Reality Star commits sucide :(
Cheryl, the lawyer who was JD's captain in the beginning, apparently killed herself.... very sad....
http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/pirate_master/2007_Jul_29_cheryl_kosewicz_died
Wow, is this true? She seemed like a strong woman to me on the show... I guess she was weak all along.
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I don't know her or her situation, but from the article and Nessa's, Ben's, Joy's, and Cheryl's myspace pages (all linked from that article) it seems Cheryl was deeply in love with her boyfriend, and he killed himself or died last month. :( This, combined with the failure of the show (one of her last messages was about how crappy CBS was after all the time they put in to filming PM), is what probably led to what happened this past week.... life is short and fragile enough as it is... when someone does this, it never seems to make sense..
CONFIRMED: http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/8797517.html
Wow, who knew what effects of such a horrible show could have on someone. I mean, Pirate Master is a trainwreck on all levels, but to be partially responsible for driving a contestant to take her own life... that's pretty hard to top.
sharePirate Master was one of the best shows running in a age of garbage and cut and paste stereo type crap they are airing. It was leagues ahead of Survivor and The Bachelor and all the other disgusting displays of mankind's depravity that they air for all to see. If you thought Pirate Master was a bad show then I suggest to you that you wouldn't know what a good tv show was in the first place and it's people like you that are the reason television has gone to hell.
"Absolute authority comes from God, absolute obedience comes from the Devil." -Adolph Hitler
I think you have missed the point. It is not whether the show was good or bad, it is about a person taking their own life. If you want to talk about the show being good or not do it in another thread.
Relating back to the issue i was shocked to hear it and very sad by it. Things must have been horrible for her to do such a thing.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
Actually I think it was you that missed the point. IF you had of read Aussie Stud's post that might have been more clear. But in any case, it was tragic. It is always very sad when someone feels so alone. My heart goes out to her family.
"Absolute authority comes from God, absolute obedience comes from the Devil." -Adolph Hitler
> Pirate Master was one of the best shows running
I am afraid not. The rules for the game were completely muddled and made no sense. And, the fact that the teams were randomized each week mean that no one could ever really develop loyalties to anyone else.
Plus, the challenges were all exactly the same; row to shore, run through the jungle, find a clue, run some more, and then dig randomly in the dirt until someone accidentally stumbles upon the treasure.
This show was just a bad idea from start to finish.
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Plus to say it was leagues ahead of Survivor is ridiculous, considering that it was Survivor that paved the way for shows like this. I didn't think Pirate Master was bad, but it was pretty damned confusing...and it was like the same thing every damned week like the person above me said.
...and whoever said committing suicide isn't a sign of weakness: You're wrong. Very, very wrong...suicide is one of the most selfish and cowardly things you can do.
"Oh wah wah wah my life sucks I should end it"...Guess what? Tough ****, there are people out there who have it a whole hell of a lot worse than someone who was just lucky enough to go on TV and make money playing a damned game.
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> whole hell of a lot worse than someone who was just lucky enough to go on TV and make money playing a damned game.
She didn't make a whole lot of money. She took 12% of the first two treasures, so that's maybe $7,000 (before taxes). For someone with a decent job, that's only 2-3 months salary. That's nice, but not enough to quit your job over.
Plus, her boyfriend, whom she loved very much, had also committed suicide a few weeks earlier, after they had disagreements over the show.
It sounded like this show really screwed up her life big time. Then, it was canceled and she was left all alone.
Yeah, people have recovered from worse, but maybe she just couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I am sad for the world's loss, but maybe she has found some measure of peace.
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
It's too bad she didn't wait it out, because things do get better.
That's still 7k you made PLAYING A STUPID GAME ON TELEVISION.
Suicide is cowardly and selfish. There's no arguing that.
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A Lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying.
How can you say "There's no arguing that"? I'm sure there are many people out there who will disagree with you. I for one am one of those people. You don't know what was going on inside her head and what life was like for her. It sounds like you are a pretty resilient person and that is a great thing but people are different from you and handle situations differently. It's very sad she couldn't see any other way out but she is at peace now.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
I say that, because if you argue it you are stupid...
Suicide is cowardly and selfish. What about her family? They're the ones that now have to deal with the grief over losing a loved one. furthermore, didn't someone say she did it because her boyfriend or whatever did it? Maybe she should have stopped and thought about how that made her feel, and how her killing herself would do the exact same damned thing to her family. That's how it's selfish.
...and it's obvious as to why it's cowardly. Be a god damned adult and learn to deal with your problems. Plenty of people have it worse.
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A Lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying.
Obviously the way you try to get your point across is to put people down. Calling me stupid because i have an opinion that doesn't match yours doesn't make you right.
You didn't take anything i said in, did you? You totally ignored what i was saying. "Plenty of people have it worse." Yes that might be true but you do not know what her mind set was. I agree that it is unfair to her family but you cannot comment on how they are feeling. No one knows what was happening in her life to make her do such a thing. As i have said before people take the bad things in life differently. I'm glad that you will not be a person who will kill themselves.
But in the future don't call me or anyone stupid for having an opinion.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
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I won't call you stupid, but not seeing suicide as cowardly and selfish IS a stupid thing to think.
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A Lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying.
Well that's your opinion and if you think it is cowardly and selfish then that is a stupid thing to think.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
I guess so.
Though I'd love to hear your reasoning as to why it's not cowardly or selfish.
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Well I thought the same thing that you would give your reasons. I have told you my reasoning, that just proves that you haven't taken in a thing I have said. There is no point even trying with you because you just don't bother taking it in. I have even agreed with some of your points, eg how horrible it would be for her family.
So that's why I thought we should agree to disagree.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
...and obviously you didn't read my posts because I gave the reasons as to why it's cowardly and selfish.
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I have read your posts and the only reason you gave was it will be hard for the family and friends, i don't disagree.
I'm over this debate because it is not going anywhere nor is anyone else supporting our views.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
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That makes it not selfish or cowardly how?
Look, even Ally agrees that it's selfish, because she said she agreed with how it's bad for the rest of her family.
self·ish
1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.
That's the definition of selfish...which is exactly what this woman did. She did stuff only for herself without caring about other people
cow·ard·ly
1. lacking courage; contemptibly timid.
...and that's what she did, too.
Therefore, you can't disagree that it was cowardly and selfish. What she did was the damned definition of those two words
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A Lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying.
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Killing herself would not have been an easy thing to do, it certainly wasn't cowardly. What 'stuff' did 'this woman' do that made her selfish besides ending her OWN life, which is a very hard thing for someone to do.
Depression:
1. A mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity
2. Sad feelings of gloom and inadequacy
3. A state of depression and anhedonia so severe as to require clinical intervention
She could have felt all of these things and may never have got the clinical help she needed. And who is to say if she did get the help that it would have made a difference.
I'm sorry for her family and friends lose but in the end we make our own choices in life and she felt like she had to make that one.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
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I think that Mark Burnett and CBS should take at least some responsibility for this. Why didn't they have counsulors available to help this woman cope with what happened after she was booted off of the show?
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I cannot see where being on a reality show can lead to suicide! There has to be much much more wrong with a person's life that they would choose suicide. I refuse to believe losing on Pirate Master can cause anyone to end it all, all by itself.
Many contestants in many reality shows have gone through much more humiliation, and ridicule and hatred than Cheryl. It has to be more than that.
Committing suicide over a boyfriend is dumb too. It must be more than that also.
> I cannot see where being on a reality show can lead to suicide! ... Committing suicide over a boyfriend is dumb too.
You, apparently, have a rather calm life that you are relatively happy about. You are lucky.
People who commit suicide are just not thinking very rationally at the time. The recent changes in their lives just look too big to ever overcome.
Most reality-show contestants quit their job to go on the show. They hope the money and fame will compensate. Maybe that's what she argued with her boyfriend about.
So, she got booted early and the show tanked. Her boyfriend killed himself and she very likely blames herself. She is also jobless and no one even wants to interview her.
I can see where that is a lot of bad things happening all at once and it might have tipped her over the edge.
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Wrongo about the "calm life". I have had as much upheaval as anyone else in life; it was not exceptionally calm. In my single days I had incredible dirt done to me by men but nothing was a reason to kill myself!
Plenty of people lose jobs, quit jobs, act up and get fired from jobs. I never heard of anyone who stayed unemployed in their field for the rest of their lives for any reason (other than legal). Life ebbs and flows. You do not kill yourself because you are having trouble getting a job.
People commit suicide because they are deeply troubled people. I have nothing but sympathy for someone who feels this desperate and hopeless. If I could help them I would.
> People commit suicide because they are deeply troubled people.
Actually, it is because they are weak. The strong people lose their job and then shrug it off and get another one. The strong people laugh when they get kicked off of a reality show early. The strong ones mourn for a loved one and then move on with their life.
The weak ones dwell too much on the negative and succumb to the powerful bad feelings.
I will grant you that a few people who commit suicide are deeply troubled, but most of them are simply weak people.
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> Well when the stock market crashed way back in the 1930's ppl jumped out of windows commiting suicide
While I think some people did jump out windows after the crash, I've seen sources that indicate that it was really only a couple of people and that their deaths were widely pubicized and held up as a deadly consequence of gambling on the stock market.
In other words, it wasn't raining bodies. Most sources say that the Great Depression that followed the crash was a lot more deadly to people and their economic futures.
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
> People commit suicide because they are deeply troubled people.< *My original statement*
>Actually, it is because they are weak.<*Your answer to my statement*
It is also because they are impulsive, and unable to look ahead past their present troubles into a future that holds more possibilities. They feel their world has ended, and they end their lives. Rather than wait it out, deal with it and ride it out, as painful as that will be; and see things return to normal and/or improve.
There are only a few situations that I can understand not being able to move past. The death of a child is the one that comes to mind. But the loss of a job is not even on the list. A romantic interest, man or woman, is not worth killing yourself over, either.
> There are only a few situations that I can understand not being able to move past.
A terminal illness is another situation where I would condone suicide.
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"Music is a world within itself, with a language we all understand." - S. Wonder
>>A terminal illness is another situation where I would condone suicide. <<
Above your comment.
I would not use the word 'condone' as I think people should do whatever the heck they want to do whenever the heck they want to do it. As long as they are not stepping on the rights of others of course. So if someone wants to kill him/herself, or anything else, they can have a party, as far as I care. I was just thinking of situations when I could understand not being able to live past something happening.
It's very sad that Cheryl killed herself. But I think calling her weak is just mean. You have no idea what was going through her head. It could have been a number of things. Maybe it didn't even have anything at all to do with Pirate Master. Also calling her weak is like disrespecting her memory. So rude.
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I can't believe I'm even arguing in this stupid thread, because this debate lone is ridiculous. was it wrong to commit suicide? No. Why? Because it's her life. That's like saying it's wrong for someone to move away from their parents' house. No one has the right to tell another being what they can and can't do with their life unless it involves harming another person.
And please don't bring up the stupid idea that *gasp!* she hurt her family doing that! According to you the family shouldn't be upset at all unless they're a bunch of weaklings. So who cares about their opinion anyways?
One fact I've yet to see brought up is that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Calling her weak is like calling a cripple weak, or someone with cancer weak. Stop m*sturbating to your own life and realize that not everyone thinks like you.
Finally someone on this board who has hit the nail on the head. The point you made about depression is spot on.
I'm sick of trying to be nice and get my point across to the person i was originaly debating with. All the responses clearly show what the majority of people think, and that is she was not weak and she had a right to commit suicide.
All i want to say is i hope she is in a better place now.
"Suck my fat one, you cheap dime store hood." Gordie-"Stand By Me"
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Well it wasn't me that called suicidal people rude and weak, it was bing. I said they are deeply troubled people. Watch who you hit the reply button to, and who you beeyatch out.
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