Didn't Azmyth say that. He was talking about the officers taking 60% and giving the crew 40%. He said, "That's only a 10% difference."
In a way though, the 60-40 split was not too bad. The officers got $8,000 each and the winning crew got ~$5,500 each.
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Azymth is a complete tool.
Next week if he wins, they'll probably say, well 70-30 isn't such a bad split. It didn't take long for him to start rationalizing why the captain should get more, despite his soapbox speech to the contrary when he first became captain.
If I were him I would just take the 75% that goes to the captain and officers and split it three ways (keeps your officers happy and any chance of mutiny goes away) and let the rest grumble with their 25% share. Since there is less crew their 25% share is growing anyway, and as long as he stays captain why should he care. He's probably gone if he loses and he can still probably outbid almost anyone for the royal pardon.
"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi
> It didn't take long for him to start rationalizing why the captain should get more
Well, the captain should get more. Someone on the show last week said that the captain and officers should simply get two shares and most people agreed.
So, for $40,000, that would be split nine ways (3 crew x 1 + 3 officers x 2). That would give the crew $4,444 each and the officers $8,888.
So, in fact, Azymth's 60-40 method was more generous than the crew had agreed on last week.
> He's probably gone if he loses and he can still probably outbid almost anyone for the royal pardon.
So far, no former captain has been voted out, not even JD who unashamedly took his full share twice and laughed when the crew suffered with no food and hard work. JD bid $12,000 for the pardon because he was so worried that everyone hated him. But still, he got no votes.
Would bidding $15,000 for the pardon be worth it? Well, JD paid $12,000 for it this week. He thinks that it is a good investment. But, the second-high bid was $700.
Each week, you have a 50-50 chance of winning. If you are a crew member, you get $5,000 and if an officer, $8,000. That will take about six weeks to make back the $15,000 you paid for the pardon.
Nah. The best strategy is to bid a minimal amount for the pardon but don't waste too much. If you get booted out next week, so be it.
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Part of the bidding on the pardon isn't so much that you get it, but that the other person doesn't. Look what would have happened if Sean would have out bid Nessa for the pardon. Louie would have gone home with only 1 vote. I think JD was worried that he'd get at least one or more votes, and the possibilty of one of the other two having the pardon and then the vote sliding to him was too scary. Don't know why he bid so much, but bidding on it was good strategy. I'm sure that his thought process is that it buys him one more challenge with the hopes of defeating the black team and then becoming captain again or an officer and thus no need for the pardon, which then lets him rebid the next time if needed.
"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi
> I'm sure that his thought process is that it buys him one more challenge
Yeah, but look at his chances for making back that $12,000. His only chance is to get that money from Nessa, which was mostly his to start with. But, that means that he has to risk next week without the pardon.
Okay, so now he is on the red team with Louie. Per the rules, he cannot be randomly assigned to the black team, which sucks big time, since any of the girls can be put on that team.
So, now he is on the red team with three girls, which seem to be defined as the weaker players (or else why wouldn't EVERYONE draw from the same shot bag?). The black team only has two weaklings. Plus, Louie isn't really a race horse when running through the jungle.
So, I'd give the red team about a 35% chance of winning. Great. And let's say the treasure is $50,000 this time.
It's time to vote for a captain. Well, Louie and the three gals know darn well that if they vote JD as captain, he will take 50% and keep it -- he has done it twice before. But, everyone knows that Louie splits it up evenly. So, Louie is captain. Everyone gets $10,000. Nice.
So, he basically has a 35% chance of making $10,000.
If he fails, he just gets $12,000 from Nessa and then gets voted off (since everyone knows that he will NOT have the pardon).
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So Loui makes him an officer and he's safe for another week, and thus another challenge and more treasure.
Personally, based on how he's bid on the pardon, I don't think JoeDon is worrying to much about recouping his pardon money. I'm guessing he's playing for the final treasure, so trying to make back the money spent on the pardon is irrelevant. Your point is valid if his only concern is leaving the ship with the maximum amount of money. But if his position is to stay in the game as long as he can to get a shot at the final treasure then I would say he doesn't care about what he is spending. He gave money away to Jay early on and he's shown willingness to give money away (granted he was going to probably get it back from Nessa anyway).
If we knew what the end game rules are, then some of these moves might make more sense. I wonder if they know how it will play out in the end or if it will be a surprise? I can't believe it would come down to two 3 person teams, but that seems to be the way it's going.
"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi
> I'm guessing he's playing for the final treasure
It would be helpful to know about the end game. At the rate they are giving money to the players, there would seem to be about $250,000 left for the final treasure. I am assuming that it is likely that it will have to be split between two or three players. So, he is playing for a potential payoff of $80,000.
That's not bad, of course, but he already earned $40,000 in the first two episodes. We've seen him give away close to half of that.
I'm not quite so sure that giving up tens of thousands of dollars now is worth it just to have a shot at the final treasure.
Personally, I'd be playing this game and simply banking any gold that crossed my palm. If I am voted out, so be it. But, I have just as much chance of staying in the game as those people who give away their money.
Look at Jay and JD. JD gave Jay a wad of money in the first couple of episodes to buy his loyalty. Now Jay is an officer and nominating JD. That wasn't money well spent, was it?
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
i believe he ment both numbers were 10% away from 50%
The only things we own are the things we give away--Never the last journey
I thought I read or heard a rumor that the final treasure was $500,000. Now I don't know if that was to one individual to a team of three.
I think JoeDon gave $2000 early on to Jay, then he just paid $12,000 for the pardon (he got the initial $7000 back) and I think after the second challenge he doled out some small change, probably less than $2000 total. So he should still have around $24,000 left.
I think Ben is the one quietly sitting on the money. I think he's shared in the treasure all but two times (Azymth the first time and again when Louie was captain) otherwise he's been an officer under JoeDon (with a higher split) for two treasures and Azymuth for 2. And Loui's treasure was quite small, because it included the royal pardon.
Pirates aren't known for saving their money. I think JD is a gambler and he'll risk the small amount for a shot at the big amount. I don't think he'll be content to say "Well at least I got $40,000" not when that much is at stake.
Just my thoughts.
"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi
> So he should still have around $24,000 left.
Let's see. He earned $44,000 in his two teasures as captain. I think he has lost in every challenge since then.
He paid Jay $2,000 for his loyalty.
He paid out about $2,000 to the losing crew members, which insulted them.
He paid Louie $7,000 for the pardon.
He gave Nessa $4,000(?) so she could buy the pardon.
He received $9,000 from Nessa for the pardon.
He paid Nessa $12,00 for the pardon.
So, yeah, it does look like he's spent $18,000 of his $44,000 already. And Nessa theoretically owes him $7,000.
And, he might get $10,000 when he sells the pardon. Or, he might only get $700.
So, I guess he's doing okay. Still, once that pardon leaves his hands, that could be the end of the line for him.
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
He gave Nessa $4,000(?) so she could buy the pardon.
Nessa theoretically owes him $7,000.
> It was never said that it was a loan!
Maybe. We obviously didn't hear all of their plans and negotiations. We hear a five-second sound bite.
But, I tell you what. If someone in my alliance gives me money to use to keep the alliance strong, I am not going to turn around and claim that it is all my money. Mine, mine, mine!!!
If I got benefit from it (i.e., staying another week and then selling the pardon for a profit), I would feel obligated to repay it. Morally, it is a loan.
That's kind of a problem with people today. They use technical loopholes to walk away and not pay their obligations.
Frankly, if I were JD and Nessa never even offers to repay the money, I would thank God that I found out what kind of person she is before I let her have access to any more of my money.
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
> and they both stay in the game...
How do you figure that? The whole crew knows that JD will NOT have the pardon during this vote and that he DOES have the most money and is one of the strongest players.
The crew must realize that he and Nessa are using his huge cache of money to just pass the pardon back and forth between them. Voting him out is an easy and painless way to stop that.
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Joe Don has two chances to stay in this game. The most obvious is that the red team wins and takes over the captaincy and JD becomes captain or officer. The second way is if his speech at Pirate Court made any difference. Did he get 0 votes because the other 5 thought he had the pardon or did he get 0 because they realized that in order to defeat the black team they will need him. If it's the latter, then voting him out won't make sense and it won't matter if he has the pardon or not. If the red team does somehow win, I'm guessing the pardon will go high as both Azymth and Jay will feel threatened. I think Ben is safe.
Hopefully JD will start approaching the women about throwing the challenge if they get on the black team.
"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi
> did he get 0 because they realized that in order to defeat the black team they will need him.
I would doubt that. Certainly that is why Louie did not vote for him, since the new rules seem to indicate that Louie will always be on the opposite team as the captain until he wins.
Five of the six the women, however, must realize that they have a 50-50 chace of being on the captain's team next week and winning treasure. Having JD in the game will actually hurt their chances 50% of the time.
Plus, there is no guarantee that if you overthrow Azmyth that you will be an officer (no doubt that Louie and JD will feel that they earned it). If you are not an officer, you get thrown back into the pool and are no better off than you are now.
And then the winning red team nominates all three guys from the black team. One of them goes home. Now, the two remaining guys will be defined to be on the red team and have a decent chance of winning the captainship again.
Nessa, of course, is canoodling with JD and will want to save him.
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> If the Red Team wins the treasure, a woman will be Captain.
Well, there is only a one in ten chance that both Kendra and Joy will be on the Black team this week. Otherwise, the plan can't work. And, there is still only a 50-50 chance of winning, especially if it is another digging challenge.
And, if it manages to work, it won't last long, since they can't continue putting three officers on one team. I mean, they are at ten players now. When they get to eight players, more than half of the crew will be up for eviction.
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
And, if it manages to work, it won't last long, since they can't continue putting three officers on one team. I mean, they are at ten players now. When they get to eight players, more than half of the crew will be up for eviction.
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Agreed, eventually something has to change. When they get down to 7, will it be only 1 person on the jury, which to me would seem lame, although that 1 person could probably make a lot of money taking bribes if he/she gets to make the decision as to who is gone.
At some point I would think they would switch it from a team game to more of an individual one. Also, I think there may only be 4 episodes left, so I'm thinking something has to be done rather soon, otherwise black team will run the table.
"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi
> When they get down to 7, will it be only 1 person on the jury
Or, when they get down to six people, the captain will have to break the 0-0-0 tie.
I am thinking that they will change things up when they get to eight players (so that would be at the start of the July 26th episode). You are right in that they should do individual challenges at that point. After all, real pirates weren't very good team players.
> something has to be done rather soon, otherwise black team will run the table.
This whole show seems like it wasn't thought out very well in the first place. Look at the rules for mutiny. The whole crew and the officers have to vote for it. As I recall in real mutiny situations, the officers were hung with the captain. More likely, one officer was needed to mutiny and then that officer became captain. Imagine the fun if that were the rule this season.
And, the whole idea of picking teams at random each week fell flat on its face. Since each week the strong or weak players might help or hurt you randomly, there is no strategy reason to keep or get rid of players based on strength and intelligence. Also, alliances are trivialized, since the next week your alliance members might be on the other team and you may end up casting votes against them.
And the pirate theme isn't really working. The pirates don't really do anything all day except swab the deck or climb the ropes for the cameras. I imagine that private conversations are difficult, since they are in such cramped quarters.
Nah, enjoy this show while you can, if you can. This series will not be back for another season.
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