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Anyone who thinks torture is A-ok should.....


Really experience, first hand, the exact same tortures that we put many iraqis through. It doesn't seem like they understand exactly how bad of an act "torture" is to enforce upon another human being. Torture isn't even the only terrible thing that is done to these people on a daily basis. The Iraqis are being forced to watch us destroy everything they know, for no-reason-whatsoever.

We don't live in the wild west, people. Whoever thinks that living "an eye for an eye" is ok, clearly watches too much TV, has no faith in the judicial system (Whatsoever), or is a hypocrite of a human being on so many levels. Being so callous about, or supportive of torture, no matter who the victim (Or what "information" they may have), is so barbaric, and inhuman, that one who thinks this way, truly should not be considered human. Being able to think this way, and justify/rationalize these things, is CLEARLY a sign of dangerous, sociopathic behavior.

Sure the world is not a pretty place, and people have to fight now and again, but let's practice what we preach (Geneva conventions are useless now? We americans are above the laws of the world now?) and keep the outlaw on torture sacred.

Anytime anything is brought up, anti-torture, alot of people like to wave 9/11 like a little flag. Are we Americans the only people on earth who have ever experienced tragedy? Are we SO SPECIAL, that we don't need to answer to the same laws as the rest of the civilized world? Maybe if we weren't so melodramatic, and gung ho, the rest of the world wouldn't hate us so.

Ranting aside, basically, people are forgetting just how cruel torture is. And given the "screening situation" (Basically just rounding up whoever) for "terrorists", in this situation, is only increasingly cruel, and inhumane. People talk about the "need for torture" so casually that it's so painfully obvious they have no f-ing clue how evil torture really is.

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It doesn't seem like they understand exactly how bad of an act "torture" is to enforce upon another human being.

Torture is meant to cause great pain, and to maim or disfigure. We are making people feel uncomfortable. Big difference. Anything that leads to broken bones or bleeding is not allowed. If it happens, there is an investigation. Stop watching the Jihad-friendly news, which only tells of how bad America is.
The Iraqis are being forced to watch us destroy everything they know, for no-reason-whatsoever.

Yes, the US military is going through Bagdad, block by block, destroying everything in their path. And just for kicks! It's so funny, isn't it? These soldiers go all the way to the other side of the world just to knock down homes of peace-loving Iraqis. And that's pretty much all they do. Right?
has no faith in the judicial system

The people at Gitmo are part of the judicial system, just not the civilian system. Why? Because they're not US citizens, or arrested on US soil. They are either terrorists, or they were engaged in combat on the battlefield.
Being so callous about, or supportive of torture, no matter who the victim (Or what "information" they may have

So if Jeffrey Dahmer was suspected of killing and eating your sister or mother, you wouldn't want some guy to threaten to bend one of this fingers backward if he didn't provide some information? Give me a break, friend.
Geneva conventions are useless now?

In case you didn't know this, the Geneva accords are for uniformed soldiers captured on the battlefied as prisoners of war. During WWII (and maybe before), those not in uniform (including "enemy combatants" and "spies") were not afforded protection under the Geneva accords. And that continues today. Stop with the propaganda.
Maybe if we weren't so melodramatic, and gung ho, the rest of the world wouldn't hate us so.

The rest of the world hated us before this Abu Ghraib stuff came out. You see, the rest of the world LOVES America, when we're giving them stuff and when we're the victims of something. Did you see those in the Middle East cheering when they saw the planes hit the towers? But the HATE us when we fight back against attackers. They just hate it.
And given the "screening situation" (Basically just rounding up whoever) for "terrorists", in this situation, is only increasingly cruel, and inhumane. People talk about the "need for torture" so casually that it's so painfully obvious they have no f-ing clue how evil torture really is.

The military is not "rounding" people up who just happen to be walking by. That is a tremendous waste of money/manpower/resources. I think you're referring to rendition, where a suspect is picked up and handed over to a nation that's been looking for them. And there is no "need for torture," and I haven't heard anyone say that. There is, though, a need for strong interrogation techniques, which have already been proven successful.

You simply don't understand anything, do you? Your rantings are those of a child. Grow the hell up and get a clue.

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Yeah, thanks for putting words in my mouth, and basically, answering my questions with questions. Nice retort.....for a retard.

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worgman - You're the retard, because all of your "questions" and "accusations" were things I would expect from a child.

I answered your questions. Isn't that why someone asks questions? And I gave you facts and reason in response to your lame-brained statements.

Free your mind from the Left's propaganda.

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"Free your mind from the Left's propaganda."

wow Noguff is brainwashed beyond repair. He doesnt understand that its not liberal or conservative to be against torture.

sad sad sad state of the human intellect

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Unless you genuinly want to watch him do his thing any attempt at a usefull discussion is a waste of time.

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You're right! Just like Al Gore is fond of saying, the evidence is in and the debate is over.

Wow, that empty, baseless, clap-trap B.S. really works!





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WTF is an "Al Gore"? Is it like El Grotesque?

HA! I agree, he is. Maybe that can be his new name!




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Here's a video of waterboarding
http://www.current.tv/video/?id=13462474
Coercive interrogation my @$$. That's torture.


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Yes, anyone that supports torture should be horribly tortured themselves.

Then they should be asked the same question afterwards.

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worgman - I'm in the Air Force and just completed a year long training with US Army soldiers, many of them just back from Iraq.

Your comment:

The Iraqis are being forced to watch us destroy everything they know, for no-reason-whatsoever.


is 100%, absolute, complete bullsh!t.

And NoGuff answered all your questions.

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NoGuff i bet any money your an american with not much education.

Am i right?

Yeah course i am.

USAFMXOfficer your just a soldier(air force) your paid to kill not to think you idiot. Your a hired thug no one cares what you have to say. Just sit in the corner till we need you to kill something. There's a good boy

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USAFMXOfficer your just a soldier(air force) your paid to kill not to think you idiot. Your a hired thug no one cares what you have to say. Just sit in the corner till we need you to kill something. There's a good boy


Ouch. That hurts. Coming from someone who lists Charles Manson as a hero and also condones the murder of small children.

stormyweathers-1 discussing the triple murder of three Memphis 8-year olds -- "So what if they did kill the kids? I don't care man i still want to free them man. Satanic killings make the world go round." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117293/board/flat/94196067?d=99618607#996 18607

Satanic killings make the world go round



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hell yeah they do.

why what do you think makes the world go round killing muslims and homosexualy abusing them like your boys in abu ghraib do?

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