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The end of Gas does not result in such a scenario.

posted 16 years ago by hereugo
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Just to make this simple, in the movie it is stated that the end of Gas meant the end of power and electricity. This was ridiculous as you there are many ways to get hydrogen out of things we grow naturally, and we all know hydrogen can be converted to electricity anyway using fuel cells. Yes it's complex and expensive, but the mere fact that electricity can be produced from hydrogen using a fuel cell means that if "Gas", aka "Petrol/Fuel", runs out, we still can use biomass, use they hydrogen from that using fuel cells, and bam, you have power. In fact, even vehicles can use this.

Vegetable Oil even, you can get hydrogen from that, and technically using a fuel cell in a vehicle you canf ill a tank of vegetable oil and run your vehicle off that. Biomass Fuel FTW. Movie was good, but ridiculously not researched enough before thinking up the ideas.

[–] msw_rdc 16 years ago

I agree, the end of gasoline is hardly the end of the world. Humans have been existing for 1000's of years without it. Anyway there’s solar power, wind power. I'm sure you could harness running water to create electricity. You can like the poster above said use vegetable oil to run diesel cars. This was my problem with the film; the basic premise is completely stupid. Sure the world would change a little, but the reason with are the dominate species on the planet is that we can adapt to changing environments.

[–] wop0101 16 years ago

hereugo said: "and we all know hydrogen can be converted to electricity anyway using fuel cells."

ha ha, not someone as dumb as me. but tell you what, when the world is ending and i'm one of the handful of people remaining, you can be "the professor" of the group and lead us. to give you fair warning though, i'll always think of you as lizzie mcguire's dad.

[–] mysticalgirl 16 years ago

True true. Id be a lot more worried about that super volcano in Yellowstone erupting than of running out of oil. A super volcano eruption would cause a disaster the likes of which is hard to imagine

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[–] MichaelRAllen 15 years ago

"Tooth & Nail," starts off with an illogical plot and from halfway into the movie is not recovering. I think "Doomsday," pulls off this genre with a lot more style.
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[–] Dragoneyed363 16 years ago

I sort of agree,but really don't know what to think about your statement.Yes,running out of gas would not result in an apocolypse,but yet this is just a movie.You can't expect the people behind 8 Films To Die For,would "do research" before making a film.In my opinion, they did have plenty of things wrong with this film,but with such a low-budget film and unpopular writers,directors,and producers,you can't expect them to hit everything right.To me this was the best of the Afterdark Horrorfest that I've seen.

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[–] mrjayberry 16 years ago

For all the complaints about the no gas=end of the world scenario its really the only reason I've thought/talked about concerning this movie since seeing it. Sure it is incredibly stupid but its still promotion.

[–] amandaef2000-917-397520 13 years ago

Thinking about it there would be uncivil rest if we had no way to produce electricity, transportion of alrge amount of items. Coal mines and nuclear plants still need things transported to them or need to transport coal. The thing is how many people know how to farm, raise animals, fish, or hunt? How many people know how to make a fire? In America how many people had to kill a chicken or fish to eat? Big cities are no designed for the above life style. The thing is we have people who will began to do the above or began to loot and steal things etc. One ironic thing the film stated the smart people went south (more out in the country)but realized other smart people were doing the same thing.

[–] Lucifer-28 16 years ago

Actually, yeah, the end of gasoline and oil pretty much would mean the end of civilization as we know it, if we were caught unaware by it. I agree that we could adjust if we had enough forwarning to do so, however the hypothesis of this movie was that oil ran out almost 20 years before we were expecting it to.
Oil is the lifeblood of civilization. Everything runs on it. And if you don't believe me, look at the recent inflation in this country. The price of everything is going up as the price of gas goes up.
If our civilization were suddenly deprived of oil, everything would fall apart.

That was one of the very few things I thought this movie was right on about.

[–] unitbob 16 years ago

Coal can be converted to oil. Germany had to do it during WW2 when their shipping was cut off. There's also oil shale and tar sands. They are more expensive to process, but considering todays high prices they may soon be in use. Old oil wells still have lots of oil, it's just more expensive to get the rest out. It will take an extremely long time to run out of sources for oil.

Of course lots of people liked The Matrix, even though the idea of using humans as batteries is just about the stupidest thing imaginable.

[–] Lucifer-28 16 years ago

Three problems, one of which you have already addressed (that is the expense). The second is that the volume of oil that can be processed from oil shale and tar sand is a low percentage of the mass volume. We couldn't produce enough to meet our needs, and at any rate, it would be a very temporary solution.
The third problem is that if our supply of crude oil ran out unexpectedly, we would not have time to process tar sand and shale oil before society collapsed. Refining those two things is a very time consuming process.

[–] unitbob 16 years ago

But it wouldn't run out unexpectedly. We also know where plenty of oil is that has yet to be drilled. There are also places like ANWR and off coast locations where we have oil but don't touch for environmental reason. If desperate, they'd be drilled.

It doesn't even really matter much to me be because it doesn't ruin the movie for me knowing that it's not possible. Suspension of disbelief is required for many movies.

[–] otma1918 16 years ago

What you are saying would be true if they had time to plan for running out of oil. There is no way that those things could be done before milions of people died of stravation.

If you paid attention to the film they said the oil ran out unexpectedly.

They also said in the film that the experts said that there was 20 years of oil left and that they were wrong.

And after all this is just a film and a good one. If you want your films to be just like real life why bother wacthing fictional films?

"Sara Wake Up!" Raden 11:11

[–] hereugo 16 years ago

Oil doesn't just run out like that.

You know you can create power using a piece of wood, a paper clip and some other easily acessable things.

In the movie it stated they could have power because they ran out of oil or fuel.

Ok so creating 2 watts of power isn't signifacant for something large, but anyway you can still create power, even large scale power to, well, you know, power up your stuff using basic materials in your house.

You can store power by "winding up", and actually with enough of it you can have perma batteries in a way. There are thousands of way to generate power, why not use it in this movie? They were in a hospital, weren't they? They would have had lots of items in there to build their own power source. If you google search some stuff you will find y ou can power up your whole house for many hours with things in your own household.

[–] otma1918 16 years ago

People that have lived all their lives with oil would not know how to survive without.

If you think city peole can go form electricity to the stone age and make you are nuts.

Life as We know it depends on electricity We can not live without it.

And again it is a movie!

"Sara Wake Up!" Raden 11:11

[–] hereugo 15 years ago

The whole point is you can create electricity using basic household things. The problem is the lack of knowledge, but I think, with all those people at least ONE of them would know the basic creation of electricity using 3 items that are in mass supply.

With a little work, it takes a week to build something decent to generate enough for what they need.

Hell, in the wild, if I managed to forage enough stuff I could create my own source of electricity. Actually, water being one of the things that can be used in the process.

Knowledge is power, right? I guess all these people didn't pass science 101 class in school.

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[–] Strazdamonas 14 years ago

the problem is the lack of knowledge. you got that right. if 1% of peopel know how to make power with paper (i got no idea myself) that does not mean other 99% wont go bananas not to die from starvation.

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[–] aristotle47 16 years ago

After reading through all the responses here, the following is my 2 cents:

- The movie said that the oil ran out 20 years before it was expected to.

- Suspension of disbelief.

- Like whoever above me said, if you expect that city people would be able to go from subsisting entirely on oil to making electricity from a block of wood and a paper clip, you're nuts.

- Suspension of disbelief.

- It was one of the better of the Horror Fest this year, IMO ( not saying a lot, but still. . . )

- Suspension of disbelief.

- Just suspend your disbelief already, for Christ's sake. It was a decent flick; if you want the movie to be so believable, why watch movies like this at all?

[–] hereugo 15 years ago

"Like whoever above me said, if you expect that city people would be able to go from subsisting entirely on oil to making electricity from a block of wood and a paper clip, you're nuts. "

No because it doesn't matter if it was a movie or not, that is the biggest plothole that exists. Are you trying to say that 19 out of 20 "city people" don't k now how electricity works? Yeah, right.

2 days, damn it, 2 days to build a small generator out of *beep* materials, that's all it takes!!! There was no excuse for that plothole.

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[–] tyrone-jones 15 years ago

also, water/faucets would keep running for 50-100 years, its based on gravity and rainfall. Turbines and hydro electric could go on unmaintained for years and years.

they may as well have the end of the world come about due to running out of Taco Shells

[–] allenalberson 15 years ago

Idiotic premise and the actions of the main characters also show there is no way they could ever survive as long as they did. they were pathetically stupid and pathetically written.

Oil can't just "run out",if every well ran dry there would be millions of barrels in storage, transit or being refined. The United States has a strategic reserve just for such emergencies. It wouldn't last long but it would give time for others options to be put in place. Hydro electric would keep most cities running, no cars maybe but hos much you bet full electric cars would be up and running within a month. Geothermic energy would go into mass use and the point about there being no war? Would the US allow its self to completely dry up without snatching someone else's reserves? What about the Chinese and Russians? Food would eventually get scare but as the population decreased by war, starvation, and just plain stupidity it would be less scare. canned food would still be good, dry food plus wildlife to hunt.

Plus like I said no way could that group survive over a few days of a complete breakdown. Think about it. Their leader mysteriously is killed. Who do they elect as leader? The newest person in the group, who they know nothing about and many of them are suspicious of. hell Vinnie Jones could have just waltzed in and been made leader
Stupid movie

[–] Demarates 15 years ago

FACT : European governments require petrol retailers to stock at least one years supply of petrol. (That is not even counting all the oil that would be left either in storage in the oil producing countries or en route aboard tankers.) I'm pretty sure the US and Canada are no different. Ditto for other nations, though the supply levels may vary some.

This goes for petrol, diesel ànd domestic heating oil. In case of a sudden cut of the supply as described in the movie, two things would happen.

A) Prices sky-rocket making regular folk unable to buy any. They would switch to alternatives, being public transport and bikes to get around + coal, gas, wood, etc to heat their houses.

B) The government would step in and ration those supplies.

Either way, as demand would fall dramatically, this one years supply (in pre-crisis conditions) would easily last two-five years. Hence society would not collapse any time soon, certainly not after only two years as depicted in this film.

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