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Should be called, 'Jimmy Carter, Man of Peace'


because the word "Peace" is spoken over and over and over, like a drum beat. It is the theme of this movie and we are brought back to it regularly as Carter is heard repeatedly saying the word as he calls for peace in the world, peace in our relationships, and peace within ourselves. He is shown and describes the frustrating and almost unsuccessful ordeal he experienced negotiating the Peace Agreement between Egypt's Anwar Sadat and Israel's Menachim Begin. He is shown accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. Peace... peace... peace... Carter lives for it and breathes for it. Day in, day out, at conferences and book signings, in cars and on planes, it is what he talks of and works for, tirelessly and to exhaustion. He is moved to tears by young people who come to learn how to create peace at the Carter Center, and he speaks sadly but without temper about being called "a liar" and other names as he goes about the work of encouraging peace between Israel and Palestine. Bob Dylan wrote, "Don't hate nothin' at all except hatred." Jimmy Carter embodies this philosophy. Demme's film accomplishes the task of showing us not just the Man from Plains, but also a remarkable Man of Peace. If your political beliefs make you feel angry as you watch, I recommend that you watch it again... and again... and again... as often as is necessary, until you get the message of this movie. Peace.

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It is apparent Carters' goal here IS peace.

I think speaking the truth is a beginning. I support Israel but that doesn't mean their policies in the past have been wise or correct. To simply point out these faults in NOT anti-Israeli! I agree that Americans have very little knowledge on what is really going on over there.

Jimmy Carter deserves credit for raising this topic for discussion.



“To accept injustice is cowardice.” ---Gandhi

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I'm sorry to say that I can't compete with the intelectual capibilities of most of the people posting here, but on an emotional level I have to say that I respect President Carter for what he has tried to do for this world.

The part of this film that struck me most was during the end credits where they showed the footage of President Carter riding through the streets of Cairo with Sadat and the streets are lined with Muslim peoples cheering and waving American flags. They seemed so genuinely happy.

It's hard to believe that all this back and forth hatred has come to be in just a few short decades. There was such hope at one point. That footage spoke volumes about a potential for peace and goodwill which I hope is still possible. President Carter has dedicated his life to such ideals and I respect him for that very much.

Thanks.

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Well said!

“To accept injustice is cowardice.” ---Gandhi

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The part of this film that struck me most was during the end credits where they showed the footage of President Carter riding through the streets of Cairo with Sadat and the streets are lined with Muslim peoples cheering and waving American flags. They seemed so genuinely happy.

Why not! Thanks to Carter, since 1979, Egypt has received about $50 billion in total economic and military foreign aid from the United States.


"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." - A.E. Van Vogt

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carter's presidency ended in 1980 ,thats 1 year since 1979 , and since then repubs have been in office 20 of the 30 years yet you blame carter for egypt receiving 50 bil , wow , either u r disingenious or delibertely attempting to mislead the readers , either way shame on you , u r not an honorable person, i would not want your karma brother ,

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President Carter agreed to pay Israel and Egypt substantial (i.e. billions) in ongoing economic aid, military aid, and political support indefinitely. Congress is responsible for funding that aid. Both Democrats and Republicans in Congress have generally funded the provisions of treaties made by past presidents. It would be extremely problematic for any president to attempt to renegotiate such a treaty.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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now i know ur being malicious , the president does not have the power to spend or make agreements to spend , only congress does, he may veto that which he does not approve . but he did not and can not say here is 50 million dollars , u seem smart quoting milton friedman and all but since you are smart i can only conclude u r dishonest and im not sure which is worse ignorance or dishonesty , no thats not true , dishonesty is worse, shame on you ,

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now i know ur being malicious , the president does not have the power to spend or make agreements to spend , only congress does, he may veto that which he does not approve . but he did not and can not say here is 50 million dollars , u seem smart quoting milton friedman and all but since you are smart i can only conclude u r dishonest and im not sure which is worse ignorance or dishonesty , no thats not true , dishonesty is worse, shame on you ,

The President is responsible for negotiating treaties with foreign governments. However, Congress is responsible for ratifying treaties and funding their provisions.

You can thank President Carter and his Democratic Congress for the treaty. And you can be sure that ballpark monetary figures were agreed between President Carter and Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin at the expense of the American people. The Jews would never give up lands they believe God gave them and Muslims would never pause their time-honored tradition of cutting throats unless the American taxpayer paid them both one hell of a lot of money.

You should not limit your perception to what you've already decided to believe. I stated very clearly that Congress is responsible for funding.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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my friend if u want to give credit to carter and the democratic congress for negotiating peace b/t isreal and egypt i will gladly take that. as we have seen w/ health care congress may repeal those things that that their predecesesor have voted for , had the repubs wished to repeal the funding which you say the dems voted for they certainly could have but maybe the repubs see that the camp david accord cannnot just be measured in dollars and cents , rather the americas standing in the world to bring peace w/o firing a bullet was worthy of the nobel peace prize , w/ peace b/t egypt and isreal brought the possibilty that there could be peace w/ other arab states , and what is that worth in dollars and cents ? u tell me 50 billion was too much to pay for that what would u pay for that ? whaat is ur cut off point 100 million ? 50 million ? nothing ,? screw them let them fight it out which then would draw us in anyways ? and then how much would that cost? also quoting from your first post u never mention congress as the reason for the 50 billion spent. lastly 50 billion over 30 years whats that work out to 1 and 1/2 bil a year , call me old fashion thats not a bad deal . lastly thank u for being civil , here is ur quote , no mention of congress , unless i missed it in your original post which got this discussionm rolling


Why not! Thanks to Carter, since 1979, Egypt has received about $50 billion in total economic and military foreign aid from the United States

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Unquestionably, the bipartisan policy of funding Israel and Egypt has benefits. Egypt is the premier Arab country. The USA generally has good relations with Mubarak. And Egypt has a strong interest in promoting friendly relations with the West. Sadat (once the hero of the Arab world) himself paid the ultimate price for Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel.

Israel itself acts as an excellent power counterbalance to Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, etc.

However, it’s important to look at cost-benefit analysis. The $50 billion to Egypt, the $100 billion to Israel, the $billions to Palestinians, brought limited peace between the primary belligerents on status-quo terms. However, Egyptians (and Arabs generally) still cultivate hatred for Jews. And Palestinians celebrated 9/11 by dancing in the streets.

Perhaps, if these people had to work harder just for survival, they would have less time to plot evil against us?

Perhaps, the $billions could have been spent better within the USA?

Perhaps, supporting the Israeli military-industrial complex has mixed benefits for the world?

Unfortunately, it would be difficult to wean away this American taxpayer funded entitlement from either Egypt or Israel due to international relations.

However, this entitlement is certainly better spent than some other foreign policy forays, e.g. the occupation of Iraq and the endless war in Afghanistan.

The war in Iraq brought tangible benefits (the destruction of Saddam and the freedom of the Kurds). But the Peace in Iraq has been a nightmare in terms of lives, treasure, the resurgence of Iran, and China signing oil agreements with Iraq.

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Once government mandated health care insurance becomes an entitlement forcing dependency upon enough people, then that would also be difficult to wean away. Already, some on the left such as Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee declare that her constituents will die if they lose their entitlement. She even declares that federally funded healthcare is somehow a Constitutional Right!

Perhaps, if these people had to work harder just for survival, they would have less time to believe such nonsensical ideas?

Of course, once the American economy collapses due to massive debt spending. Then nobody will get anything. Certainly, China has zero interest in funding either Middle East Peace entitlements or health care entitlements.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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then maybe i should apoligize , when you said thanks to carter i thought you were being sarcastic , i didn't think you really were thanking him , secondly while you say Palestinians were dancing in the streets after 9/11 . R u sure ? this is from the bbc on sept 14 ,01

during Friday prayers Muslim clerics in the Arab world have strongly condemned Tuesday's attacks in America.

It's not courage in any way to kill an innocent person, or to kill thousands of people, including men and women and children

Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi
Syria's most senior Islamic leader described the attacks on America as a terrorist act, as ignoble as what he called the state terrorism practised by Israel.

Hundreds of Palestinians also rallied in the West Bank city of Ramallah to show support for Americans killed in the attacks, as well as condemn Israeli killing of Palestinians in Jenin.

And in Iran, Tehran's main football stadium observed an unprecedented minute's silence in sympathy with the victims.

i know your smart L but be sincere w/ your analysis , maybe some palistians did dance in the streets on 9/11 i didn't read that and this article seems to suggest your mistaken but let me ask you this if obama was killed do you think that there would be people on the right who would celebrate by dancing in the streets ? i think we both know the answer to that question, ignorance is every where , even and i should say particularly in america ,

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I was moderately sarcastic about President Carter’s buying peace at American expense. But I certainly do NOT especially blame President Carter for foreign policy standards followed by both Republicans and Democrats.

American appeasement policy reminds me how the late Roman Empire repeatedly bought peace from increasingly hostile and aggressive barbarian tribes.

Yes, Muslim governments (except Iraq) generally officially “condemned” the 9/11 attack. I believe those events you mentioned genuinely expressed sympathy from some common Muslims. However, simultaneously, Muslims and the Left generally blame the USA for the 9/11 attack. And according to polls of Muslims, Osama Bin Laden enjoys some support from about half of Muslims.

Ironically, the very American working men and women who were murdered on 9/11 paid the taxes that supported the very Palestinians so gleeful over their deaths.

The anger and hatred of Islam towards the USA and Israel is NOT fundamentally a matter of ‘ignorance’. It’s a matter of historical hatred and anger towards the West + displaced modern anger and hatred towards the USA and Israel, whom they blame for all their problems. This is primarily because Muslims have no other safe target to express anger for their perpetual poverty, their chronic lack of marriageable women, their corrupt authoritarian governments, and because the USA and Israel exemplify the wealth and power that Muslims want for themselves.

This is what I meant by Palestinians dancing in the streets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

Invincible ignorance is a worldwide phenomenon due to the universal truth that people tend to believe what serves them.

If President Obama were assassinated, I doubt very much if there would be cheering from the Right except by the most extreme nut-heads. However, if Sarah Palin or one of her children were harmed, the Leftist rank-and-file mob would gloat for years. This is because the Left feels enormous anger and hatred for Sarah Palin because she exemplifies a conservative way of life (especially for not aborting her child). The Left projects its own negative emotions onto conservatives.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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ur last point first , i think that dick chenny is an evil man but i would never celebrate his death , im part cuban , and when katrina hit america were you aware that the cuban goverment had a moment of silennce for those effected by katrina , now it doesn't get any further left than that yet they put their political difference aside and saw us as fellow humans in need , do you think that the repubs in congress would have a moment of silence for cuba if they had a katrina , so then u tell me who is more compassionate? iran had a moment of silence for america after 9/11 , would american's feel that they should have a moment of silence if 3000 iranians were killed in terrist act? we are a great country but we have made mistakes and enemys . was attacking iraq who had nothing to do w/ 9/11 and killing innocent women and children the right thing to do? r we blameless , and if not then stand in their shoes , and u tell me if u would not rejoice when the bully gets whats coming to them . we , all americans have blood on our hands , th3e blood of the innicent that u cannot dispute .
carter wrote his book not b/c he hates jews rather he as a humantarian sees the injustice of palistine . its ur party that supports sarah palin , thats why ur party will loose . she is dumb my friend and she ius an embarressment for america but its ur party tthat supports her regardless of lies she tells such as the bridge to know where , the lefts pronlem w/ the rt is that the rt tend to be hypocrits. support life yet deny health care , you explain how those two are consistant . SP is a fool , and those americans who support her are equally foolish , if repubs were not hypocrits burn your medicare card , refuse to accept social swcurty then i would believe what you say . actions always speak louder than words , her child was on dwts . she had a baby out of wedlock and u rejocye and cheer for her , where is the shame for u good christian people ? i hope sp wins the repub nomination . she is a quiter , a horrible mother and her ethics as a governor have been scrutinized , thats why she quit. now u compare her to whaat carter has given to america and then u tell me if they shoud ever be mentioned in the same breath
b/t/w that fox footage of palitians celebrating looks very suspect and if thats all u got to blame an entire population then i have overestamated ur intelligence

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ur last point first , i think that dick chenny is an evil man but i would never celebrate his death , im part cuban , and when katrina hit america were you aware that the cuban goverment had a moment of silennce for those effected by katrina , now it doesn't get any further left than that yet they put their political difference aside and saw us as fellow humans in need , do you think that the repubs in congress would have a moment of silence for cuba if they had a katrina , so then u tell me who is more compassionate? iran had a moment of silence for america after 9/11 , would american's feel that they should have a moment of silence if 3000 iranians were killed in terrist act? we are a great country but we have made mistakes and enemys . was attacking iraq who had nothing to do w/ 9/11 and killing innocent women and children the right thing to do? r we blameless , and if not then stand in their shoes , and u tell me if u would not rejoice when the bully gets whats coming to them . we , all americans have blood on our hands , th3e blood of the innicent that u cannot dispute .
carter wrote his book not b/c he hates jews rather he as a humantarian sees the injustice of palistine . its ur party that supports sarah palin , thats why ur party will loose . she is dumb my friend and she ius an embarressment for america but its ur party tthat supports her regardless of lies she tells such as the bridge to know where , the lefts pronlem w/ the rt is that the rt tend to be hypocrits. support life yet deny health care , you explain how those two are consistant . SP is a fool , and those americans who support her are equally foolish , if repubs were not hypocrits burn your medicare card , refuse to accept social swcurty then i would believe what you say . actions always speak louder than words , her child was on dwts . she had a baby out of wedlock and u rejocye and cheer for her , where is the shame for u good christian people ? i hope sp wins the repub nomination . she is a quiter , a horrible mother and her ethics as a governor have been scrutinized , thats why she quit. now u compare her to whaat carter has given to america and then u tell me if they shoud ever be mentioned in the same breath
b/t/w that fox footage of palitians celebrating looks very suspect and if thats all u got to blame an entire population then i have overestamated ur intelligence

English is evidently not your first language, so I’ll take it easy on you. I’m amazed that a Cuban American would accept nice gestures from Castro’s communist government that has horrifically oppressed Cubans for the past half century. Most Cuban Americans are much wiser than you. They do not praise empty gestures from their mortal enemy.

If you disagree with Cheney or Palin on policy – that is your right. But instead of attacking someone's family or calling them ‘stupid’ or ‘evil’ - why the hell don’t you actually address their opinions on policy issues? Honest debate would require you having to actually study the issues instead of cultivating vague hatred and anger.

Why do you imagine that Good Christian people would condemn Sarah Palin or her daughter for having a child out of wedlock? They both certainly regret the whole situation. Forgiveness is the Christian thing to do.

When Iran had an earthquake, Americans were on the spot to help. Iran would not accept help from Israel. Please note that there are about one half million Iranian Americans living in the USA. By contrast, how many Americans live in Iran?

Many Republicans would love to opt out of the Ponzi scheme that is Social Security. But the Democrats do not want Republicans to have such a choice. Please note: Democrats in public office and in public unions have very rich pension plans and well-funded health plans because they don’t honestly believe in these government schemes either.

Saddam Hussein himself endorsed 9/11 and called for further such attacks on American targets. It was President Bush’s duty to verify that Saddam’s WMD programs were no longer active and that his threats could not be carried out. Thus, the Congress authorized use of force resolution. Just as Clinton had earlier authorized Iraqi regime change. So there is no need for you to cry any longer for Saddam being deposed.

Israel has certainly NOT done everything correctly. But Israel sure as hell has a far better record on human rights, human dignity, and democratic institutions than her Arab neighbors. The fundamental problem is that Palestinian Arabs will not be happy until every Jew is dead or driven into the sea. I don’t blame Israel one bit for ensuring her security. Even if that Arab fantasy ever came true, and the political Left, a.k.a. the cancer on Western Civilization, had a party. Most Muslims would still hate the West and still hate the USA just as they hate each other.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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the other side can never win w/ u , if they dance in the streets they are bad if they offer their condolences how dare we accept it them .
lieing is evil. did sp lie about her position on the bridge to nowhere? yes
did dick chenny expose a dcia opperative at the expense of the natiopn securioty b/c it exposed that he was aware that SH had no wmd's ? yes he did do i think thats evil yes do i think its traitorous ? yes
let me ask u if obamas daughters got pregnant out of wedlock what would the rt say ? great now go celenbrate by flaunting it and go on dwts, No democrat is preventing any republican for not accepting a ss check ? no dem is stopping any repubs from not receiving their medicare , go ahead do you think that if ur party said we will eliminate ss and medicare that any of your canidates would be elected ? come on tell us answer me ? no they would think ur side is crazy .
your comments on SH are laughable , obl and sh hated each other b/c iraq was a secular goverment he and obl never consulted and if u don't know that by now either ur misinformed or as i have stated previously u will lie like ur other good christian repub when it suits their interest . congress authorized the use of forced based on what the adminstration tokld them and kept from them , thats evil my friend and u say i cry for s.h. no i cry for the innocent that died both american and iraqis , i can tell ur one of those chicken hawks , like chenny all talk ready to send peopkle to die but you don't have the courage to stand b/hind ur convictions like most repubs , i bet u never volunteered , i bet u never sacrafice for ur words . Carter has done nothing but sacrifice and u dare come onto his site to attack him when u start by distoting the truth , how dare u ?
forgivness is the christian thing to do , so why the death penalty , thats real christian u repubs .
if muslims hate america it could be b/c we killed and are killing innocent women and children and are occupying their land , call me old fashion but i wouldn't like it either , u defend the bombing of innocent women and children in iraq , u defend the loss of american lives in a country that did nothing to harm america?

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In 2006, as a candidate for governor, Sarah Palin (and the Democrats, including Senator Stevens who was indicted & convicted of corruption) backed the bridge. However, in 20007, thanks to McCain, the bridge gained notoriety as The Bridge to Nowhere, which exemplified irresponsible federal spending. Hence, Palin changed her mind and refused any further federal funding.

If Sarah Palin were guilty of any ethics violation, it would be exposed by now, given the enormous hatred, investigation, and smear attacks targeting her and her family. Personally, if I were Palin, I would not have resigned as governor. I would rally supporters to go after the freaks who target her and her family. For example, the creepy journalist, Joe McGinniss, who moved onto her street where she lived; David Kernell who hacked her email; Democrat politicians like the Sheriff Dupnik in Tuscan and media pundits like Keith Olbermann who declared Sarah Palin as a conspirator in the Arizona shooting; and other assorted human refuse.

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If you can point out where Dick Cheney deliberately lied in the service of an evil cause, they by all means, point it out. Withholding information is not the same as lying.

Dick Cheney did not expose Valerie Plame. Columnist Robert Novak exposed Valerie Plame from information he obtained from the State Department.

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Jimmy Carter is an intelligent man. He was a Navy nuclear engineer and a successful farmer in private industry. However, he was an ineffective president who was hapless versus a stagflation economy, he had mental blocks versus the evil nature of our enemies (i.e. Russia, Iran), and he could NOT successfully deal with his own Democratic Congress.

However, I believe President Jimmy Carter had many good intentions. He appointed Paul Volker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve who was instrumental in President Reagan’s policy of curbing runaway inflation. He began the military modernization that President Reagan put into high gear. He has success in reigning in “Baby Doc” Duvalier, the oppressive ruler of Haiti.

As a private citizen, Carter helped build fine houses for needy people via the “Habitat for Humanity” charitable organization. This is exactly the kind of charitable cause that I support. Private citizens donating time to a charity targeting a specific social problem where the volunteer’s talents have maximum impact.

Unfortunately, Carter’s innate progressivism has lately assumed monstrous proportions, which has completely crippled his ability to understand just about anything.

For example, naturally, as a man of the Left, Jimmy Carter instinctively takes the point-of-view of murderous Islamic barbarians, who feel that the many large Arab nations that succeeded the Ottoman Empire deserve to exist. However, tiny Israel that succeeded the Ottoman Empire deserves to be destroyed by its Arab neighbors.

The Left takes up the cause of Islamic barbarians and accepts the neo-colonial theory of international relations because the Left and Islam both have the same enemy, i.e. bourgeois conservatives and Western Civilization generally. The Left believes that Islamic ideology is actually peaceful and advanced because this serves the Left’s deeply held emotional convictions that all cultures, religions, and societies are equivalent; that there are no objective cultural/social/moral values; that the West is the cause of Islam’s many problems; and that bourgeois Christian conservatives are the true enemy.

The reality is that Palestinians already have their own land to rule via enlightened Sharia and they could undoubtedly squeeze many more concessions out of Israel if they would simply agree to one thing – that Israel a has a right to exist. But the Palestinians will NEVER agree to this. And men like Jimmy Carter will never understand this reality.

Jimmy Carter and men like him (e.g. President Obama) are damn fools because their egos block any understanding of THE REALITY THAT THE CRUEL AND OPPRESSIVE RULERS OF NORTH KOREA, ISLAM, IRAN, RUSSIA, ETC WILL NEVER HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS, WILL ALWAYS NEGOTIATE IN BAD FAITH, ARE GUIDED BY ONE OVERWHELMING SINGULAR VALUE, I.E. THE WILL-TO-POWER, AND ARE AMMENABLE TO ONLY ONE ARGUMENT – FORCE AND THE THREAT OF FORCE.

Progressivism blocks the ability of otherwise intelligent people to perceive reality.

For example, Progressivism causes you, a person of Cuban descent, to applaud an empty gesture by Castro’s bloody dictatorship!!?!?!?? A regime that murders, enslaves, impoverishes, imprisons, tortures, prostitutes, and terrorizes the Cuban people over the past 50 years. Holy crap!!!! I am strongly reminded of how Martin Luther King’s son Dexter visited James Earl Ray and clasped the very same hand that murdered his father!!!!!!! The hypnotized mouse runs directly into the jaws of the snake! Truly, whom the gods destroy, they first make mad!

In the interest of rehabilitation, I recommend the excellent book, “Advice to War Presidents”, by Angelo Codevilla. He teaches about the realities of statecraft versus the foolishness of American Progressive Idealism (especially its retarded stepchildren of International Liberalism, Realism, and Neoconservatism). You might appreciate the harsh criticism for President Bush II.

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Saddam hoped to become more popular via alignment with jihad. He had the Iraqi flag emblazoned with “Allahu Akbar”.

The evidence that Saddam had restarted his WMD programs was supported by multiple intelligence agencies around the world. The Bush Administration would not have deliberately staked so much on falsehoods.

Saddam endorsed 9/11 and called for more such attacks. President Bush had every right and duty to ascertain that Iraq did not have WMDs. If Saddam had successfully sponsored another 9/11-style attack, then the Left would have excoriated President Bush for not preventing it.

However, determining that Iraq had given up its nuclear programs could have been accomplished via means other than conquest. Given conquest, there should have been followed by immediate withdrawal, so the barbarians could sort out their own Peace. OR, American forces should have destroyed all opposition, secured all weapons, and thrown potential belligerents into mass prison camps as was done after conquering Nazi Germany.

Most Iraqis were happy that Saddam Hussein was deposed. However, that happy event unleashed the traditional tribal hatreds of the Sunni and Shia.

Today, most American people would love to exit Iraq and Afghanistan. The question is how to withdraw, but not reinstall the Taliban in Afghanistan, embolden Iran, and initiate a general bloodbath (to be blamed on the USA). Ironically, Saudi Arabia most fervently supports American occupation of Iraq – exactly where the 9/11 hijackers originated from.

IMO, the USA should rethink its Middle East policy. We should consider attempting a closer social/cultural relationship with the Iranian people (not the Iranian government) and reduce support for the weak governments of Sunni nations like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the Palestinians, Turkey, etc who are ‘friends’ in name only. We should certainly distance ourselves from Sunni nations like Syria and Libya, who are outright enemies.

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When I graduated High School, I did go through the enlistment process for the Marine Corps – but my eyesight was not good enough. Over the years, I have paid enormous amounts of money in taxes. I support the right of soldiers to have their votes fairly counted (opposed by the Left). I oppose the wars that waste our soldier’s lives and contribute to this country’s economic peril.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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this is whats wrong the rt , they say they believe in america but they disagree w/ the process america ,you imply stevens was a democrat thaT IS NOT TRUE , HE WON THE REPUBLICAN NOMINAYION AFTER HE WAS INDICTED , you say stevens was convicted , why did u not say that his charge was dismissed. i bet u like oliver north , wall was tried and convicted , he too had his conviction reversed and as much as i disagree w/ oliver north i respect the process and if his conviction has been over turn it seems unfair to lable him a convicted felon, but i guess when attempting to put ur story out u good christians have no trounle distorting the truth , shameful
SP: once again u don't know the truth or worse distort the truth on her position on the bridger to no where .u say she refused federal funding , thats not true either my hypopcritical christian friend,
Federal funds used elsewhere
With criticism over earmarks increasing, Congress stripped the provision from the bill, requiring instead that some of the money be used for an airport. Alaska eventually received about half the money. Palin last fall directed that money to transportation projects statewide instead of for Ketchikan's bridge.

Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, who campaigned for Palin's Democratic opponent, said he was there at the candidate forum when "she was asked about the bridge and she supported it."

the truth apperantly doesn't matter to u , u my friend debate w/o honor.
if u r so positive as to ur position why distort the truth ?
u say dick cheny did nothing then why did patrick fitzgeld who prosecuted scottor libey say that he shielded others in the adminstration or the very least failed to tell the truth , and yes he was convicted and only his sentence was cummuted , why was dick cheny so angry w/ the president that he was not pardon him? brother u once again can't read or choose to lie , shameful
shakeing hands w/ the enemy ,
reagen shook gorbachovs hand
nixon shook hands w/ the chineese
mccain after beiong in a vitnmese prison was one of the first senotors to go back and shake hands and ask for renewed relations , i guess u have forgotten about ur christian values of forgiveness , thats why u people are hypocrits .
if carter is a fool for dealing w/ the enemy then once agin so was regan , w/ russia , bush and the saudi's , be consitant my friend , were regan and bush fools ? if u say yes then i would repect u more .
that said L , i refuse to debate someone who intellectely dishonest . get ur facts straight then mk ur point but u have consitantly shown that u will say anything regardless how untrue it is and for that i dismiss you and ur thoughts , keep writing , maybe those fox listeners who don't fact check believe you but i don't and the facts don't support ur assertions , whats scary is that u use ur pyedointellectual language to give credence to ur positions ,
U lie to good hard working americans who think why would this guy just mk up facts , u have no shame , u like SP will lie and lie and lie , shame , shame shame , if u r a christian then there is a place for u in the after life ,


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one last thing L carter served his country in the armed forces , a sub commander , i find it ironic those who are the most hawkish about war have never served in battle , cheny , 5 deferrments ? bush national guard , and lastly u , there is term called chicken hawk , all talk but no where to be found when their country needed them , how dare you ,a chicken of a man , question the political motivations and his loyalty to his country , now u may think that his positions are wrong but don't confuse that w/ disloyalty , u and ur chicken hawk friend gave that up that right a long time ago when given the chance to serve and didn't . but once again the chicken hawks have no shame . look at govenor jesse ventura on fox where he rips into the likes of the fox commentators who advocate war but never served , he even says to one of them u believe it so much why don't you go serve , and where o'rielly attempts to bully his guest in part b/c he is a big man , jessee ventura was a navy seal and which how much bill orielly doesn;t dare get into the face of jessee ventura , he was scared , watch it don't take my word for it .
look colin powell served in war and hwe was against iraq , wesly clarke #1 in his class in west point , 4 star general was against the war , what do those who have served in war know that the chicken hawks don't , lastly L stop lying to prove your point, be honorable if u can . i have repub friends who i debate w/ but who do not need to distort the truth to get their point accross . bush and L lied and people died. thats ur written legacy , shame if u have shame

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I misspoke when I implied that Stevens was a Democrat - My mistake.

The point is that Sarah Palin stopped the funding of the bridge (in 2007) long before she was in the national spotlight (2008). Her office stated at the time that it was due to costs. The states receive federal funds for highway construction every year. How that funding for the bridge was ultimately redirected and accounted is anyone’s guess. The bottom line is that the bridge was stopped before Sarah Palin used it as a political prop.

This situation is a great example of why the federal government funding state projects is a terrible idea. Let the states fund their own state projects.

I do like Oliver North. He was loyal to President Reagan and the Iran Contra scheme was a pretty good idea so long as it remained covert.

Dick Cheney was loyal to his Chief of Staff. I fully understand the need for loyalty.

It’s interesting that you keep attempting to smear me as debating in bad faith, as being a ‘chicken hawk’, etc. Such personal attacks are typical of the Left. I am personally a reasonably brave man. I have gotten involved in various street confrontations to help other people out. When I was in college, before I knew much about attack/defense, a woman wrote me a beautiful letter for getting involved against a guy who grabbed her late at night on a city street.

Also, I very much respect and support men and women serving in the military. Many members of my family have served in the military, and have fought and died in wars.

I am also a political activist for the NRA, which helps train and certify civilians in the proper use of firearms. The NRA plays a role in ensuring that many American civilians have a great deal of experience with firearms, which in turn gives American soldiers an edge over the enemy.

It’s one thing to shake hands with the enemy, it’s another thing to clasp the hand that murdered one’s father. I personally could never do such a thing. Even If James Earl Ray had repented, which he did not. Coretta Scott King and Dexter King decided that James Earl Ray was a patsy.

Also, I would never bow before oriental despots, which President Obama seems to do instinctively.

Every post WW2 generation U.S. president from Truman to President Bush Sr served in the military. I respect each of them for their service. However, that does NOT mean that their foreign policy is therefore above criticism.

Please read what I said carefully. I oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Initially, I supported them. Now I do not.

President Bush Jr. honorably served in the National Guard. He could have been sent to Vietnam, but he wasn’t. He should not be criticized for his service.

President Jimmy Carter is NOT a fool for dealing with our enemies. He is a fool for refusing to understand THE REALITY THAT THE CRUEL AND OPPRESSIVE RULERS OF NORTH KOREA, ISLAM, IRAN, RUSSIA, ETC WILL NEVER HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS, WILL ALWAYS NEGOTIATE IN BAD FAITH, ARE GUIDED BY ONE OVERWHELMING SINGULAR VALUE, I.E. THE WILL-TO-POWER, AND ARE AMMENABLE TO ONLY ONE ARGUMENT – FORCE AND THE THREAT OF FORCE.

I hope that is clear.


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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read again on your SP source , honor my dear friend honor ,
On August 29, 2008, when introduced as Republican presidential nominee John McCain's running mate, Governor Palin told the crowd: "I told Congress, thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere" — a line that garnered big applause but upset political leaders in Ketchikan. Palin's campaign coordinator in the city, Republican Mike Elerding, remarked, "She said 'thanks but no thanks,' but they kept the money." Ketchikan's Democratic Mayor Bob Weinstein also criticized Palin for using the term bridge to nowhere, which she had said was insulting when she was in favor of the bridge.[32]

Although Palin was originally a main proponent of the bridge, McCain–Palin television advertisements since September claim that Palin "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere".[33][34] Howard Kurtz called this a "whopper", writing: "She endorsed the remote project while running for governor in 2006, claimed to be an opponent only after Congress killed its funding the next year and has used the $223 million provided for it for other state ventures."[33] These claims have been widely questioned or described as misleading in several newspapers across the political spectrum.[35][36][37][38] Newsweek, commenting on Palin's "astonishing pivot," remarked: "Now she talks as if she always opposed the funding."[39]
dick chenny was instrumental in outing and smearing a cia agent for our country , call me old fashion that is treason. dick chenny chief of staff was accused of obstructing justice so that dick chenny would not face charges ,
what about shake hands w/ the leader of a country that has political prisoners ? regan shaking hands w/ gorbochov , what about holding hands w/ a leader that .oppresswes women and women have been victimized byh the countries agaeda towards women , bush and king fyaid of SA. obama only bowed , bush was holding hands as if he and the king were best of friends , and i get it its a cultural thing something u would never do but something that the leaders of our country realize must be done in the name of greaqter good , if bowing helps the dialog of peace then bow , if holding hands helps in the dialog of peace then hold hands , sometime u need to start w/ an olive branch , once agin you good christians only give lip service to forgivness ,
wow did u say bush honorably served in the NG ? come on L tell the rest of the story ,like how did he get in into the NG...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7372-2004Feb2.html
read how he got in it just happened that his dad was a us congressmen , u read the article if thats honorable no wonder u and i have different understandings of what is honorable , skipping out on ur duty during war is treasonist , defend chennys record while ur at and tell us how honerable he was during his deferrments , both are chicken hawks.
the men you admire could never carry carter's bags , so tell us L besides defending that women honor , how many men have u lead into battle for your country like carter , tell us L how many lives have u help save in africa as result of ur chartible work like carter ? ok how about how many homes have u helpbuild for the needy in america like carter ? how many? just what i thought , this man has help save lives and has given to his country and has served it in active duty , really tell us why we should we follow u as opposed to a man whom has done so much , he has won the noble peace prize.not the bs prize and lastly their chicken hawks when u advocate for war but when its ur turn u hide .




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You are grasping at straws in your desperation to demonize Sarah Palin as evil, stupid, and a bad mother. Sarah Palin supported funding the bridge in her political campaign. However, after she became governor, and started rooting out corruption and misspending in Alaskan government, AND, undoubtedly, because the bridge had become so unpopular in Congress, she decided to stop funding the bridge. Instead, she continued funding an access road, which was far more appropriate. She certainly was NOT FORCED to de-fund the bridge. The Alaskan government already had the money! In fact, she went back on her campaign position, which angered Alaskan interests in the bridge. This just makes her even more to be congratulated for taking a courageous and principled position. This was BEFORE John McCain made an issue of it.

Now, given how Palin’s Democrat critics are suddenly so focused on Alaskan fiscal responsibility, they would have her return that money to the federal government, rather than spending it on other more worthy highway projects. I say, yes, that would be nice. But that was NOT mandated, and there may very well have been perfectly worthy highway projects where the money could be better spent! It’s NOT like she kept that money to spend on her buddies as is standard operating procedure for Democrat political machines in Detroit, Chicago, Washington D.C, Sacramento, Los Angeles, etc, etc. Even if she had sent the money back to Washington, then her Democrat critics would undoubtedly cry, wail, and gnash their teeth over that instead!

I would suggest that you look into your own motivations, and ask yourself, why do you really so desperately hate Sarah Palin? Why do you really desperately want to tear her down? Could it be that she exemplifies a responsible, nice, attractive, intelligent, married with children, professional, conservative woman who battles government corruption, and who is not conned into the degraded, dependent-on-government-handouts, abortionist, man-hating vision of womanhood espoused by leftist neo-feminist neo-Marxist nonsense?


“There is NO such thing as a free lunch.” - Milton Friedman

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my friend instead of dodging my questions as u repeately do i will answer yours , i don't hate anyone what i dispise is the hypoc3racy of her politics , she was for the bridge b/4 she was against it , she aginst governent money yet still accepts it , she acted as if she refused the mopney , that was a lie . defend that my friend . now if that was a lie then how do you reconcile the fact that she lied and mislead w/ ur last paragraph . Nice? ask mccain staff , intelligent ask katie koric , her children in up pregnant out of wed lock , no democratic nominee children did that ? clinton daughter went to stanford , sp daughter was pregnent in high school , b/t/w did she even graduate ? and i don't blame her , i blame the parent , SP .the women who you admire . Did she say that she was not accepting gov't funds when in fact she was ? yes , is this what u define as honorable ? well if it is then u and i differ on what is honorable , lieing to the voters , not knowing basic geography , world politics is not my idea of intelligence , but then again maybe ur bar is lower than mine , no smart thinking repub supports her ,
thats the problem w/ the repub party they embrace a quiter , they embrace an ignorant women and would have them lead her to their demise . And please don't say she battles corruption , L tell me did you do any research b/4 you wrote or do you just mk stuff up , she left under a cloud of corruption
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3iQdGtxBJs
wake up and please do ur homework b/4 u come back on this post , u came here knocking carter , she or u have no sence of honesty or integrity , both of yopu lie to support your position , i have some very good repub. friends who while we do not agree will not lie to mk their position more agreeable , they would be embarressed by u and her ,

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Is all you have to say is a collage of empty liberal, political bumper sticker quotes?

Your quiver is quite bare; I suggest you re-arm with some real thought.

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I'm about as right wing as you can get and still be called "moderate", yet I both admire and respect Jimmy Carter for the work he's done - and continues to do - in the areas of human rights, child poverty, and global peace. I think his actions go beyond politics, beyond "right" or "left" wing, and speak to all of us who want to make the world a better place.

There are no problems that cannot be solved with a can of brake clean and a lighter

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brother grizzly , u nailed it , u may disageree w/ a person politics but to disagree w/ selfless acts to me is crazy , i remmember when obama attemted to get the olympics for chicago and went ot sweden and when it was awarded to another country some on the right clapped , jobs would have beed created , money in a poor economy yret their hatred for the president was so great they did not care about the finicaal impact on america , i did not like bush but i applauded him when he increased funding for aids in africa , peace

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