Fly


I am a fan of the show... aside from some affected performances from a couple of the actors I got hooked. I'm curious to see if others might agree with me though that there was one really bad episode and that is "Fly".

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Fly is one of the best episodes of the series.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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How did I know this would be the response?

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How did I know that a new thread with the same pronouncement would show up again? Because so many others have proclaimed the same thing, and without exception they've all revealed that they didn't have access to the episode. They thought they had, but they didn't actually perceive enough context to appreciate it.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I have watched it, twice during a series binge. I just hit it again. What are you saying exactly?

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You replied to yourself.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I loved the episode. Sorry, OP.

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I can honestly say I never got bored on any episodes

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There was an especially tense moment where WW almost tells JP that he killed Jane.

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That is my favorite part of the episode. As he is falling asleep he almost says it. Only if it had spit out, can you imagine the rest of the show? Jesse loved her. Wow, love this scene

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I loved the episode. Sorry, OP.

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I personally love the episode, although I know it is a divisive one. The Walt&Jesse interaction in it is really good, and while it doesn't really advance the plot as such, it does develop the relationship between them. Breaking Bad manages to have a rather perfect combination of being both story- and character-driven show, Fly definitely is pure character interaction but I love it for what it is.


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it doesn't really advance the plot as such

Not directly, but indirectly I think it has enormous impact.

Consider that the ep contains THE breakthrough revelation for Walt: "It's all contaminated." He now knows that corruption pursues him everywhere, that it's permanent -- a new fly appears in the bookended last scene.

Structurally -- the intersection of character and plot -- this ep marks the peak, terminal point of what has been Walt's long and increasingly desperate effort to deny that he is truly past the point of no return. From now on, that changes -- he's increasingly freed of that delusion, eventually descending to the point where Jesse watches in horror as he literally whistles while he works just after rationalizing Drew Sharp's murder.

The events in Fly are so intensely experienced by Walt -- helped by sleep-deprivation and psychotropic drugs, a mix of sleeping pills and caffeine -- that they are able to permanently rupture his fantasy that he's still acting righteously -- that he is still redeemable. He can't get relief from his conscience, he can't tell Jesse he killed Jane. "It's all contaminated" -- he realizes there is no escape. Except, for losing consciousness. Which literally happens in the ep. Consciousness/awareness of conscience. Thereafter, he's much better able to quarantine and pretty much eliminate from his mind this most demanding human quality.

The ep marks the point when Walt realizes he no longer has a soul to lose. Well, that's pretty much everything. Naturally this will have a huge impact on subsequent events, since if he's already doomed he no longer needs to hold back. Fly is about forcing a profound revelation, and that's never neutral. It always has consequences, good or bad.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Naturally this will have a huge impact on subsequent events, since if he's already doomed he no longer needs to hold back.


This is a really good observation. Walt says in Fly that his ideal life span is already over, that he should have died long ago to actually accomplish what he set out to accomplish (a certain amount of money for his family, them to remember him as he wanted to be remembered.) For those who insist Walt always did everything "for the family", it didn't take until Felina for him to admit that was not the case. His morose angst in Fly was enough to demonstrate he was no longer doing what he was doing for the same purpose he started with. He had already lost a certain amount of the respect he wanted his family to have, and had already made enough money, so by this episode we can safely surmise "family" isn't his driving motivation anymore (not that there isn't enough evidence for that earlier, there is since episode one of season one, but here it is outright stated.)

Every time Walt gets morose it has a huge impact on his character, and his character is obviously the driving force behind the whole story. I love all the episodes like this - 4 Days Out, Fly, Salud... They give a glimpse to real Walt, behind his manipulation, behind the Heisenberg alter ego, behind his "this is how a man should be like" persona.

Oh by the way sorry for the super late reply! I re-discovered this thread due to your post in the new one. 


Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

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Better late than never!

Every time Walt gets morose it has a huge impact on his character, and his character is obviously the driving force behind the whole story

Good point. I enjoy noting each of a protagonist's major emotional events and correleating them to major plot developments. The result is literally a map of consciousness and its external effects -- the psyche making the external world in its image.

I look at much drama, and life, that way. In Walt's case, the external creation was hell, arising from, and reflecting, his inner landscape.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Fly is as filler as it gets. The only good thing about it is Jesse's reaction to how incredibly autistic Walt is being about the fly. "Wait, did you try our product" or something.

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Well, one thing's for sure, that's a filler post.

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Finally an honest response. The acting feels affected as though the director told them to improv. The question if he tried the product is funny. And it gets a bit better at the end with Walt's apologetic dialogue. But the whole premise of the episode is off. As much as cooking meth is an art or better yet scientific project that Walt takes great pride in, I seriously doubt that the character would care that much about one fly in the lab given how bad the product is in and of itself for the customer, etc.

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"Honest" just means "What I like." You insult everyone who thinks differently than you. That's dishonest.

I seriously doubt that the character would care that much about one fly in the lab given how bad the product is in and of itself for the customer, etc.

You seriously missed the nature of his character, and the context bearing on him at that point.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Finally an honest response.


IMDb IS a good place to seek validation to the "my opinion"="right opinion". But it's pretty obnoxious.


Do you even know what honor is?
- A horse.

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Late response here but just wanted to mention, Walt was a perfectionist. A grew example is the scene where he's preparing jr's lunch, how meticulously he goes about it.

He took great pride in the quality of his product. Even if it was poison for drug addicts who couldn't care less, in walts mind it had to be perfect.

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