I love movies about multi millionaires crying about how rich they are from feeding the masses vapid *beep* Jamie Kennedy was great in "Scream," but I'll never forget the story I heard about how he went on a date with a girl and all she could talk about was how hot Skeet Ulrich, his co-star in that film, was.
Keep rollin' with Bob Saget, Kennedy, and hopefully one day, you can be as funny as him.
This movie is not about Jamie Kennedy just whining. Hes making a point of how out of hand hecklers have become. Did you watch the trailer? Its ridiculous, one guy gets punched?
shareSure, some hecklers are out of line, but the trailer spends more time complaining about professional critics and making really bad arguments.
If I was forced to watch Malibu's Most Wanted while getting a blow job, it wouldn't make me like the movie more, it would make me hate blow jobs.
I watched the trailer. It looks like the documentary is two hours about how "artists" hate critics, except when guys like Jamie Kennedy and Uwe Boll complain about critics, it's not because they're misunderstood genius. They legitimately make crap and make money off it. It'd be one thing if someone I respect was making this and it wasn't so obviously just sour grapes. But this is Jamie Kennedy, a guy who's a legitimate loser who even when on a date with a girl, gets asked about the other guy he worked with. That's some sad stuff right there. Whining about critics and arguing that Cody Banks 2 might be a good movie if the critics just removed the sticks from up their ass is bull.
shareWow, sounds like your the one that has sour grapes. Who says just becuause you don't respect them that nobody else does??! Granted you can speak your opnion but don't think your opinion is majority. I wonder if it's bull becuase you say it is or is it bull becuase the studios gave the green light to go ahead and make the movie? The trailer looks good, critics should be critiqued imo. They can say what they think why can't it be the other way around?
Would I rather be feared or loved? Um.. both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me.
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"Whining about critics and arguing that Cody Banks 2 might be a good movie if the critics just removed the sticks from up their ass is bull." Cody Banks 2 is a good movie for the people it was made for, kids, and what makes us miss sight of that simple reality is... an entire tradition of critics having sticks up their asses. So you're exactly wrong.
shareIt's already been mentioned in this thread, but the best point about why this documentary is ludicrous is that it's Jamie Kennedy with Rob Zombie, Uwe Boll, etc. This is not a group of unappreciated genius directors and actors, it's a group of people who make poor films. Malibu's Most Wanted, Son of Mask, any of Rob Zombie's or Uwe's films, not one of these films qualifies as art. If this documentary was about Fellini, or Spielberg, or any other worthy, artistic director, or actor, then I could understand, but to say that a Jamie Kennedy movie is a poorly directed, poorly acted, and unfunny movie is not a fallacy, it is instead a reality. The only reason that people like Jamie Kennedy and Rob Zombie and Uwe Boll make me so disappointed is that for every one of them that gets to make a movie some talented person misses out on their chance. If you can make a movie, like Malibu's Most Wanted, in a short period of time, for a low budget, and you can make some money off of it then a studio is going to be more willing to make that than say Apocalypse Now, which went over time and over budget. But in the end, do we want a movie library littered with films like Son of Mask, or do we want true artistic films? The most confusing part of it all is that movies like Son of Mask, or Bloodrayne don't even seem to make their money back, according to boxofficemojo.com, and that's including the international box office.
The point remains that not every film that Spielberg directed, or Lucas directed was great, but they at least have a history of good movies to stand on, whereas a person like Kennedy or Boll has a history of dissapointing failures. You have to have talent before you can complain about someone disrespecting it.
Ditto. I understand that movies can be incredibly difficult to make, even the bad ones, and it's understandable that people would get upset when their project is critically panned. How would you feel if you were mocked and reviled for an 80 page thesis paper? Still, the job critics have is to pass judgement on movies. I'm not sure if reviews in general have become more personal and vicious over the years, but if they have, it's probably more societies fault anyway. People would rather read catty reviews about bad movies then critically constructive ones, so most critics are brats nowadays. Still, most of them are just doing their jobs, and giving the public what they want, in opposition to the actors and film makers who make generally bad movies.
That being said, every actor and artist does have a right to speak out against there harshest critics, and from what I gather from the trailer, it does look like sometimes hecklers really take it too far. Sometimes, as we've seen with Michael Richards, those being heckled can take it too far too. Ultimately, it seems to lead to some pretty bad situations.
The best thing to do is to just ignore movies and comedians you don't like. I'm not a Jamie Kennedy fan, so, I don't go to his movies, or see him do stand up. At the same time, I don't spend day after day bashing him on his imdb page or anything. If what he's doing pays the bills and makes him happy, then hey, more power to him. While he seems to do pretty poorly at the box office and on T.V., the man has a fanbase and at least keeps trying, and probably does truly love what he does. Personally I think he should just learn to accept that critics are never going to be friendly toward him, and just do what makes him happy. Then again, maybe bashing the critics is what makes him happy, in which case it looks like he's doing a pretty good job.
Although I really don't think from what I've seen in the trailer that this movie is technically a "documentary", which back in the day was supposed to mean you got an equal balance between two sides of an issue, I am still actually pretty interested to see this film. It's everyones right to defend themselves, although it's too bad we probably won't be hearing the hecklers side of the story.
as I read through your post I realized that you make a really good point. It isn't worth it to worry about people like Kennedy, and I certainly don't want to be caught up in this whole debaucle. Although, I still contend that while hecklers at a comedy show are jerks, critics are just analyzing something that is presented; and it is true critics can be mean, but that's been true since the days of Katharine Hepburn, (for while she was labelled "box office poison"). I think I was just mostly offended by Kennedy's handling of the situation, and suprised that he was shocked that not everyone liked his films, which are generally pretty poor.
As a good example I just saw Chris Rock on Inside the Actor's Studio the other day, and he said something along the lines of, "if someone doesn't like my comedy show, if someone doesn't like my movies, if I can't make them laugh, it's my fault" Although it might be a pretty big fish to swallow he took full responsibility for people not liking his material, and he was on the stand-up circuit for something like 10 years straight.
But it is true that if critics were kinder, while still giving their true opinions and critically analyzing the movies that are bad, then maybe people like Kennedy wouldn't get their feelings hurt. However I still contend that his only shot is to just try to make better movies. And it still upsets me to know that his movies are being green-lit while films that could be great never see the light of day, but that responsibility really lies in the hands of the film companies...
I actually saw the film at Tribecca months ago, and the film is a documentary. There are critics in the film, who give their opinions. He interviews some of the critics who insulted him really creatively. Wishing death upon him, and, as I recall, something about some kind of rape.
The thing is, that there's a difference between a critic and a heckler. A critic can say, "Okay, wasn't into that. Acting wasn't great, blah blah." A heckler is, "Jamie Kennedy was so bad in that I hope he gets his limbs chopped off and beaten with them and that everyone in his family is murdered."
I am a big fan of sites like televisionwithoutpity, rottentomatoes, etc, and I was able to see the other side.. It was very interesting and actually the best thing I've seen Jamie Kennedy do. It's worth watching.
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so you don't like son of mask and Malibu and whatever, you are not the world, people and I mean a lot of people enjoyed it, as someone in this movie said If a movie's target audience is 14 yr olds and made with them in mind, with fart jokes, how can a 30 year old who likes drama and sophisticated stuff find it funny or good. Everyone has a different world view, I loved Arrested Development, a lot of the people did'nt, so it was canceled, does not mean it was not funny.
shareI enjoyed hearing what the people I respect had to say. I enjoyed hearing David Cross and Patton Oswalt talk. I even enjoyed the sincere moments with Harland Williams and Carrot Top, among others. I did not enjoy Jamie Kennedy setting up scenarios where he could try to gain a fanbase through cheap jokes that were, in my opinion, also pathetic. A film which shows the affects that harsh criticism, heckling, etc. can have on a performer is a wonderful idea. This was more about Jamie Kennedy trying to validate the crap he's made and to expose more people to his comedy. Showing clips from a show where you were heckled is fine, but the burning of the reviews with a cheap "fat girl" laugh at the end were really distasteful and completely missing the point. I wanted a sincere documentary, but I got so much bull along with the good that it became painful. The complaint that reviews shouldn't be personal is valid, but Kennedy made personal attacks on the critics he interviewed. Some directors complained about criticism they've received when it is clear that they probably never intended to make a good film. There is even a clip of Andrew Dice Clay acting like a lunatic and his complaint about the interviewer is taken seriously.
Would someone mind making a better version of this movie? I'd really love to see this topic taken seriously.
That sucks his date was like that.
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