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This is not a anti- war documentary ............., This is........

posted 17 years ago by roy_here2002
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This is more like the mistakes they made entering into iraq. Its about how all the studies by justice department, naval academy and pentagon studies where totally disregarded and a Rumsfeld plan is created for the iraq war.

No one is talking about the legality of this war. I am sorry to say this , but this documentary somehow looks like a spinoff being created to overshadow the legality of the war and put more light on fundamental and planning mistakes.

This is just going to help the administration to say , " ok we already agreed with planning mistakes now since we are there what should we do?"

And ultimately thats what everyone wants, somehow now find a legality to stay in IRAQ, until a client regime is being created.

Does anyone believe that the congress is thinking about the IRAQI people, i think they are giving more important about the RETURN ON INVESTMENT on IRAQ.

Its not our country, and we shouldn't be there and looting that countries wealth.

[–] action-barry 17 years ago

You're missing what makes this an interesting movie. What use is served by yet another freaking documentary about how we shouldn't have invaded in the first place? Been there, done that.

This is much more interesting. This suggests that whatever good -could- have been accomplished by this invasion was utterly undermined by our bungling administration. That's an interesting spin! Don't knock the movie just because it wasn't about what you wanted it to be about. That's not the movie's problem, it's your problem.

[–] roy_here2002 17 years ago

I am not knocking the movie off, i didn't say "not to watch the documentary". Everyone should watch it and have their own opinion.

One thing i realized during the last 8 years in this country, is that how much facts are being kept from the public. And I think the public perception or understanding is being manufactured. I think the reason the media is doing that (meaning the media is serving the power) because when we do get attacked by someone, we will be totally clueless. The whole idea is to not let the public figure out the cause and effect from the attack. And at the end you have questions like " WHY DO THEY HATE US?" coming out of the public.

The same thing is with these documentaries. All these kinds of documentaries are doing is that again and again they remind us that the planning was a mistake. I am sorry even if the planning was right, it still is wrong to invade another country.

I consider myself a libertarian. There is this public perception that as soon as the democrats wins the next election both congress and even the presidency (which i think is really likely to happen)things are going to change. That is still not going to change anything. Our troops will be there until a client regime is setup. And things will only change if people in this country take it out on the streets not violently but non-violently protesting.

Also there is this misconception that everything happened because of
neo-conservatives. Neo-conservatives are just a fraction of neo-liberalism.
The ideology is still Neo-liberalism. Its just that the neo-conservatives are just a hardcore fraction of it. The neo-liberlaism way is do quietly and the neo-conservatives are bit more hardcore and arrogant. But finally there is no difference between them. This point is never clearly mentioned in these kind of documentaries.

[–] action-barry 17 years ago

Okay, understood. I disagree with a lot (but not all) of what you write here, but I see where you're coming from.

[–] imdb-oldhat 17 years ago

Great observations, although you lost me in the last paragraph. Glad to see that some people in the U.S. are thinking, and inquiring about the truth of things. I'll see the film to be reminded of the bungling, and keep in mind that we need to challenge our government's involvement in Iraq on the principle of it being an unwarranted invasion of a country that has never attacked the U.S.

For those who want to speak out about it, there will be nationwide demonstrations on 8/28. Show up.

[–] bruce-129 17 years ago

I got that too, and enough of what was highlighted in
this movie dovetailed with the facts and books that
I have read and speakers I have heard that there is
beginning to be a new thread coming out of this
war since the pressure has let up a bit over time
and the administration cannot cover up the
arc of their actions.

I have characterized this as Bush keeping his no
nation-building promise ... he did not say no
nation-destroying though, and that is just what he
has done, planned or through incompetence ... but
the incompetence is hard to believe given that random
chance would have dictated that he got at least something
right.

[–] monimm18 17 years ago

"Its not our country, and we shouldn't be there and looting that countries wealth."

You're right, but we wrecked it and we should at least own up to our mistakes and try to fix the mess we created.

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."
Oscar Wilde

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[–] monimm18 17 years ago

"What wealth are we looting? All I hear is how much the war is costing the US tax payer.

Where is the loot exactly?"

We ain't "looting" anything, baby, 'cause we (i.e. the regular people) ain't gonna see $h!t of the wealth coming out of the business done in that part of the world. Meanwhile, Haliburton, the big wigs and the likes are doing really good business, while telling us it's our patriotic duty to support the war, shake in our boots, and all that. All nicely done by spending the little people's tax money. Man, this has got to be the con of the century...

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."
Oscar Wilde

[–] roy_here2002 17 years ago

One of the biggest misconception about the issue of oil is, somehow the oil produced from iraq is going to help price of oil fall down in america. We are getting the best quality of oil in the most cheapest price for the last 25 years or so in the world.

Europe, India and China pays 7 to 9$ per gallon. And here we are paying only 3.25$ , and the price has gone that high only in the recent years. The difference is that they don't consume oil as much as we do. But china is getting closer to us. Also in those countries, when price of the oil goes high, people actually stop buying, thus dropping the price and also they don't consume as much as oil as we do becuase people prefer cars which has more mileage. So thats the most important feature in the car manufacturing companies in those countries.

Iraq war has nothing to do with oil for USA and more to do with control of natural resources. Because USA doesn't even need all that oil for ourselves, we have one of the largest world oil reserves. Also still majority of the energy produced in this country is through burning coal.

If you have control over the most valuable natural resource in the world, you have the bargaining power with your economic rivals. And that ideology is basic economic thinking. And the profits are not for the american people.

But my question to rocket_richard is , you said you have been only hearing how much Iraq is costing to american taxpayers, SO ISIN'T THAT ENOUGH OF A REASON TO STOP SPENDING AND GET OUR TROOPS OUT ?

And rocket richard of course thats all you are going to hear in the media. Do you think the american media is going to discuss our own mistakes in the media everyday? No media in the world has the guts to do it, and thats just the sad part of the democratic system, " We don't apply the same standards to ourselves that we apply to others".

There is also another meaning to the word looting I used. That is looting from your own people. You can just search this news on MSNBC.COM to understand that.

'Auditors say billions of dollars wasted in Iraq. House testimony focuses on $10 billion wasted or poorly tracked.'