of criminality permeating Australian society and how it has seeped into the Australian psyche.
It's too far gone now, genetically ingrained in them, to stop. They are truly a continent of the cursed.
DAMN!! You guys are CRUEL!! lol
But that movie really made you think about what people will do when they feel they have no other options; in Claire's case, I was totally in the dark about why she stooped to such levels though. I mean you have to creep before you walk. But it appeared she wanted to come out of the proverbial womb sprinting. If I remember correctly Australia has given us a few decent films so she could have stayed home and gotten her career off the ground there, read for some solid parts that could have eventually gotten the attention of Hollywood, where she would then be sought after and invited to the US. But she was so blinded by ambition she totally went about it the wrong way and thus permanently ruined her chances.
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I haven't seen the movie but I was surprised from the trailer and hearing about the Australian plot line. I guess it's just because she was so desperate for Hollywood that she didn't want to be near Australia. How successful was her acting in Australia, and in the USA? Most Aussies who end up working successfully in Hollywood completely conquer the local market first. Isn't having jobs lined up in the USA what can help get you visas, or do you have to get the green card first?
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Mexico has a very prolific film industry. One can make the big time on that circuit alone. Like the film explained, had she had some kind of track record as an actress in Australia, she might have warranted an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa for individuals with extraordinary ability. Without that record though, she is just another Jane Schmoe looking for a green card or extension of status.
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I didn't really feel that bad for Claire in this movie. She did not come from a third-world country and she did not seem to be struggling that hard in America. Despite the fact that she wasn't acting, she seemed to be doing pretty well for herself. If acting in Hollywood was something she desperately wanted, she should have gone through the right channels. I wasn't exactly sure why she could not just get a working visa and instead was jeopardizing her chances of working legally here.
While I have very little respect for most American laws, if she wanted to be a Hollywood actress that bad, she should have done it by the books.
That being said, I laughed with my boyfriend when she was getting on a plane back to Austraila. I said, "Is be deported back to Austraila that bad!? No."
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So to be an actor in America you have to get a special acting visa? And to get that you have to have some kind of remarkable record? That is difficult.
Having said that, it does not change the way I feel about her character. Having read many books and essays about the struggles that immigrants go through trying to make it in America makes her story sound like a dream. Especially when you compare her story to Taslima.
TOTALLY AGREE. I actually laughed at the part where she was being escorted home in the airport.
It's not like she had any children or family in the states.
And besides, this may sound totally wrong but it's not like she was going to be a great asset to America. She was not coming to find a cure for cancer. She was an idiot.
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I am in Panama, and quite frankly, I'd love to move to Australia. The USA just doesn't do it for me: too much paranoia about everything, from terrorism all the way to their "act weird and you are a serial killer" mentality (as seen on Forty Years Old Virgin).
The girl was an idiot, mainly because she could have become an actress in Australia, or a writer, or anything she wanted to be. If not, she could have moved to England. She didn't have to become Ray Liotta's prostitute.
Your comment and the one you are replying to are incredibly stupid.
Ribbons and detours meant nothing to me
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No, and after watching this film I'd prefer to live there rather than America :)
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