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This movie sucked in so many ways.


I just saw this and i can not understand why WHY the hell people seem to like it, please explain to me what made this movie so great becuse I cant see anything good with it.
The acting is horrible, the script is stupid and to be honest everything that is cool about the movie has been seen already.

Lately i feel that the Japanese productions are getting so damn overhyped, combine that with played out director who seem to be able to film a piece of dog *beep* for like an hour and people will go "thats soooo cool" and give it a 4 out of 5 star rating in a *beep* sec.

To all Japan nuts out there, everything that comes from japan does not necessary always has to be cool. And this movie proves it in many ways.
You guys are just busting the rating system om imdb.

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Well, it was made in japan for american theatrics, in english to blend two worlds. None of the cast spoke english as a secomd language besides the leader of the whites. Stop being so closeminded

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This is not Miike's best, but it was a lot of fun, with enough plot to carry the film and interesting characters. Some scenes do feel a bit flat (everything with Tarantino specially) but aside from that this is one solid flick. The english was quite understandable for the most part.

Japanese productions are getting overhyped? Funny, i hardly see any promotion for Japanese films over here. Who is making all this so called hype? And to which japanese films?

"I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but hostility, chaos and murder."

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Absolutely dreadful. What a terrible movie. Nothing "funny" about this waste of time, money and celluloid. If this movie came from America everyone would say it was crap, but somehow, it being from japan makes it good or even great in some peoples minds. As if our standards are lowered when seeing a foreign film. Crappy movies are crappy movies, the country of origin does not matter. I'm not seeing any more of these over-hyped Japanese movies.

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pretend this movie was made entirely in the US by american filmmakers/actors... it most likely WOULD be total crap. it would probably be called "Ramen Noodle Western Movie" or something equally retarded, and made by the same people who made such classic films as 'Scary Movie', 'Date Movie', and 'Epic Movie.'

there's obviously a vast difference between 'Sukiyaki...' and those movies.

japanese movies being overly hyped just for the fact that they're japanese... i agree, that really is extremely stupid... a good movie's a good movie, regardless of where it comes from (and crappy ones are crap, as you said lonco). this movie was entertaining to me, i enjoyed watching it. i liked the style, the humor, the action, the story, the characters, etc. yeah, a lot of parts were "bad", but in a "good" way.

perhaps you guys went into this movie thinking it was going to be just another "over hyped japanese film" so you watched it with contempt and hated it for all the reasons other people enjoyed it?

but anyway, for the OP, this movie was great because of the sum of its parts. the story was totally derivative of "war of the roses" and "romeo and juliet" and the original "django", but it seemed more of an homage to them than just a rip-off or as just another spoof. there was a very serious plotline going throughout the movie, broken up from time to time with cheesy one liners, slapstick and audio/visual gags keeping things fresh and lightening some scenes up. then in direct contrast there were some really dramatic and violent scenes. the whole visual style was really cool: i liked the look of the film, and particularly the scenes with tarantino looking like it was done as a stage-play.

to sum up, the movie was like a mash-up of a western-samurai-action-comedy-drama, and in my opinion did each one of those parts well, which is what made this movie great... for me anyway.

i love miike, but his movies really are hit or miss. this just happens to be one of the ones that struck a chord with me.

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"If this movie came from America everyone would say it was crap, but somehow, it being from japan makes it good or even great in some peoples minds."

so aholes like you dont come to Japan. feel free to never watch another Miike film.

let the real fans appreciate his work and go back to your PSP Controllers.

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Saying Scary Movie is a masterpiece does not only make you sound stupid, it proves it too...

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If you didn't like the movie, give it a bad rating up were the stars are. That is what that is for. If you really hate it that much, then don't watch it. Just ignore its existence. You don't need to hate on people who do like it. And the Scary Movie analogy? Well, there is a vast difference in quality between the original Scary Movie and the <insert genre name> Movie's that have come out in recent years. Kind of like how there is a huge difference between a penny and a dollar, but no one would claim that a dollar is a huge amount of money. There are a lot of things that I think are horrendous and could never imagine liking, but I don't feel the need to go on message boards and harass people who do like them.

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This film was a Tribute to Sergio Corbuci DJANGO. And basically a spoof on all spaghetti westerns. And the fact that nobody on this board was intelligent enough to figure it out astounds me. There 2 versions of this film, the one were everybody is speaking in horrible english, which most spaghetti westerns that couldn't afford a english dubbing had to do and then there the version with english dubbing done by british actors, which the original Danjo had.

I personally considered this one of the funniest and most bizarre tributes to spaghetti westerns since My Name Is Nobody.

So calm down cry babies, if your too stupid to appreciate a silly movie then you shouldn't be complaining.

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My DVD has the wonderful good fortune of having the original English (or Engrish as we like to call it) dubbed English, and dubbed Japanese. And I will not lie, the Engrish is by far the better version. And I challenge anyone who is bringing up this problem of language to go back and watch some of our classic spaghetti westerns and tell me that the side-characters weren't either dubbed out of their asses or spoke broken english there too. That sums up exactly what this thing is spoofing.

However it manages one better by being a spoof that stands on its own merits. It doen't take scene for scene from the greats and try to make it look assenine. It takes some scenes and ideas and expands and moulds them into its own perfect fit.

And I can safely say that there is a difference with it being made in Japan, it's also for Japanese audiences, quite principally in fact. And so far, from what I can tell, and judging by the number of copies that are constantly out from Tsutaya, it's gone down pretty well. The world isn't just out to please America. How your country handles foreign films is your problem, but don't take that as a symptom of the foreign industry at large.

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I saw it yesterday in the cinema and this is an absolute masterpiece!!!

The comments I read....wow....how these guys are missing the point is stunning.
It's an absurd movie and every image in this picture is absolutely amazing. A great mix of Leonestyle and samuraimovies.

And yes....the actors speak badly English...which is why it's so damn funny and Miike understands that.

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I saw this with eng sub, and it's pretty awesome imo

" Look, there's two women fuc*ing a polar bear!" - Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas 1998

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You're so exactly correct with everything said in your post. Props.

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well said, sir...

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you people are so cute. i just love how stupid people go and say "you just like it cause its japanese" you know what. there is no differnce with this and any clint eastwood crap! maybe the differnce is... this is a joke movie! and it may just be me but.... i cant remember the last time i went to see a movie that was american or canadian or well.. english that i didnt leave the theater wanting the my money and 2 hours of my life back. and american movies are just as overhyped look at the steaming pile of crap "no country for old men"

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Man, if you think that No Country for Old Men was crap and that all Eastwood westerns suck, then clearly and obviously this movie isn't for you. But really, in light of that we really can't argue much with you on that one.

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You know people have no arguments to criticize a movie when they start using lines like "people like this because is japanese/foreign/hip/etc"

"I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but hostility, chaos and murder."

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Now with the remake-frenzy of everything asian, you can compare and realize that the american counterparts are normally worse than bad. But then, there are people who think that "The ring" is an american classic...

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God, the Japanese seemingly become more stupid as each day passes. I forgot Tarantino had something to do with this; that means Sukiyaki Western Django isn't a priority on my viewing list. I'll stick with the original Django and other good Spaghetti Westerns, made back when being an Italian hack simply came with the job. Tarantino is worse than that - he's a post-modern hack, and the Japanese fascination with escapism has officially become boring. There *IS* a brainless crowd that inhales anything the Japs fart out and proclaim it a masterpiece, regardless of quality. That's a no-brainer.

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There *IS* a brainless crowd that inhales anything the Japs fart out and proclaim it a masterpiece, regardless of quality. That's a no-brainer.


There's also people who will love everything that hollywood makes, or everything that Tarantino makes, so your point is?

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Most of the people slagging off this film have no business posting on a films forum, since they're so obviously missing the point. Which is that Miike has put together a brilliant parody of so many different films - one film which is missing is 'Once Upon A Time In The Italian West' - and the plainest reference for that is the name on the cross with which the sheriff is impaled - Mercedes Zaro.

This same bunch of clowns would sit and watch a Noh theatre offering in the original Japanese, and slag it off for what they perceived as faults or errors. It is an unbelievably arrogant attitude to make such generalised criticisms of things you don't understand, and never in a million years would it occur to you to make the effort to watch the reference films and *then* comment.

You have the attention span of a mosquito and the brain capacity of a wood louse. I fart in your general direction.


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"God, the Japanese seemingly become more stupid as each day passes."

You obviously haven't been to Japan my good sir. They're light years ahead of us... but reading your comments I wouldn't expect you to know that.

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LOL! Good one! I don't understand why all the haters. I just completed watching it, Tarantino scenes were to the point that my husband asked me to hit him over the head with the chair, but other than that, it was pretty good, I completely loved the 'Benten' character, I wish they expounded more on her, I've never seen that in western/spaghettis, the woman is usually always raped and subjugated to some demeaning status. The ones ranting about how horrible it is, the Zohan movie with Adam Sandler comes to mind as one of the worst movies ever for this year.

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All of Miikes movies have been horrible, to me anyway.
I've thought one was good, I could tolerate two more, but Big Bang love and 5 of his other films just left me in utter boredom. If he doesnt stick to over the top gore, all that's left is boring cinema with little coherence.

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If he doesnt stick to over the top gore, all that's left is boring cinema with little coherence.


No, Miike can work in any genre, mood and style, the guy is not a gore flick machine. If you're looking just for gore flicks then try somewhere else.


''Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you."

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"There's also people who will love everything that hollywood makes, or everything that Tarantino makes, so your point is?"

That's exactly my point. Everything has a fanboy crowd.

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That's exactly my point. Everything has a fanboy crowd.


And for that reason one should judge things regardless of the people who likes it or hates it.

''Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you."

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Is it possible to understand its intentions and homages and STILL think it's a crap movie? Because I'd be the evidence. "It's an homage-it's a spoof- it blends genres- you don't get it- blah blah blah..."

The day these filmmakers stop 'homaging' and name dropping every friggin good movie and influence that came before them is the day people realize how hollow some of this tripe is. In my opinion, films need to stand on their own without the knowledge of the past counterparts to be a worthwhile film experience.

I respect the effort- I usually love the absurdity of Miike's films...but I'm sorry it's frustrating how this one has way too many flat moments for me to recommend it or even consider it entertaining. Still- Takashi's genius is here for some of the action sets and his violence is as impactful, clever, and imaginative as it usually is. Fanboy or not you can't take away this guy's knack for being the best at bloodshed- be it humorous, brutal, or just plain oddly disturbing- IN THE WORLD.

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I fully agree that defending a film because is "just a homage" is silly as hell. I liked this one because of it's own merits, not because of the Django references, or any other i might have missed.

''Never trouble trouble till trouble troubles you."

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Sukiyaki Western Django was mostly just boring. That was its biggest problem. It simply wasn't interesting. I've seen enough spaghetti westerns to understand that it is basically a parody (I feel parody is more accurate than spoof for the most part) - but it isn't a clever or funny one. Apparently, some people find this film hilarious. I don't. So basically, I'm left with a film with a bunch of irritating characters who try to be funny and fail, obnoxious English (on a side note, I've heard some pretty bad English in Spaghetti Westerns, but nothing remotely comparable to SWD), a few pretty images, a dose of brutality, and some fairly dull action scenes.

I must also admit on the whole I don't like Miike's style, which probably doesn't help.

It's a 4/10 from me.

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It was a fun goofy western, folks need to loosen up....whaddya expect?


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Well said.

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saw this movie in horrible english BUT thats NOT THE POINT..!!!

probably the best movie i've seen in a few months...!


ANYONE complaining about the story, or comparing it to some other film are just plain STUPID!!!

COOLEST MOVIE!

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Yeah? Well in my opinion anyone who screams out intermittently in caps is some douche being reemed in the ass. IN and OUT eh bud?

Anyone who thinks this movie was meant to be "smart" is riding Miike's dick. This was clearly meant to be silly, foolish, and a guilty pleasure- yet it's boring, flat, and sucky. Great ideas that don't play well together. Irritating dialogue is a downer- no matter what the genius intention is- it pulls you right out of the whole thing so you wish you could physically harm some of these actors for the way they talk. Being frustrated isn't funny:

Imagine an entire movie cast with people who sounded like Rosie Perez...OHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's sooooooooooooo funny. Whenever Asians try blending in North American humour they misfire horribly and vice versa.

S**t in Donald Trump's hand is still a piece of s**t. You're stupid if you somehow think it's made of gold. Apply this to Miike and your other suck offs.

Defend the guy- but don't cut us down for simple opinions. We can be civil or pissed off and touchy...


RF

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Anyone who thinks this movie was meant to be "smart" is riding Miike's dick. This was clearly meant to be silly, foolish, and a guilty pleasure- yet it's boring, flat, and sucky. Great ideas that don't play well together. Irritating dialogue is a downer- no matter what the genius intention is- it pulls you right out of the whole thing so you wish you could physically harm some of these actors for the way they talk. Being frustrated isn't funny


That's still your opinion, some people had fun with this one, others didn't. No shocking discovery here.


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"ANYONE complaining about the story"...."are just plain STUPID"

??!

Isn't a movie's story one of the most important parts of the movie? If a movie's story disappoints, well, there's not much left really, is there?

You're right though, sort of. The horrible English is not the point. However, if you're going to have dialogue in a film then you intend for the dialogue to be somewhat important. If your audience cannot understand the dialogue then you have failed to communicate a large portion of the story. Sub-titles are fine, when they're needed. And they were definitely needed for this movie. Or dubbing - which I have never had a major problem with.

The problem is: many people liked this movie before they even watched. In other words, they made up their mind that this was going to be a masterpiece regardless of how it turned out.

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After watching this movie I realized I'm not really a Miike fan. I've seen many of his movies including Audition, Fudoh, Dead or Alive, Visitor Q, Imprint, 3 Extremes, Izo, Gozu, Full Metal Yakuza, and Ichi The Killer. Of those the first one I saw and the only one I've every really loved was Ichi. I know it's heresy, borderline blasphemy, to say that but it's true.

Django had some great moments and some wonderful shots (the hero coming out of the hut, the tracking shot of the girls' escape, the reveal of Benten). It has the trademark violence, though it's toned down a little and some excellent character moments.

But the bad english, bad dialogue and some really unrealistic things took me out. If I watched as if it were a Miike fantasy film that happened to take place in the west, it was pretty good. But it fails as a western, and is a real missed opportunity to revisit the western with Japanese eyes (where so many spaghetti stories came from).

It's an above average Miike film, best in some time, but it's not a good western and really a "fans only" type picture.

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Cool movie but the ENGRISH was not needed. Just do it in Japanese. Anyone interested enough in this movie to watch it will not mind reading subtitles.

Also, when The Gunman jumps out of that window and landed on the horse, we did NOT need that freeze-frame crap. Totally ruined the moment.

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Yes, this movie utterly sucks don't bother with it...
Boring characters, bad acting, stupid screenwriting and all those "jokes" and "references" that aren't funny at all... top it off with bad English of which you'll likely only understand ~70% and no Subs and you'll be praying for the end the full last hour of this movie...
Kinda like Gozu with guys wearing bras, beating "Yakuza dogs" and goat-demon milk or what was it... hell at least I managed to sit through THIS one from start to end and didn't turn it off halfway through...

If all his movies are like this/similar I'll have to see that I stay far away from them in the future.

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