Best Of Horrofest?


Which film do you think was the best of horrorfest and worst of horror fest?

I liked Tooth and Nail the best
Least Unearthed.

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I'm going to have to agree with you on that. Unearthed was terrible. Tooth and Nail scared the heck out of me.

If somethings gonna happen, you better make it snappy. I wanna disappear.

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Best: Borderlands
Worst: Lake Dead

T&N made me laugh a lot (which I don't hold against it).
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I thought it was a tough call between Borderland ans Tooth and Nail.

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kidding me, tooth and nail is in the worst list

unearthed is also bad, maybe a little better

best is maybe borderland and deaths of ian

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*beep* you! This movie was *beep*

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Worst was Lake Dead, bad script and even worse acting. Unearthed would be a close thumbs down. Best was Deaths of Ian Stone and Tooth and Nail.

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best was lake dead the beginning when gramps got pissed because the *beep* cop shot him was funny *beep* worst nightmare man blew even though it had some tits in it.

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If Tooth & Nail was the best of this year's horrorfest than the rest of the films must be sheer abominations.

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i think borderland has great directing. some shady spots but pretty good.

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1. Apparently you don't see those Viking-like warriors in the daytime; and the girl even said: "they only come out at night" and not only did they come out at daytime but Michael Madsen killed one too. He said some dumb line and I sighed a big sigh.

2. I think the first scene with the cannibals SHOULD be when you see them walking out of the blackness, in front of the camera. It reminds me of the E.T. scene where all those agents are moving toward Eliot's house. You know, little clips of the villains or mysterious people make them much more terrifying.
It was an utter mess.

3. Half the movie was talking about them eating the survivors. If it's a move about cannibals, can I maybe see some cannibalism?

4. The ending: "I drugged the bodies..." Oh my God! Really? I want to feel like I'm not being spoon-fed stupidity; I want to be educated, not bored out of my mind. For instance, what substance was used? Chlorapromazine, loxapine, amyls, oxazepam, ketamine, clozapine... I mean what WAS it?

5. The beginning dialogue was not needed; instead of saying: "the world is ending, few survived" why not just show it? Why does there have to be an opening speech about what happened? I hate that.

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In my personal opinion this was by far the best film of horrorfest 2006 and 2007. I'm surprised it wasn't released regularly to theaters, a lot better than some of the other movies that have been recently released.

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I don't see how it good at all. Look, there were these commercials that told you that "the only emotion you will feel is fear" which is crap, I know, but I really wanted to go to a horror festival that actually had SOME bloody-good scary movies...and I'm talking with NO cornballs....this one was a cornball.
I wanted to get scared, blame me.

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As I noted in my review, all post-apocalyptic thrillers are stupid. Some of them are more entertaining than others but they're universally poorly thought out.

Another thing you might note is that this didn't have to be post-apocalyptic at all. Another setting -- say if they were in the mountains and recently cut off by a snowstorm, would have allowed an identical plot, while also providing explanation for why none of them seemed to have a single relevant survival skill (except, I guess, some of them could shoot).

I could rip on it for days, seriously. Or any other post-apocalyptic flick, even the great Road Warrior.

That aside, it was goofy fun. Good acting and enough action to keep from being boring.

Really, if you're watching eight movies in three days, there is no sin worse than being boring.

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Some people on this board it seems were disapointed in this film. That is something I do not understand. I am not one for horror films generally, but TOOTH and NAIL was on of the better horror films I have ever seen. Perhaps, for some there was not enough torture and blood as in pornographic violence as seen in films such as the SAW and HOSTEL films.
For anyone who sugests that the idea of people turning canibalistic is far fetched only need look at our society today which has become totally complacent to acts of violence against mankind close to that of the Days of Rome.
Have people forgotten that canibalism was acted out not to long ago when that plane went down in the Andes.
TOOTH and NAIL has much to think about,certainly more than most horror films made today for the masses of adolescent jerks who find violence COOL.

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I wasn't disappointed; I had no expectations. It's unrealistic to see any eight movies randomly assorted and expect anything.

I was hoping the ones that weren't scary or eerie would be fun, and they mostly were. Even Lake Dead had its moments.

I'm not sure what Rome has to do with anything. The Romans were deeply anti-cannibalism. (One of their confusions with early Christianity was that Christians were cannibals, eating the "body and blood" of their god.)

Anyway, the cannibalism thing was kind of amusing because the northeast is overrun by deer now. A few years of not being hunted at all (the predator population would re-emerge more slowly) and you wouldn't be able to swing a club-with-a-bunch-of-nails-in-it without hitting them.

And deer wouldn't inject itself with poison in order to take revenge on you.

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I just want there to be at ONE time or another, a horror festival with horrifying movies... that would be tha day...

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That'd be nice but pretty unlikely. Of the tens of thousands of horror movies made, a virtually insignificant fraction actually manage to be scary.

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Yes, I've realized this concept, which is I why I was thinking of being a movie judge for the horrorfest in some later years. How qualified do I have to be?

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I imagine it's more important who you know than what you know.

Either marry someone who's part of the company or become a famous horror writer/moviemaker.

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Well, you're right about that: knowing people is everything.

Umm... ok, no for number 1... and as for number two, I made about two 15 minute horror-shorts that I submitted into the Phoenix Horror & Sci-Fi fest and nothing got in. I knew they were golden, but others did not-- they thought it just sucked. I want to make at least one successful film, but I really don't want to waste time on it,--on something nobody will care about.... but then again, give everybody time, and I guess they'll come 'round. Like Clerks and Mallrats weren't huge in theatres, but made much more money on video release, where the Video Generation gave it a thumbs up.
I'd be happy if that was me. My friend James works in the movie business and has been a photographer for nearly 20 years. he takes b/w stills of urban settings. he transfered his camera knowledge to film-making, and in a short time became a producer for his friend who needed help with the project's economic business. My point is that after being in the film industry for maybe 13 years, he's just below the D list--he's a nobody-- and that's exacty what I want: to be unknown, but can still have a portfolio and a resume of everything I've done.
That way, I can be a judge and nobody will ever know I exist except for the movie nerds, who are like family to me. :)

'K, bye...

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You might enjoy http://retromediaforum.com/. There are a lot of low and micro-budget film makers talking about the art, the craft, the business, etc. Hosted by Fred Olen Ray.

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Just signed up. Sounds fun. thanks bro..... ;)

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Amen to that. I thought it a pretty good movie to and actually the real reason i went to go see this movie is because i met the director Mark Young ,the little girl and Nicole DuPort in person, because i to see his work and it was great so SCREW ALL THE REST OF Y'ALL WHO HATED THIS MOVIE.

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Did anyone like Crazy Eights?

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I liked Crazy Eights, though it was neither the best nor worst of the bunch.

Good acting, good atmosphere, unfocused plot and action. Someone mentioned something about them running out of money, and I can believe that. Happens a lot. And Eights sorta felt that way.

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Screw us? You mean the people who actually like good movies? Um...alllright.... whatever you say.

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This and mulberry street tie at number one for the worst movies not only of the festival, but probably of all time(not an exhageration)

I didn't get to see unearthed or borderland, but Ian Stone was by far the best!

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I was told Unreathed was bad. I thought it would be when I read its synopsis.

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If not an exaggeration, then indicative of a narrow range of movie viewing.

Honestly, nothing shown at the HorrorFest was in the worst of all time. Go watch to "Monster A Go-Go", to name a famously bad film. T&N had a lot of good camerawork, humor, some fine acting--there are films that have nothing to recommend them at all.

"Mulberry" had some inventive camera-work, solid acting, positively great characterization and was very evocative of New York.

I'm not saying either were great films, or even good films by some standards, but they both had things to recommend them.

Worst of all time? Oh, no, no, no, no. Try "Santa Claus vs. The Martians", "Robot Monster" or "The Sky Divers". Try "Manos: The Hands of Fate". And those are just movies you can find on IMDB.

You can't go into a film series like this expecting every movie to be "Ian Stone", which reportedly had a whopping $11M budget. If you're going to enjoy yourself, you can't, anyway. If you want to have fun, you have to look for what these people manage to do under the most adverse of circumstances. "Mulberry" had a $60K budget, I'm told!

Go watch "Plan 9 from Outer Space", which had a similar budget =in 1950s dollars=! Now, I'm a fan of "Plan 9", but it doesn't achieve anything like "Mulberry" or T&N.

Just my opinion, of course, but there were admirable things in all eight of the films. Hell, compare them--any of them--to this year's relatively big budget Primeval. I'd watch any of the eight again rather than that, and it had Orlando Jones!

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I'm not saying that i need big actors and a big budget to suffice me, and i didn't go into this festival expecting huge budget films, i know these are from up and coming film makers, and to make a good movie on a low budget it an amazing task that i greatly appreciate, and give major props to its creators for doing so. Having said that, these movies were pretty bad. I think it's slightly prentious of you to assume that i have a narrow range of movie viewing. Even if i've seen one movie other than this i can still judge what is good versus bad. I'm sure you have not seen every movie ever made, and neither have i, but of the movies that i have seen in my days, these were some of the worse and i did not particularly enjoy them.

T&N was a poorly written, and over-acted. The so-called big twists could be seen from miles away.

And that's just my opinion...

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I'm not trying to change your mind, nor saying you can't judge "good versus bad". But the phrase you used was "worst ever". We could flip it around. You could say Transformers was the best movie ever, and if you'd seen that and only one other movie, and that other movie was, say, Mighty Moprhin Power Rangers, we could probably all agree that in the universe of two films that you've seen, Transfomers was the best movie ever.

But for those of us who have seen, oh, Casablanca or Citizen Kane, we would consider the "ever" part hyperbole.

Likewise, if you see any of those movies I mentioned, you'll get a new appreciation for "bad". The ADHF eight will probably settle in the 5-6 range here on IMDB, some maybe in the 4s. But, seriously, I don't think you can review the bottom 100 here at IMDB and still walk away thinking these movies qualify. (If you can, you can, I just don't see it.)
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What are you talking about, man? Power Rangers was awesome. Had lots of fun. And anything directed by Michael Bay I won't even see.

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What are you talking about, man? Power Rangers was awesome. Had lots of fun. And anything directed by Michael Bay I won't even see.

Then how do you know Transformers wasn't better than it?

HA!

(Seriously, that's the problem with trying to make analogies like this. There's always some guy who prefers The Money Pit to The Godfather.

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Are you serious? EVERYONE I KNOW WHO SAW IT SAYS IT'S HORRIBLE. IT GOT HORRIBLE REVIEWS. AND I HATE MICHAEL BAY'S MOVIES! IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU??
AND BY THE WAY, POWER RANGERS ARE ALWAYS BETTER. DON'T MESS WITH THEM, yo

hahahaha thay was fun. Happy thanksgiving. :)

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Hahahaha!

(I'm not a Bay fan, either, but went in with brain shut off...."Pretty lights! Loud noise! Hot chick!" It works on that level.)

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I didn't dislike any of the film's but I thought the one's that stood out were "Tooth and Nail," and "Nightmare Man".

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Wait, you think that Nightmare Man stood out???!!! Seriously? That movie was terrible, the main chick spent like the first 40 minutes screaming her face off and terribly over acting and the dialogue was pure *beep* That movie was a piece of garbage, i'm sorry but it's true. Now Tooth and Nail I really liked. It wasnt perfect and some things were silly but it was fun and I enjoyed it. I'm not a picky movie watcher, honestly as long as I can sit through a movie and ENJOY it then I like it, even if it's not perfect or some things don't make sense. I look for entertainment in most movies I watch. Tooth and Nail had lots of entertainment, Nightmare Man had NONE, it bored me to tears.

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Since when are movies with huge budgets always good? Why waste money to fund a film project?

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Money matters.

It doesn't guarantee a good picture, but it is the defining resource for most filmmakers, even ones who make low-budget flicks all the time. (Especially for them, actually. They're hired precisely because they can bring things on time and on budget.)

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I was the Executive Producer of T&N. So many things have to come together to make an "indie" film.Script, money, talent, location..etc.Just getting a film DONE is an accomplishment.You never really know, going in, how the end result will be...maybe that's the fun of it. You really can't appreciate how hard it is to make a 4 to 6 out of 10 movie on a shoesting budget, untill you've done it.
Cheers!!
Joe Nicolo

PS- yea, as far as a horror flick..I give it a 5 or 6

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You're Jeffrey D. Erb?

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Joe--

Hey, good work. We had fun watching it.

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Joe, did you read the script before you started filming? Did you not see that it was inane? Unworkable? So incredibly full of implausibility that even the best direction, photography, sets, props, and events couldn't save it?

I know how hard it is to make no-budget movies--a shoestring would be a step up. And I can confidently say that a good script is the foundation without which even a huge budget produces garbage.

Come on, there were some good shots, but overall....

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Pff, money does not bloody matter. A good filmmaker can make something entertaining with his little Sony handheld. A good movie doesn't have to attract everyone, just me.
I saw a bunch of film material spliced together, to make this bizarre doc-esque college student film. It was never going to be used to make a film, they were just filmin about. What it was was three guys with a digital video camera walking around Yankee Stadium interviewing various people, having very interesting off-camera conversations about baseball & life. now I don't really like the Yankees but(do NOT say "then how do you know Transformers is bad?" I KNOW)this movie was interesting, and the Yankees was a minor focus; a thread of string in a wool factory, if you will. It wasn't about the Yankees or NY, it was about the off-camera convos; thats what made it great. it does make you feel a little nauseous at times, but it isn't any worse than Blair Witch, which they actually had a budget for.

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Apples and oranges. Some people argue that the documentary Hearts of Darkness was better than the subject it was documenting (the making of Apocalypse Now). Budget is obviously not the only factor.

And, yes, no doubt one can do great work with a handycam.

But that work is not going to get shown in a theater, it's not going to sell overseas, and a large part of the audience is going to reject it as cheap, regardless of the quality of the content. (I had thougt that prejudice would go away with the younger generation getting used to more shot-on-video stuff, but I heard one kid refer to Nightmare Man as looking "like a cheap Spanish soap opera".

Remember, these guys are trying to make a living. You have the luxury of saying "A good movie doesn't have to attract everyone, just me." They're out of business unless they attract buyers, distributors and ultimately enough of an audience to attract an investor for the next film.

Similar to comments I made to girluknow, in your universe, it may be that those movies you took of your kid's birthday party are better than Casablanca, but I'm probably not going to want to shell out $10 to see it.

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well put...you got people who want to see their 2 million bucks back
and no I'm not Jeff Erb (Jeff is my partner). I'm Joe Nicolo..I came out of the music Bizz.

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Nice to see you on the board.I really liked the film. Much better than I was expecting. The costumes looked great, don't you think?

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I thought the whole film had a good look...Thanks!
JN

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No it didn't. err, I mean why argue? You guys are the executive producers and so on. You're trying to have fun, but are completely clueless as to what scares the kids. Now that's scary! :p

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I personally think Mulberry Street or Ian Stone, were the best of the 5 I've seen. Though I hear Borderlands was good. I'm not sure however, because that's kind of like saying that Donnie Wahlberg was the best member of the New Kids On The Block. This may be true, but the band still sucks!

Last year I bought into their marketing campaign, proclaiming that they were too scandalous for theaters. Guess what...they weren't. I have yet to see anything that blows my mind, and that's kind of what I wanted to see with Horrorfest. Although I'm watching Crazy Eights right now, and stylistically it's already better than Tooth and Nail. Pretty good cast at least!

So many of the films were just SO bleh! Like no design choices made at all, and the ACTING! YECH! Tooth and Nail's acting appeared alright at first, but eventually the heroine's acting just became one note detachment. Any moment where she was supposed to be tough or intense was ridiculously vacant.

Of the ones I've seen, here they are in order of enjoyment with a short review. Worst to Best...ish:

4. Nightmare Man, Lake Dead - It was a tough one trying to decide which one of these was worse, so I put them as a tie. These were such utter crap! The acting in Lake Dead, was slightly better than Nightmare Man, but not by much. Both had the production values of high grade porn, and I'm pretty sure that Nightmare Man was at one point a porn, but someone tried to re-edit it to market it. How these two ended up in a festival that had two or three high quality(at least production-wise) films, is BEYOND me! Too bad I watched them early on, which has still left a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of the festival.

3. Tooth and Nail - This seemed promising, but it was just pretty darn lame and
boring. See above.

2. The Deaths of Ian Stone - This one looked great, as far as films could look good in this festival, like a high quality direct to video sequel. It certainly seemed like a film that could be released in theaters if it had better known actors in it(A sad commentary on our society). The graphics were vastly better in this one than in any of the other films. That might have something to do with the fact that at the end of the film I saw it was produced by Stan Winston. Cool. Unfortunately the last 20 minutes in the hospital were horribly slow, and before that the movie dragged in it's mid section. Still lots better than the others above.

1. Mulberry Street - One of things I loved about it was that it obviously had no budget (I checked, it was 60 grand, which is minuscule in movie terms) and that it took a ludicrous subject, man eating rat people, and made it work. I loved the homemade feel of this one, and the claustrophobia of the apartment complex. The acting was great too, and though I wasn't particularly ever scared, it really hung together. Also, one of the best things about the film was the score. Amazingly the film seems better as I write about it.

So all in all the two films were better than expected, two were AWFUL! and one was bleh...

And so far crazy eights is the best put together film I've seen so far. Production design, and acting wise. So why'd they include "Nightmare Man" and "Lake Dead?"

PS. Last years films so far seemed better than this years. In order:
1. Reincarnation - For me it had the most chilling imagery which is what I look for, and it was also the best technically. The story made me think.

2. The Hamiltons - The story was very interesting. Some of the acting...eh, but it was also told well.

3. The Gravedancers - For pure enjoyment...minus the last 10 minutes,(and I REALLY mean, minus the last 10 minutes) this one was good. Even though that Sid guy was the worst actor I've ever seen.

4.Wicked Little Things - Underrated! I didn't think Wicked Little Things was that bad. It was more watchable than I thought it would be, but maybe that's because I'd heard people ripping on it alot, and expected it to be worse.

5. Dark Ride - To me it was just kind of...eh. Seen it a million times before. But not horrible.

6. Unrest - Wow...there was so much in this that didn't make sense. Which is sad, because it had some good atmosphere. Also my friend is in it.

7. Penny Dreadful - Like I said haven't seen it so I can't exactly rate it. Not expecting great things though. I probably should have watched this in the middle.

8. Still haven't seen "The Abandoned", but I just bought it so I'll watch it soon. It's supposed to be the best one of last year's festival.

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Best: Deaths of Ian Stone
Worst: Nightmare Man

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From best to worst:
1. Borderland
2. Tooth & Nail
3. Mulberry Street
4. The Deaths of Ian Stone
5. Nightmare Man
6. Lake Dead
7. Crazy Eights
8. Unearthed


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I liked Tooth and Nail but, Mulberry st. is much better!

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1. Borderland
2. Nughtmare Man
3. Tooth and Nail
4. Mulberry Street
5. Crazy Eights
6. The Deaths of Ian Stone
7. Unearthed
8. Lake Dead

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Lake Dead had positively the worst acting and dialogue of the 8 films released. None of the characters were likable. None.

The Deaths Of Ian Stone would probably be like the median film of the horrorfest 2007 films. The acting was decent and the pace of the film was good. The plot proved interesting only because it made no sense whatsoever, like it was written by 5 different writers who didn't share their ideas with each other and then just globbed them together. At first I thought maybe I just wasn't getting it, but there really isn't anything to get. It's just a nicely shot flick with pretty faces and a hot demon Medea who spews the same dialogue over and over.

Tooth and Nail obviously is one of the more solid films because of artful direction, fair performances from better-known actors, and a plot that makes you think about the state of things around us and what could be in future years (although THIS outcome is still fairly implausible). Plus, who doesn't love Michael Madsen acting like Michael Madsen?

Borderland is above average although it struggles with the fact that it doesn't have one original moment in it. It claims to be based on actual events, but so do so many movies these days. The fact that the movie had to do with ritual sacrifices in order to protect drug runners from being caught by the border patrol is the films one bit of originality, but beyond the explanation at the very end of the film, it doesn't really touch on it. Still, much better than Lake Dead. Damn, i hate that movie.

Unearthed was by far the worst. Even worse than Lake Dead. Not even worth a forth sentence.

The rest I haven't seen yet, and unless someone might recommend another one, i don't see myself watching the others (except Mulberry Street, because i hear
good things about it). As far as I see it, these Horrorfest films are all well-produced horror flicks that just aren't very good -- at least not good enough to be released individually. The 2007 series is much better than 2006 series from what i've seen, but 2006 was pretty damn terrible.

I hope this is somewhat helpful, but it's just one man's thoughts. If you love horror flicks like I do, you'll probably end up watching them all anyway. At least its better than watching over-produced remakes.

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Best : Borderland
worst : unearthed

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So far, yes. Although I still haven't seen Borderland nor Crazy Eights.

My order:

2007 -

Tooth & Nail - 8/10
The Deaths of Ian Stone - 6/10
Mulberry Street - 4/10
Nightmare Man - 3/10
Lake Dead - 2/10
Unearthed - 2/10

2006 -
The Hamiltons - 8/10
Reincarnation - 8/10
The Gravedancers - 8/10
Wicked Little Things - 7/10
Unrest - 6/10
Dark Ride - 4/10
Penny Dreadful - 3/10
The Abandoned - 2/10

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