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Bin Laden denies he did 9-11

posted 14 years ago by briansouter
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UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful.

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I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

the zionists have no such qualms:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

[–] CKent2 14 years ago

Those denials came from an interview by a Pakistani newspaper, the Daily Ummat.
The newspaper says it submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies. So we don't REALLY know if these denials came from Bin Laden himself.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010929010503/http://www.ananova.com/news/ story/sm_410936.html

Certainly the Ummat statement that “Islam does not allow the killing of innocent people, men, women and children” doesn’t sit well with earlier bin Ladin interviews. Here’s what he told John Miller in 1998:

PBS: Mr. bin Laden, you have issued a fatwah calling on Muslims to kill Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all Americans, just the American military, just the Americans in Saudi Arabia?

bin Ladin: Allah has ordered us to glorify the truth and to defend Muslim land, especially the Arab peninsula ... against the unbelievers. After World War II, the Americans grew more unfair and more oppressive towards people in general and Muslims in particular. ... The Americans started it and retaliation and punishment should be carried out following the principle of reciprocity, especially when women and children are involved. Through history, American has not been known to differentiate between the military and the civilians or between men and women or adults and children. Those who threw atomic bombs and used the weapons of mass destruction against Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the Americans. Can the bombs differentiate between military and women and infants and children? America has no religion that can deter her from exterminating whole peoples. Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.h tml

On October 7, 2001, Bin Laden said, "When Almighty God rendered successful a convoy of Muslims, the vanguards of Islam, He allowed them to destroy the United States...

I swear by Almighty God who raised the heavens without pillars that neither the United States nor he who lives in the United States will enjoy security before we can see it as a reality in Palestine and before all the infidel armies leave the land of Mohammed, may God's peace and blessing be upon him."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/south_asia/1585636.stm

In the above, he seems to admit the attacks were commited by Muslims and more would be coming. Two days later, an al Qaeda spokesman named Suleiman Abu-Ghaith
made the threat a bit more explicit saying, "The youths who did what they did and destroyed America, they have done a good deed," he said. "The storm of airplanes will not stop. There are thousands of young people who look forward to death like the Americans look forward to living."

In late December of 2001, Bin Laden said, ""Those who carried out the act (September 11) were not 19 Arab countries... they were 19 secondary school students..." He then went on to say how they should all become martyrs, ie: "Another, Muhammed Atta came from Egypt. We beseech God to accept them all as martyrs".
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin_122701.pdf

On April 4, 2002, al Qaeda issued a statement saying, "The first charge of the heroes of the New York and Washington attacks was obedience to all of their orders, an obedience that was established before their departure to the enemy's land, beginning with the hero Ahmad al-Ghamdi, may Allah almighty have mercy on him...

We have put forth this directive in order to deliver a new blow to America and to expose to the world the fallacy of the American propaganda which claims it has irrefutable evidence regarding the warriors (mujahideen) who carried out the operation. It claims it has twenty-four thousand threads leading to knowledge of the agents of the operation. But what appears to it as evidence is weaker than a spider's web, and the American case cannot rely upon it to indict the suspects, let alone convince the world with it. In this directive we say to America that hiding all trace of the agents of the operation was not something we considered. Rather, some of the heroes were intent on leaving Islamic fingerprints on the operation. This is a new blow received by the American security agency that has looked here and there in confusion unlike anything ever seen before. On account of the hunt for a trace of the heroes who entered their country, noses have sniffed with honor and pride."

Why are al Qaeda writing about and naming a “hero” of 9/11 if they don’t know anything about it? Doesn’t the statement “hiding all trace of the agents of the operation was not something we considered” indicate their involvement? Why are they bothering to justify the attacks (and write a book about them) if they had nothing to do with it?

In October 2002, in an interview by Al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda, Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed admit responsibility for 9/11, and describe their planning. These interviews were audiotaped, and segments broadcast on Al Jazeera.

On October 30, 2004, Bin Laden said, "I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind..."

"And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children"
http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/1964.cfm

fire proofing is simply for insurance purposes only...fire can't melt steel -Uglytheclown

[–] briansouter 14 years ago

'The newspaper says it submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies. So we don't REALLY know if these denials came from Bin Laden himself. '

The FBI agrees with BIN LADEN..so we can assume they are his words(see below).

and by extension you have no evidence that OBL has said that he did...

But we do have fake videos alleging he did:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html

NOW if OBL DID do 9-11...and has admitted it, why create fake videos?

its strange you say in 2002 KSM admitted to 9-11, so why torture him in Guantanamo to say he did 9-11? A,ll they needed was a depositionh!

's the endnotes for The 9/11 Commission Report reveal, whenever the Commission referred to evidence of bin Ladin's responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, the Commission was always referring to CIA-provided information, which had (presumably) been elicited during interrogations of al-Qaeda operatives. By far the most important of these operatives was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, generally called simply "KSM," who has been called the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. The Commission, for example, wrote:

Bin Ladin . . . finally decided to give the green light for the 9/11 operation sometime in late 1998 or early 1999. . . . Bin Ladin also soon selected four individuals to serve as suicide operatives. . . . Atta - whom Bin Ladin chose to lead the group - met with Bin Ladin several times to receive additional instructions, including a preliminary list of approved targets: the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the U.S. Capitol.17

The note for each of these statements says: "interrogation of KSM."18

Kean and Hamilton, however, reported that they had no success in "obtaining access to star witnesses in custody . . . , most notably Khalid Sheikh Mohammed."19 Besides not being allowed to interview these witnesses, Commission members were not even permitted to observe the interrogations through one-way glass or to talk to the interrogators.20 Therefore, Kean and Hamilton complained: "We . . . had no way of evaluating the credibility of detainee information. How could we tell if someone such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed . . . was telling us the truth?"21'
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15892

SO much for KSM! Even the 9-11 Commission doubte KSM did it!

Notice how at first its OBL...then he drifts into background, to be replaced by the likes of KSM.

FBI agrees with OBL.
And note the FBI on Bin laden and 9-11:

'On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

It shouldn’t take long before the full meaning of these FBI statements start to prick your brain and raise your blood pressure. If you think the way I think, in quick order you will be wrestling with a barrage of very powerful questions that must be answered. First and foremost, if the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to “smoke him out of his cave?” The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” Bin Laden and the Taliban. Through the talking heads in the mainstream media, the Bush Administration told the American people that Usama Bin Laden was Public Enemy Number One and responsible for the deaths of nearly 3000 people on September 11, 2001. Yet nearly five years later, the FBI says that it has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. '
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/16-no-hard-evidenc e-connecting-bin-laden-to-9-11/

Youre one more dumb american who has beleieved the neocon propaganda. Better luck with your next neocon defence.

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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what hologram plane? No i never believed that theory..

Try not to misrepreswent my view and you may seem less like a troll

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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if thats a sample of your memory, youve just shot your reputation for debate in the foot.
The neocons love useful idiots like you. It made their takeover of US policy so much easier

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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you seem unaware of the nature of the neocons...

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

[–] CKent2 14 years ago

One of my most favorite ploys of the conspiracy theorists is the straw man argument. Everyone loves to quote Rex Tomb from the FBI when he said, "He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Most conspiracy theorists don't know what "hard evidence" actually is. It's a legal term. Specifically, "hard evidence" refers to the confession tape and the fact that a chain of custody cannot be established. Of course, there are now multiple occasions on which Bin Laden has spoken about the attacks.

It's just another case of conspiracy theorists not knowing what they're talking about.

By the way briansouter, just keep calling everyone who disagrees with you "neocons"... it's just makes your credibility soar.

And I love this line of yours...

NOW if OBL DID do 9-11...and has admitted it, why create fake videos?

I'm sorry, when was it proven that the videos were faked?

fire proofing is simply for insurance purposes only...fire can't melt steel -Uglytheclown

[–] briansouter 14 years ago

Theres no strawman argument...just the embarrassing fact that the FBI page on OBL has no mention of 9-11.
SO no evidence for a legal case...just evidence to invade another country.

OBL never admitted doing 9-11...thats whay you have the fake videos...DUH!

The vidoes were proven fake years ago

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape2.html

That the videos are fake were shown ages ago.But to the patriot, there can nneve be any convincing proof. Faith in OBLS guilt ensures that

Note the FBI doesnt regard the videos as evidence imnplicating OBL.

Conspiracies do happen...Watergate?

the neocons get down and bless their luck that the US is populated by people like u.

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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OBL died late 2001....thats why weve not heard from him on the tapes.

See my thread on this.

You faith in the neocons and their official conspiracy theory needs reexamination.

who exactly runs 911Myths?

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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Yeah Tom it was too obvious when Fox News was quick to blame 9/11 truth within an hr of the wacko doing what he did.

Obviously they were waiting for something like this to help them discredit them. It's the same 'Guilt by association' tactic you sheeple pull here to attempt discredit an opponent before they've even said anything.
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"This organization, like so many murderous governments throughout history, would see the sacrifice of thousands of its citizens, in an event such as the September 11 attacks, as a small cost in order to perpetuate its barbaric control." - J. Patrick Bedell, 25 November 2006

So, someone from Fox News, posing as J. Patrick Bedell, recorded that and posted the transcript to his blog over three years before the shooting?

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[–] briansouter 14 years ago

would you bekieve al qadeda if they said they were fake? Much more pertinent are independent esperts in europe...they claim the tapes are fake.

AS ive shown...sorry that it embarrasses a naieve fool like youself.

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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[–] CKent2 14 years ago

just the embarrassing fact that the FBI page on OBL has no mention of 9-11.

9/11 isn't mentioned on his 10 most wanted page. But that's just because he hasn't been indicted for the 9/11 crimes. See here:

"David N. Kelley, the former U.S. attorney in New York who oversaw terrorism cases when bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings there in 1998, said he is not at all surprised by the lack of a reference to Sept. 11 on the official wanted poster. Kelley said the issue is a matter of legal restrictions and the need to be fair to any defendant.

"It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006 082700687.html

Why hasn't Bin Laden been indicted? To indict Bin Laden formally for the 9/11 attacks would require presenting evidence in a court of law; such evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11 would include intelligence sources, and Al-Qaeda detainees. Making such sources (and methods) publicly known, perhaps isn't advised. In the Zacarias Moussaoui case, a big deal was made over access to detainee witnesses and about handling evidence from other intelligence sources.

In all, the 9/11 attacks were viewed as an "act of war", and the U.S. government is responding accordingly. During the Clinton administration, terrorism was handled more as a matter of law enforcement. This change in how terrorism is handled may be yet another reason why the U.S. government has not bothered to formally indict Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Bin_Laden's_FBI_Ten_Most_Wanted_p oster

OBL never admitted doing 9-11...thats whay you have the fake videos...DUH!

What about all the other occasions he referenced 9/11? I'm not just talking about the "fake" video. In an interview by Al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda, Ramzi Binalshibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed admit responsibility for 9/11, and describe their planning. These interviews were audiotaped, and segments broadcast on Al Jazeera.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/08/60II/main524794.shtml

Or this statement by Bin Laden in March of 2003... "because of the way they oppress us in the Muslim world, especially in Palestine and Iraq, and because of their occupation of the Land of the Two Holy Places... the Mujahideen... decided to act in secret and to move the battle right into his [the U.S. president's] country and his own territory.

They carried out the raid by means of enemy planes in a courageous and splendid operation the like of which mankind had never before witnessed. They smashed the American idols and damaged its very heart, the Pentagon. They struck the very heart of the American economy, rubbed America's nose in the dirt and dragged its pride through the mud. The towers of New York collapsed, and their collapse precipitated an even greater debacle: the collapse of the myth of America the great power and the collapse of the myth of democracy; people began to understand that American values could sink no lower. The myth of the land of freedom was destroyed, the myth of American National security was smashed and the myth of the CIA collapsed, all praise and thanks to Allah."

What about this statement made by Bin Laden in October of 2004... "I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind..."

"And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children."
http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/1964.cfm

That the videos are fake were shown ages ago.

Okay... let's look at your sight and see what proof there is, shall we?

I'm going to pick a few lines and examine them... firstly, one of the biggest points made is in regards to Bin Laden's health. Your site says he looks too healthy in the November 9 video. Too healthy? How can one's health be determined from watching them in a grainy video? It can't. Many conspiracy theorists say Bin Laden was suffering from renal failure and went to Dubai in 2000 for treatment. Even this can't be determined. Bin Laden himself in a November 2001 interview denied he had any kidney trouble. "My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year."

It also mentioned his beard color is wrong. Well, it looks pretty darn close to me, especially considering the lousy lighting in the video.

Also, the site says, "The poor image quality of video #3 stands out when compared to the genuine bin Laden videos. There is also excessive noise on the video's audio track, making it impossible to really hear what is being said. Given that the tape was recorded in an area supposedly devoid of audio urban signature there should have been little ambient noise, yet the speech is masked with a great deal of noise." (emphasis my own)

How can this site determine that this area of Jalalabad shouldn't be noisy? Where's the proof that where this tape was found is a quiet little hamlet in a busy city? This isn't proof at all.

And even if you accept that it is proof, are you really shocked that the poor image quality is coupled with poor audio quality. Why is this shocking? It was a crappy video with crappy audio and is supposed to be evidence of a fake? Of course not.

But to the patriot, there can nneve be any convincing proof.

I agree. The conspiracy theorist can never be shown that he is wrong. He is far too stubborn to learn critical thinking.

Conspiracies do happen...Watergate?

No one ever said conspiracies couldn't happen.

the neocons get down and bless their luck that the US is populated by people like u.

You realize the country is currently being led by a liberal democrat, right? He's pretty far from being a "neocon."

fire proofing is simply for insurance purposes only...fire can't melt steel -Uglytheclown

[–] briansouter 14 years ago

so you admit OBL neve indited for 9-11...due to lack of evidence...BUT US felt kit had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan, even tho the Afghan govt said if they had evidence OBL did 9-11, theyd turn him over....

The US govt never did provide that evidence...

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

[–] CKent2 14 years ago

so you admit OBL neve indited for 9-11

Sure.

due to lack of evidence

Uh no. Not what I said. Go back and reread.

fire proofing is simply for insurance purposes only...fire can't melt steel -Uglytheclown

[–] briansouter 14 years ago

you need to be better informed, or less susceptible to the neocon lies

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

[–] CKent2 14 years ago

you need to be better informed

I'm quite well informed as my sources would indicate.

less susceptible to the neocon lies

And you should learn to think critically and not believe every conspiracy site you see.

fire proofing is simply for insurance purposes only...fire can't melt steel -Uglytheclown

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[–] UglytheClown 14 years ago

Where you been since i proved you wrong? Nevermind...

bin Laden said he didn't do it (but of course he'd be arrested if he said he did)... but the video that they say proves he did it only has him "praising" the attacks, not CLAIMING them as his own.

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[–] UglytheClown 14 years ago

Clown, who on earth are you talking to? I mean, besides yourself.

Have you ever NOT lost an argument on here? []
dude no one has ever beat me, you can't beat the truth

now if you could stick to the bin Laden video this'll go smoothly

knightc6 official stalker of UglyTheClown

[–] Ddey65 8 years ago

dude no one has ever beat me, you can't beat the truth

And yet, you insist on trying to do just that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVC4JBjtEE

[–] UglytheClown 8 years ago

And yet, you insist on trying to do just that.
No, I present the truth, it's you that attacks it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVC4JBjtEE
At no point in this (subtitled) video is there any mention of guilt.

AND AGAIN: even if tomorrorw a video was found of him saying "Hey, I planned it" this doesn't mean he did it as it the official story is imposible by the laws of physics. At best it would be a case of him planning it, CIA/MOSSAD becoming aware of it and secretly working to make sure it had maximum impact by planting their own bombs and allowing things to go 'according to plan'.

Planes can not take out buildings.

STAR WARS EPISODE VIII FALL OF THE RESISTANCE

[–] Ddey65 8 years ago

No, I present the truth,

No you don't because you don't care about the truth.

it's you that attacks it.

What I attack is the SO-CALLED "9/11 truth" movement. It's sad that you still don't know the difference.

At no point in this (subtitled) video is there any mention of guilt.

Evidently the mention of his "19 brothers" means nothing to you.

AND AGAIN: even if tomorrorw a video was found of him saying "Hey, I planned it" this doesn't mean he did it as it the official story is imposible by the laws of physics.

No, because it IS NOT impossible according to the laws of physics.

Planes can not take out buildings.

Planes smaller than that used to take out allied Naval vessels! Basic history, Clown!

[–] UglytheClown 8 years ago

No you don't because you don't care about the truth.
Yes I do, that's why I prsent it.

What I attack is the SO-CALLED "9/11 truth" movement. It's sad that you still don't know the difference.
... between truth and fiction? nope, that's still you.

Evidently the mention of his "19 brothers" means nothing to you.
Refering to the accused as 'broithers' isn't saying he did it, let alone BRAGGING about it, as you claim.

No, because it IS NOT impossible according to the laws of physics.
YES. IT. IS. Go back to school.

Planes smaller than that used to take out allied Naval vessels! Basic history, Clown!
and Naval vessals ARE NOT BUILDINGS you insane tit.

STAR WARS EPISODE VIII FALL OF THE RESISTANCE

[–] Ddey65 8 years ago

Yes I do, that's why I prsent it.

No, you don't. What you present is the lies of the SO-CALLED "9/11 truth" cults.

Refering to the accused as 'broithers' isn't saying he did it, let alone BRAGGING about it, as you claim.

Their membership in the organization, and the money that was wired to them by Al-Qaida does.

YES. IT. IS. Go back to school.

No it isn't. Quite confusing propaganda with education.

and Naval vessals ARE NOT BUILDINGS you insane tit.

You're right. They're stronger, because they're armored.

[–] UglytheClown 7 years ago

No, you don't. What you present is the lies of the SO-CALLED "9/11 truth" cults.
No cult. All truth. All facts.

Their membership in the organization, and the money that was wired to them by Al-Qaida does.
'Membership' in such an organization then being accused of a crime doesn't mean guilt. Learn English. And money wired to them doesn't prove guilt. It's funny you ignore money 'they' wired BACK 

No it isn't. Quite confusing propaganda with education.
That would be you. Just because you don't understand the facts put forth to educate ou, doesn't mean it's propganda.

You're right. They're stronger, because they're armored.
Jesus Christ you're a retard. For starters, it depends on the type of building AND it doesn't make you right, you insane fool.

STAR WARS EPISODE VIII FALL OF THE RESISTANCE

[–] Ddey65 7 years ago

No cult. All truth. All facts.

No, it IS a cult with NO truth or facts. It's a complete historical revision of how the attacks occurred.

'Membership' in such an organization then being accused of a crime doesn't mean guilt.

Wiring money and material so they can carry out the crime does.

That would be you. Just because you don't understand the facts put forth to educate ou, doesn't mean it's propganda.

Oh, but I do understand it and they're NOT facts.

Jesus Christ you're a retard. For starters, it depends on the type of building AND it doesn't make you right, you insane fool.

Your average skyscraper isn't built with the mindset that it's going to be used as a target for kamikaze attacks with hijacked airplanes. It's not even built with the mindset that it's going to be attacked in conventional warfare. Battleships and tanks are!

And one other thing, FU for making the IMDb administrators decide to delete all message boards!

[–] UglytheClown 7 years ago

No, it IS a cult with NO truth or facts. It's a complete historical revision of how the attacks occurred.
No cults. Just truth. Revisio of the official lie.

Wiring money and material so they can carry out the crime does.
Activism is not a crime.

Oh, but I do understand it and they're NOT facts
You don't understand and they are facts.

Your average skyscraper isn't built with the mindset that it's going to be used as a target for kamikaze attacks with hijacked airplanes.
Averag building doesn't mean squat... and the towers WERE built with a plane hitting in mind

It's not even built with the mindset that it's going to be attacked in conventional warfare. Battleships and tanks are! [red]
Officially wrong.

[red]And one other thing, FU for making the IMDb administrators decide to delete all message boards
WTF? You think I got IMDb to delete meessage boards? You simpleton.
Ironic too being as you had my posts deleted years ago.

[–] Ddey65 7 years ago

No cults. Just truth. Revisio of the official lie.

They are cults and there is no "official lie." Your revision(s) are the lies. You lie about who's responsible, planes used, you lie about the severity of the fires, you lie about the causes of the collapses, you lie about the manner of the collapses, and you lie about the aftermath of the collapse.

Activism is not a crime.

Hijacking airplanes and using them as kamikaze weapons is not "activism." It's an act of war. It's an act of mass murder against innocent people.

You don't understand and they are facts.

I DO understand, and they're not!

Averag building doesn't mean squat...

It means everything, because they're not built for war!

and the towers WERE built with a plane hitting in mind

Flying in a fog at low speeds, not deliberately being rammed by psychopaths hell bent on martyrdom.

WTF? You think I got IMDb to delete meessage boards?

You and every other BS enemy propagandist. At the very least you're a major contributing factor.

[–] UglytheClown 7 years ago

They are cults
no cults

and there is no "official lie."
official story is a lie and therefore the official lie

Your revision(s) are the lies.
nope, bt pointing out the facts tha don't fit the official story, therefore showing it to be a lie

You lie about who's responsible,
nope, the government lies abot who was responsible, we expose those actually respnsible

planes used,
nope, we show evidence that points to probable different plane having been used

you lie about the severity of the fires,
nope, we show how the fires were not as bad as you people parrot from the goverent and shows how certain fires couldn't get as higfh as the were said to have been

you lie about the causes of the collapses,
nope, we show how the advertised collapse is impossible

you lie about the manner of the collapses,
see above

and you lie about the aftermath of the collapse.
... wtf? 

Hijacking airplanes and using them as kamikaze weapons is not "activism."
You idiot, you said WE were criminals, and I said 'activism is not a crime'

It's an act of war. It's an act of mass murder against innocent people.
see above

I DO understand, and they're not!
they are facts, you just can't handle them due to brain damage and a lack of education

It means everything, because they're not built for war!
the towers WERE built for a plae impacting (and I know you know this)

Flying in a fog at low speeds, not deliberately being rammed by psychopaths hell bent on martyrdom.
the speed was never mentioned and deliberate or not, the result is STILL THE SAME (a pane hitting)

You and every other BS enemy propagandist. At the very least you're a major contributing factor.
no bitch, your side is the one starting the war of words, its you guys thats getting them taken down

[–] MasterShake_2015 7 years ago

When I want to know all about structural engineering I always ask a bi-curious failed script writer who's woman dumped him for another gal.

Matt Mosley, Causing one woman at a time to swear off males through mere contact.

[–] UglytheClown 7 years ago

When I want to know all about structural engineering I always ask a bi-curious failed script writer who's woman dumped him for another gal.
Said the convicted sex offender who linked a rent boy website 

[–] Ddey65 7 years ago

no cults

They are.

official story is a lie and therefore the official lie

There's no such thing as an "official lie" because the SO-CALLED "official story" ISN'T a lie.

nope, bt pointing out the facts tha don't fit the official story, therefore showing it to be a lie

You people don't point out any facts. You spread lies.

nope, the government lies abot who was responsible, we expose those actually respnsible

No, you make straight-up false accusations, which means YOU lie about who was responsible!

nope, we show evidence that points to probable different plane having been used

Your so-called "evidence" is just another fraud!

nope, we show how the fires were not as bad as you people parrot from the goverent and shows how certain fires couldn't get as higfh as the were said to have been

ANOTHER fraudulent claim on your part, because the evidence completely contradicts it!

nope, we show how the advertised collapse is impossible

Which is another lie!

see above

STILL another lie! You dimwits insist they fell straight down into their's own footprints at free fall speeds (or near free fall, or faster than free fall depending on what kinds of moods you're in), when it fact they didn't fall as fast, and landed on surrounding buildings.

... wtf?

Let me remind you; It's the standard false twoofer accusation that it was all sent off to Red China before anybody could investigate, when in reality it was sent off to Fresh Kills Landfill and investigated there, not to mention the fact that it was reused for building ships and other materials, and paraded around in exhibits throughout the country.

they are facts, you just can't handle them due to brain damage and a lack of education

They're NOT facts, and you refuse to face this due to blind anti-American sentiment, and a false sense of intellectual rebellion.

the towers WERE built for a plae impacting (and I know you know this)

A slower and smaller one lost in fog. Most pilots would've flown out of the way before hitting them. Mohammed Atta didn't. Marwan al-Shehhi didn't.

the speed was never mentioned and deliberate or not, the result is STILL THE SAME

A much larger plane deliberately flown at a higher speed does have more of an impact.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080618000142/http://www.graingerchallenge.org/nae/bridgecom.nsf/0754c87f163f599e85256cca00588f49/85256e8d00838af385256f2a004578e3/$FILE/Bridge-v32n1.pdf

[–] UglytheClown 7 years ago

They are.
no cults

There's no such thing as an "official lie" because the SO-CALLED "official story" ISN'T a lie.
...official story is a lie and therefore the official lie

You people don't point out any facts. You spread lies.
no, we point to facta that contradict ythe oficial story you 'know' which hurts your brain and causes denial.

No, you make straight-up false accusations, which means YOU lie about who was responsible!no, we point out the facts the government has the media hide that exposes their lie and crime

No, you make straight-up false accusations, which means YOU lie about who was responsible!
no, we prove how it couldn't have happened, how it therefore had t happen and who it would take to make it happen and therefore who was in on it. Simples 

Your so-called "evidence" is just another fraud!
the only fraud is the oficial story

ANOTHER fraudulent claim on your part, because the evidence completely contradicts it!
nope, we show how the fires were not as bad as you people parrot from the goverent and shows how certain fires couldn't get as higfh as the were said to have been

Which is another lie!
nope, we show how the advertised collapse is impossible

STILL another lie! You dimwits insist they fell straight down into their's own footprints at free fall speeds (or near free fall, or faster than free fall depending on what kinds of moods you're in), when it fact they didn't fall as fast, and landed on surrounding buildings.
straight into the path of most resisistance (expect tower 2) at near free-fall (wtc7 experiencing some freefall, which is impossible without mass being removed in advance)

Let me remind you; It's the standard false twoofer accusation that it was all sent off to Red China before anybody could investigate,I wasn't talking about China... but as you bring it up... metal WAS shipped to China (to the lowest bidder) o be turned into paperclips and soda cans)

when in reality it was sent off to Fresh Kills Landfill and investigated there,
for a few weeks at best TO B STORED 

not to mention the fact that it was reused for building ships and other materials, and paraded around in exhibits throughout the country.
a few parts were usd for such things, the rest was paper clips and soda cans

They're NOT facts, and you refuse to face this due to blind anti-American sentiment, and a false sense of intellectual rebellion.
no, they ARE facts and you refusal to see them for what they are and call them 'anti-American setiment' is due to the fact that you have been brainwashed into believing it could never happen in your country

A slower and smaller one lost in fog. Most pilots would've flown out of the way before hitting them. Mohammed Atta didn't. Marwan al-Shehhi didn't.
slightly smaller plane, sure... but designed to full brace of a plane no less

A much larger plane deliberately flown at a higher speed does have more of an impact.
oh my God you got something right 🙌 ... mostly ... deliberatley makes no change as planes only fly in a straight line

http://web.archive.org/web/20080618000142/http://www.graingerchallenge.org/nae/bridgecom.nsf/0754c87f163f599e85256cca00588f49/85256e8d00838af385256f2a004578e3/$FILE/Bridge-v32n1.pdf
Dude, don't act like you've actually read this, let alone that you could understand it. This link is like me linking a A&E9/11 paper.

[–] Ddey65 7 years ago

...official story is a lie and therefore the official lie

The so-called "official story" is not the lie. The "9/11 truth" cults are.

no, we point to facta that contradict ythe oficial story you 'know' which hurts your brain and causes denial.

Except that my brain isn't hurt, and you don't point to any facts.

no, we point out the facts the government has the media hide that exposes their lie and crime

You people point out NO facts.

no, we prove how it couldn't have happened,

You proved nothing, except that you want to deny Al-Qaida was responsible.

the only fraud is the oficial story

No, the frauds are the hundreds of cockamamie conspiracy fairy tales, including yours, Clown.

nope, we show how the fires were not as bad as you people parrot from the goverent

No, you've CLAIMED the fires weren't that bad and couldn't get that high, and all that other BS, when the evidence clearly shows the opposite, just like all your other claims about the attacks.

nope, we show how the advertised collapse is impossible

See above.

straight into the path of most resisistance (expect tower 2) at near free-fall (wtc7 experiencing some freefall, which is impossible without mass being removed in advance)

Total BS, because none of the buildings fell even NEAR free fall speed. As for the "mass removal," that tends to happen when huge chunks of a taller skyscraper plows through it.

I wasn't talking about China... but as you bring it up... metal WAS shipped to China (to the lowest bidder) o be turned into paperclips and soda cans)

Another myth you twoofers love to spew.

for a few weeks at best TO B STORED

Sorted for INVESTIGATION, that is. If they US Army had found explosives or bombs, they would have said so. They didn't.

no, they ARE facts and you refusal to see them for what they are and call them 'anti-American setiment' is due to the fact that you have been brainwashed into believing it could never happen in your country

No, they're NOT facts, and the clear evidence that it's anti-American propaganda has nothing to do with any perceived "brainwashing" you think I might've gone under.

slightly smaller plane, sure... but designed to full brace of a plane no less

Commercial airliners would've flown out of the way too. They don't want to crash into skyscrapers. The hijackers who took over Flights 11 and 175 did.

Dude, don't act like you've actually read this, let alone that you could understand it. This link is like me linking a A&E9/11 paper.

Gee, that's funny. Internet Archives was giving me a link to the National Academy of Engineers, not some twoofer splinter faction founded by a gullible architect who fell for the lies of David Ray Griffin, and repeats them with the addition of pseudo-science.

Did you read this part though?

The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK or at Newark.

How about this?

To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that circumstance. Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to control the effects of such fires.

[–] UglytheClown 7 years ago

The so-called "official story" is not the lie. The "9/11 truth" cults are.
official story is a lie and therefore the official lie

Except that my brain isn't hurt, and you don't point to any facts.i point t facts and you get angry, raising your blood pressure and hurting your brain

You people point out NO facts.
we point out the facts the government has the media hide that exposes their lie and crime

You proved nothing, except that you want to deny Al-Qaida was responsible.
Al-Qaeda couldn't carry out what we saw take place that day, we prove how it couldn't have happened,

No, the frauds are the hundreds of cockamamie conspiracy fairy tales, including yours, Clown.
I present no theories, just facts that point you down the rabbit hole that leads to truth

No, you've CLAIMED the fires weren't that bad and couldn't get that high, and all that other BS, when the evidence clearly shows the opposite, just like all your other claims about the attacks.
no, all evidence shows the fires were not as big or hot as you peole they they were, and the fires could not hasve gotten so hot

See above.
see above

Total BS, because none of the buildings fell even NEAR free fall speed.
freefall for the towers = 9.23 seconds
WTC1 'fell' in 11.5 seconds
WTC2 'fell' in 10.5 seconds
WTC7 'fell' in 6.5 seconds (freefall was experienced and admitted by NIST, and total freefall would have been 5.9 seconds

As for the "mass removal," that tends to happen when huge chunks of a taller skyscraper plows through it.
No idiot, mass needs to be removed FIRST in order to gain feefall as something standing in the path of destruction creates RESISTANCE! In orer to achieve freefall, NOTHING can stand in its way or it slows down.

Another myth you twoofers love to spew.
not a myth, paperclips and soda cans, lowest bidder, China,

Sorted for INVESTIGATION, that is. If they US Army had found explosives or bombs, they would have said so. They didn't.
THEY DIDN'T SEARCH FOR IT! There was no investigation,it was a closed scene.

No, they're NOT facts, and the clear evidence that it's anti-American propaganda has nothing to do with any perceived "brainwashing" you think I might've gone under.
they ARE facts and you refusal to see them for what they are and call them 'anti-American setiment' is due to the fact that you have been brainwashed into believing it could never happen in your country

slightly smaller plane, sure... but designed to full brace of a plane no less

Commercial airliners would've flown out of the way too. They don't want to crash into skyscrapers. The hijackers who took over Flights 11 and 175 did.

this is not a response to what i said, its random

Gee, that's funny. Internet Archives was giving me a link to the National Academy of Engineers,
AE911 is made up of engineers, you pleb. When trying to prove the goernment is telling the truth, you can't point to a paper funded BY th government as THEY are the accused here.

not some twoofer splinter faction founded by a gullible architect who fell for the lies of David Ray Griffin, and repeats them with the addition of pseudo-science.
bitch, 3,000 architcts and engineers, stop actinglike this is all off the back of 1 guy listening to another, and David Ray Griffin is the best source of information on the subject, don't act like you come close to his knowledge

I'd love to see you take an I.Q test.

Did you read this part though?
65pages? I didn't read any of it.

The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK or at Newark.
I already know abou the dam speeds. It doesn't change the fact that there were designed to take the impact of a plane.

How about this?

To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that circumstance.
So they imagined a plane hitting and prepared for it.... but didn't think about jet fuel?  very believable 

Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to control the effects of such fires.
Another lie, the official story (lie) says all the fireproofing for the steel take off (imposible to know) when the planes hit the towers.

Also, fireproofing is required in EVERY skyscraper.

[–] briansouter 14 years ago

youre right..jews didnt blow up the WTC with energy beams....the zionists used explosives...residues were found in the dancing israelis vehicles....they also used Thermate....

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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[–] briansouter 14 years ago

well, when we have a REAL and independentvinvestigation and find the perpetrators, then we will know

'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying

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