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I would like to open up this message board to discussion. Let’s hear what you think. Since no one is reading this board I feel free to ramble on.

For my part, the movie had me thinking in many different directions. Initially I dismissed these people as white trash for the way they treated the land around them. Dump all their refuse on the land, light up an automobile (whatever pollutants that leaves).

Then I looked at those kids and felt anger. Teenagers usually rebel and these kids most likely will want to join the world around them some day. Their parents are giving them the skills to be excellent hippies and maybe excellent skills at inner peace, but they are going to compete very poorly in “the other world” if they someday want to leave the Mesa.

Then it occurred to me that these aren’t normal people who just tired of the rat race that they dis. There are thousands of small rural towns that they could have settled in that are so slow paced they would bore the *beep* out of most people. These same towns live and let live. Haven’t any of these people been to the hundreds of small towns in the “hollers” of Appalachia? No, these are people that are socially maladjusted.

Then I thought of them as a bunch of phonies because they claim to be so self reliant, yet they couldn’t exist without the nearby townies they look down on. They rely on the town for hauling water, they rely on the oil companies to drive their vehicles, they rely on the food donations, they rely on social security, they even rely on the companies that make the paper they roll their joints in.

Then I thought about how these people have a great capacity to love. Love their children, love their ex-wives, love their neighbors, and most interestingly, love their country.

Then I thought about the judicious use of firearms they practice. The way they treated those Nowhere kids, whom they could have blown away in an instant, was remarkable.

Then I thought about how they had it right on when they point out with clarity that our current governmental system is light years away from what the Constitution intended it to be. (For better and for worse). I asked myself, if the great minds of Jefferson and Franklin were to rise out of the grave and spend a day talking with the Board of Directors of Bear Stearns and a day talking with these folks on the Mesa, which would they better relate to?

I came away with the conclusion that these self absorbed, maladjusted dirty hippies may just well be the best damned patriots the USA has.

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What I found most interesting was that they all fled 'civilization' to be 'free' and without laws... but they ended up in a slightly different 'civilization' that had to create laws in order to get along anyway.

I also found it amusing that they had to rely on food and water from the nearby town. That is NOT living 'off the grid' really. They were not self sufficient AT ALL!

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These people arn't living off the grid, they still rely on modern civilization to sruvive.

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They shouldn't be too relaxed to do something with the abandoned cars strewn on the perimeter of their mesa. Either utilize them as a barrier for the mesa or part of it.
Lay off the pot, wash more often, move the mesa closer to get easier access to a medical facility & supplies not available on the mesa, & shoot those Nowhere Kids the next time they show up.

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I guess you have it all figured out. ;)

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You guessed right.

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move the mesa closer to get easier access to a medical facility & supplies not available on the mesa,

"Move the mesa"? That would be quite a feat! I guess you mean move the settlement, but that is most likely not possible since places with easier access to facilities are likely to be settled already or at least owned by some entity that doesn't want a bunch of squatters on its land. Settlements like this can only exist far from civilization, including the running water needed to "wash more often." The point of the film is that these folks have traded away the kind of comfort and security you're talking about for a different way of life.

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Overall I thought it was a fine documentary even though I couldn't relate to anyone (not that I was supposed to I guess)

It seemed to loose some structure after a while and kind of just made me loose interese somewhere along the way. I saw it on snag films late at night so it did what it was supposed to do I guess, it entertained me.

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i actually enjoyed this quite a bit. I liked how they referred to "Mama Energy" as a nurturing force, and used it to help convey their feelings to the Nowhere Kids. I would have to say they have my admiration for being able to thrive in such hostile conditions, and I think their children are better prepared for real life than the wealthy leeches I see in my high school every day.

Overall, it made me think, and I really grew to like the people portrayed. I still worry about Virginia, and her poor crack-head baby.



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Some of it seemed like a mockumentary, especially the alcoholic dad selfishly bringing his children out into the middle of nowhere and teaching them "skills" like boiling water. Also the guy who had Gulf War syndrome who says he would go back into the army tommorow. I liked the hog farmer the best, he seemed like a sweet, wise old man who served as an important father figure to a lot of lost children.

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"Surrender Dorothy!"

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Maybe they're just hillbillies without a hill.

Mesabillies, if you like...











"Go back to your oar, Forty One."

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You know what I hate? Whenever a film or report shows Leftists living away from society, the general criticism is positive, like, "they're changing it up" or "they don't conform to the capitalist way." Whenever it's not Leftist, they're "hillbillies" or "trash" or "harming their kids." Arrogance.

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I agree.

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