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List the reasons why Pirate Master is a joke:

posted 17 years ago by Aussie Stud
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1. The twist is a so-called "mutiny" that WILL NEVER work because it requires the approval of the captain's first two officers. Here's a note to you Mark Burnett, next time you come up with a "twist" or "brand new concept", how about creating something that might actually WORK???? Obviously a mutiny will NEVER happen because no two officers will EVER betray the captain, especially seeing as he picked them because they are most likely closest to him and in his alliance.

2. Because the captain and officers have to compete on the SAME team, the black team hereon out will dominate ALL the challenges. Brilliant decision again Mark Burnett. How entertaining for us to sit here week after week watching the same team win repeatedly, the same alliance running the game, and everyone else getting picked off one by one. Yeah, real entertainment.

3. The usage of Survivor stock footage and even the same font is just plain laughable and cheap. Yeah, we get it. "Pirate Master" is the poor man's version of "Survivor", but do you really have to remind us with the identical opening credits and stock footage usage?

4. The contestants are either boring or smug as hell. Other than Louie and Lauren, who else could you possibly want to root for on this show? The smug threesome in their tight alliance, or the stupid useless weak and boring women for letting it happen?

5. The host is about as interesting as peeling wallpaper. Cameron Daddo, Australia's poor man's answer to "the guy from down under who went to hollywood to try to make it big but all he got were bit parts in television shows and straight-to-video-caliber movies" is absolutely pathetic on "Pirate Master". He's neither charming nor entertaining and I have no idea how Cameron got his agent to schedule a power lunch with Mark Burnett and convince him to cast him as the host of this show.

[–] old-dutch 17 years ago

They spent 5 minutes debating the importance of compasses the first episode between then captain Joe Don and aspiring scientist/chippendale John and how they'd be at a loss without them.

In case no one noticed, there was a compass the size of a large pizza right next to the wheel (Louie was showing Laurel how to use it) in tonight's episode. Not that the ship really goes anywhere.

"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi

[–] swinney22 17 years ago

they were talking about the compasses for the expeditions.

Don't argue with me. You're just going to lose.

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[–] jason626 17 years ago

The officers have to approve of the mutiny for it to work.

[–] Aussie Stud 17 years ago

If the officers don't approve of the mutiny, then it doesn't work - which means the "mutiny" twist will NEVER work because no captain would assign an officer who wasn't in their alliance or close to them, and all officers are treated better than the crew anyway. Ridiculous.

You can also add in lazy editing - the badly "refilmed" cast away shots of the contestants nicely cleaned up and then back to scruffy-looking. Really pathetic.

And how about the lame treasure hunts? The producers/creators are so cheap that they can only provide ONE treasure trail to follow. When one team actually figures out the map, all the other team has to do is follow them to the treasure, and then while every man digs a hole, it's basically whoever finds it first. The other week when Krista dug a hole and moved somewhere else, I think it was Jay who kept digging in her hole and found the treasure. If the producers were actually creative, they would branch the exact same treasure trail off in opposite directions (after the sabotage point) which would give both teams a chance to use their wits and smarts to find the treasure.

[–] jason626 17 years ago

"munity has nothing to do with the captains two officers. It's up to the crew that's doing the voting to all vote against the captain and that's how the captain will lose his position."

I told you the officers needed to have a say.

[–] old-dutch 17 years ago

Finally. I think this pretty much puts this argument to rest. Pretty much everyone (including Cameron, again!)on tonight's episode stated what we all knew, both officers must agree to go along with a succesful mutiny.

"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi

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[–] old-dutch 17 years ago

No big deal, doesn't look like we are about to see a mutiny anyway. Players were too stupid last night to throw the challenge, and even with that putz Jupiter gone they are still too dumb to mutiny.

Our only hope of seeing one is if Jay engineers it. They teased us this week with the possibility and they are doing it again next week.

Knowing how this game ends would help a lot to understanding some of the strategies, or lack thereof.

"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi

[–] DanaShelbyChancey 17 years ago

Anybody notice how much Laurel looks like Kelly Wiglesworth on the first Survivor?

We have all notice how Louie is the Walmart marked-down fire-sale version of Rupert Boneham though.

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[–] old-dutch 17 years ago

In the event of a Mutiny, it is unclear what happens.
In Episode 1, while the host is discribing the Summonses to Captain Joe Don, he mentions that the Officers must agree to the Mutiny.
This rule is not mentioned in Episode 2.
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The above was taken from the link that you just posted, under the section "Pirate Court." Most reality shows do not continue to repeat the rules over and over. If there was no threat of mutiny in episode #2 (and beyond), then it makes sense not to repeat the rule. And Nessa said last night that officer approval was necessary for a successful mutiny (as they were discussing the mutiny option)

Finally, I'm not the most internet savy individual, but the "rules" posting doesn't appear to be the "official" rules as posted by the production company, but rather by a rather well informed individual, who may be subject to error. Obviously by the above rules posting they are not certain about mutiny.

"Who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi

[–] robb-89 17 years ago

Because they really expect us to believe these yahoos are really sailing this massive pirate ship.

[–] Aussie Stud 17 years ago

I am positive this ship is docked in a huge water tank set. The exterior "treasure hunt" shots were filmed seperately. That is how cheap this show is. The ship doesn't sail ANYWHERE.

[–] jason626 17 years ago

On the last episode the host said that they needed the officers help for the mutiney. On the comming attractions they also said it again. The rules online are very vauge.

[–] sawwhet 17 years ago

The rules online are posted by viewers just like us. Just like us, some think it only takes all crew members voting for mutiny while the rest of them know that the "officers must concur".

[–] dianabanana 17 years ago

The challenges are a joke. "Let's just watch where the leading team goes and follow."

Not enjoying this show - I only watch it when there is nothing else on.

[–] friendly_sociopath 17 years ago

1. Every challenge is almost an exact replica of the last. Sail or swim to land then run up and down a freaking mountain 2 or 3 times.

2. There is no pirate behaviour on exhibit. I want to see the crew breaking in to the captains room to steal his stuff, I want them to gamble their money away.

3. I don't know much about ships, but surely there is no reason they need to swab the decks on what seems like an hourly basis.

To be fair, I've never watched Survivor or any other reality shows like it before so I am actually kind of enjoying this in all its lameness.

[–] sawwhet 17 years ago

I want to see the crew breaking in to the captains room to steal his stuff, I want them to gamble their money away.

So far, other than John stealing the [unneeded] compasses in the 1st episode, there has been no pirate behavior. A few of the “bribes” have turned out to be gambling in that they didn’t buy the intended vote.

[–] purplegymshoes 17 years ago

Not to be rude to people who like this...
But what is the freaking point of this show? It's so stupid and boring that it seems to be some kind of joke. When I was watching Survivor Fiji I was like, What the hell? No way can that be an actual show.

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[–] Aussie Stud 17 years ago

Not only is there no point - but the CASTING!!! MY GOD, WHO THE HELL ROUNDED UP THESE IDIOTS?!?!?!

They're so stupid it's almost beyond belief. Can anyone say "Jupiter"? Yeah, let's actually think about using the mutiny, but let's tell the Captain first!

And what's with the "giving too much away in the previews for next week's episode" crap??? Last week's preview showed Jay talking about mutiny if someone approached him, which obviously gave away which team won the treasure hunt this week. CBS really have no idea what they're doing with this show.

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[–] Aussie Stud 17 years ago

I couldn't believe they passed up the chance to throw the challenge to change things around.

Regardless as to whether or not the ghost team were so inept that they lost their key... the black team (not counting Azmyth and his two goons) didn't even try to throw the challenge - what the hell did they expect?

It's like these idiots are content with being dominated by a three man alliance and are willing to be picked off one by one because it is their chosen destiny. Now that's what I call entertainment! Not.

[–] Aussie Stud 17 years ago

Again, stupid people let stronger players talk them into nominating and voting out weaker players. IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE TO GET RID OF THE STRONGER PLAYERS TO MAKE THE END GAME EASIER FOR YOU!!! Why can't these IDIOTS understand this and not let Ben and Jay walk all over them? It's like they're not even playing this game to win - they're just here because... well, who the hell knows. I don't even think they know themselves.

[–] XxUnknownxX 17 years ago

For me the biggest problem with Pirate Master (beyond all the things everyone else mentioned) is that the game is so static. The reason Survivor works is that after the dueling tribe thing for about half the show they switch it up and make it an individual game. If it was just 1 tribe vs. the other for the entire show it would get boring after a while. That's the problem with Pirate Master. There is no change in the game really. Because of that everything just stays on the same path and nothing surprising or interesting ever happens.

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[–] old-dutch 17 years ago

I would agree, what you said is for the most part a pretty accurate statement. Had the "ghosts" actually won the challenge it could have changed the path, or had the mutiny rules been thought out better, maybe. But by keeping the team format, it pretty much lends itself to stagnancy. Last weeks unaired episode pretty much showed how someone could throw a challenge, for no other reason than to keep the existing captain in power and to keep the game unchanged.

Unfortunately this show had the feel of something that was thrown together rather quickly to 1.) fill in for Survivor right after it finished it's season and to 2.) try to capture any Pirates of the Caribbean mania that might be out there with the release of the 3rd movie.

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi

[–] XxUnknownxX 17 years ago

Also the editing is horrible. Even when there is only like 5-6 players left we still have ghosts on the ship. People dissapear for entire episodes, while Jay continues to blather on about his game stratagy. And what about Christa? Before she was made captain you literally saw her on screen for about 5 minutes. I completely forgot that she was on the show when she was made captain.

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[–] Aussie Stud 17 years ago

And why does everyone compare Louie to Rupert (from survivor?). The only similarities I see are physical features (the beard, being overweight, semi-likeable), but Louie is a complete idiot and has no strategic gameplay whatsoever. His decision to nominate himself for a blackspot last week was a notch below pathetic.

And now this week, Christa cuts loose a weak player to keep around a stronger player who's obviously using and abusing her just because he said he has kids too? HOW PATHETIC. This show is an absolute joke and it is painful to watch. At least with Survivor, sometimes the season may start out rocky but by halfway through, it gets interesting when the players have to start eating their own.

With Pirate Master, it has been pretty awful from the start and still is. We're nearing the end and not only has it not gotten better, but it's somehow even managed to get worse! Stupid people, uninspiring challenges and lack of originality - like someone stated above, you can tell that the production values were rushed and scraped together to cash in on the Pirates Of The Caribbean fever that never happened this Summer. Mark Burnett is a tool and should concentrate more on fixing the problems that are currently plaguing Survivor and The Apprentice than trying to start new and completely uninspired reality shows.

[–] old-dutch 17 years ago

Good post Aussie. I've tried to support this show and give it the benefit of the doubt, but it continues to underwelm. You make great points, and it's obvious why Louie was cast, it certainly was not for his brains, it was because he was mini-Rupert.

I think one of the biggest disappointments in general is that there really has been no change to the game since day 1. Yes once they got down to 8 pirates they did away with the officers and technically gave all the treasure to the captain. In reality nothing changed. Because of JD all captains will share, and Jay and Ben although not officers in name are still playing that role.

I thought they would have gone to individual challenges or something. What better way to protect your captaincy than to beat everyone one on one? The way this show was set up, there is no way that JD, AZ, Ben or Sean could have been captain at the end. It would have been way too easy to simply mutiny against any captain that would be considered a physical threat. Jay was smart to nominate Christa, it was the safest play.

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows him" ...Obi Wan Kenobi

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