"Just so you know this isn't personal"

I beg to differ, Walt is not a villain, he has the heart of a hero. He may have done things that could be interpreted as morally questionable, hell even Batman tortured Maroni to get information about the Joker out of him but his heart was always in the right place and he did what he did for the right reasons. The problem is everyone around him was a self-righteous arrogant a$$hole who just wanted to bring him down because they were jealous of him. Hank made me want to vomit, I so wanted him to die slow but at least he died. F-cking pig.

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I beg to differ, Walt is not a villain, he has the heart of a hero. He may have done things that could be interpreted as morally questionable, hell even Batman tortured Maroni to get information about the Joker out of him but his heart was always in the right place and he did what he did for the right reasons. The problem is everyone around him was a self-righteous arrogant a$$hole who just wanted to bring him down because they were jealous of him. Hank made me want to vomit, I so wanted him to die slow but at least he died. F-cking pig.

Then you missed the entire point of the show. Vince Gilligan himself said Walt became a villain. Should I trust your interpretation or Vince Gilligan the writer of the show? Second morally questionable? Yeah no sorry. Walt is not a saint like you paint him out to be. You are a sick person for thinking he is a hero as well. People like you are scum of the earth. Do I think Walt is an excellently written character yes but I would not be caught dead saying he is a hero like you seem to think.

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I don't see Walt as a villain "villain". I see him more as an anti-hero, which is just another way of saying "villain protagonist".

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Sorry but I disagree with Vince Gilligan, Walt was a desperate man and had to make sure his family had the money they needed. He had everything planned out, everything was going to work out perfectly for everyone yet people like Hank, Marie, Jesse and Skyler just had to screw things up. Face it, everyone would have been just fine if they left Walt alone and let him do his thing. He was the hero, Hank was the villain and I for one am so glad he died like a coward. I cannot forgive what he did to Mike's granddaughter and then TRIED to do the same thing to his own niece and nephew who never did anything wrong to anyone. Seriously Walt was going to be dead soon, he was never going to make another ounce of meth again in his lifetime, his children were innocent, would it really kill Hank to just let the kids have a little bit of happiness, especially since they were about to lose their father? I guess not because Hank getting another promotion was more important.

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You sound like a broken record, Hippo. Seriously.

Walt was a desperate man and had to make sure his family had the money they needed.

You keep saying Walt only did it to leave his family money. If that's true, why didn't he quit when he had multiple chances? Like when Mike offered him 5 million to walk away? 5 million would be more than enough to provide for his family. That easily covers both Walter Jr and Holly's college education, leaves Skyler plenty of money to provide for the family, plus extra. Yet what did he do? He went out of his way to avoid giving up his empire. If he ONLY wanted money for his family, then why didn't he take it? That puts the nail in the coffin for your entire defense.

Hell, even when he made 80 million dollars, Skyler had to convince him end it. He was more than willing to keep going. If he was so hell bent on ONLY making money for his family, why didn't he stop at 10 million? Or 20 million? Or 50 million? Was 50 million dollars not enough to make sure his family was secure? Why didn't he say, "Okay I've made 50 million dollars, my goal is done, time to stop"?

He had everything planned out, everything was going to work out perfectly for everyone yet people like Hank, Marie, Jesse and Skyler just had to screw things up. Face it, everyone would have been just fine if they left Walt alone and let him do his thing.

Everyone would have been just fine if Walt had never entered this dangerous line of work.

I cannot forgive what [Hank] did to Mike's granddaughter and then TRIED to do the same thing to his own niece and nephew who never did anything wrong to anyone.

Walt-worship prevents the afflicted from being able to access other characters, from being able to see the story apart from Walt's perspective. Which is to miss the show, really.

To try to take away the liberty of someone who has caused such pain and misery, a mass-murderer, all done primarily for their own ego-aggrandizement, is sensible and righteous. But it only distresses Walt-worshipers.

Seriously Walt was going to be dead soon, he was never going to make another ounce of meth again in his lifetime, his children were innocent, would it really kill Hank to just let the kids have a little bit of happiness, especially since they were about to lose their father? I guess not because Hank getting another promotion was more important.

Why do you keep coming back to "Hank was after a promotion"? Hank thought his career was (almost certainly) finished the moment his connections to Heisenberg came to light. And he never really wanted the promotion to ASAC to begin with. He only took that post because Marie and the DEA were both persuading him to do so.

Hank had every right to be the aggressor after discovering Walt's horrendous betrayal of himself and family, including his putting the whole family in severe jeopardy in multiple ways, all the crimes he'd committed, and his extreme exploitation of Hank that humiliated him and threatened to end his career.

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Sorry but I disagree with Vince Gilligan, Walt was a desperate man and had to make sure his family had the money they needed. He had everything planned out, everything was going to work out perfectly for everyone yet people like Hank, Marie, Jesse and Skyler just had to screw things up. Face it, everyone would have been just fine if they left Walt alone and let him do his thing. He was the hero, Hank was the villain and I for one am so glad he died like a coward. I cannot forgive what he did to Mike's granddaughter and then TRIED to do the same thing to his own niece and nephew who never did anything wrong to anyone. Seriously Walt was going to be dead soon, he was never going to make another ounce of meth again in his lifetime, his children were innocent, would it really kill Hank to just let the kids have a little bit of happiness, especially since they were about to lose their father? I guess not because Hank getting another promotion was more important.

You can disagree with Vince Gilligan all you want he is the writer of the show. Therefore his words trump yours. Second no Walt had a chance to quit and did not. He had plenty of money for his family to live off of. He continued though because of his greed for power. You find in the end Walt did not do it for the money he did it because that was a place he felt power in his life. He only lied to himself in saying he did it for the money. Sorry Hippo you my friend are lost. Admit that you are wrong and move on. This is not the first time you have been proven wrong and it certainly wont be the last.

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I'll admit that Walt did get a little carried away in Season 5A, I would have taken the buyout personally but that doesn't change the fact that the money was for his family and he was merely trying to take care of his children.

Everyone would have been just fine if Walt had never entered this dangerous line of work.

Except at the beginning of Season 5B everything was fine, Walt was out of the business, the family was happy and Junior and Holly had the money that they needed, it was Hank being a selfish pig that ruined the family. Walt knew what he was doing, Walt was good at what he did, if his horrible family had just stayed out of it things would have worked out perfectly.

To try to take away the liberty of someone who has caused such pain and misery, a mass-murderer, all done primarily for their own ego-aggrandizement, is sensible and righteous. But it only distresses Walt-worshipers.

I'm not excusing Mike's behavior, he broke the law and he deserved to go to jail, what I have a problem with is Hank destroying the life of Kaylee when she didn't do anything to deserve it. Kaylee will now probably become a meth whore like Wendy because Hank just couldn't stand it that she might actually grow up to be happy. The money Mike left her could have gone towards her college education, now she has less opportunities.

Hank was after a promotion, he loved the idea of being ASAC, just listen to how he tried to get Holly to say "ASAC" (which was pretty sick in my opinion). Hank didn't care at all about the family, he only cared about himself and it didn't matter at all to him who he hurt in the process. He couldn't stand it that after everything that happened, Walt was better than him. Walt had children while Hank couldn't get it up, Walt now had more money and Walt was better at delivering drug kingpins to justice. Like I said Hank is a complete and total monster and I was so happy he died. To me he is no better than the Human Centipede doctor. F-cking pig didn't deserve to have a badge.


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I'll admit that Walt did get a little carried away in Season 5A, I would have taken the buyout personally but that doesn't change the fact that the money was for his family and he was merely trying to take care of his children.

I notice that whenever the topic of Walt comes up, there's always got to be a qualification, a rescue operation. You always give him the benefit of a "but..." no matter what he does. So in this case, as soon as you barely allow ("I'll admit that Walt did get a little carried away in Season 5A") for some responsibility on Walt's part, straightaway you have to add the "but" -- as in, "but that doesn't change the fact that the money was for his family and he was merely trying to take care of his children."

...it was Hank being a selfish pig that ruined the family. Walt knew what he was doing, Walt was good at what he did, if his horrible family had just stayed out of it things would have worked out perfectly.

Hank did not willingly take part in destroying his own family -- that is Walt-worship extremism, always desperate to transfer culpability from Walt to anyone else, Hank, Skyler, Marie, Walt Jr., society, the law, whatever. Anyone and anything will do so long as the image of Walt-as-hero is preserved.

You want to blame Hank for acting so undiplomatic towards Walt upon finding out Walt was Heisenberg....which is absurd since you're so wrapped up in Walt's POV that you can't see that Walt was consistently the polar opposite of a diplomat on a regular basis throughout the series. His monstrous ego caused him to fly into tantrums, to sulk, to murder people, to cause mountains more misery than anything Hank did. In fact, Walt's problems started and persisted specifically due to a failure of diplomacy caused by that ego: he sabotaged his own career and dreams and potential in a fit of pique. Much later, even with first-hand experience of Gus's mastery of diplomacy, Walt could never learn it, due to his fatal flaw.

Moreover, due to the same cause, you expect Hank -- or frankly anyone -- to possess nearly superhuman composure and to act tactfully after a horrendous betrayal, which put his whole family in severe jeopardy in multiple ways; committed multiple crimes of the most serious nature, such as mass-murder and planting a bomb in a nursing home; and extreme exploitation that humiliated Hank and threatened to end a career he'd dedicated decades of his life to -- as opposed to Walt, who'd ruined his own due to a fatal lack of diplomacy.

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Walt did get carried away in 5A but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. Plus what he did he did for his family so I am willing to excuse what he did. Like I said earlier he didn't hurt anyone who didn't already deserve it.

Hank did willingly destroy the family, he knew Walt was out of the business, he knew Walt was never going to cook another ounce of meth ever again and the only thing that would result from his actions were Junior and Holly's lives would be ruined and Hank simply didn't care. He was only interested in his own self interests.

Tell me, who did Walt hurt who didn't already deserve it? Walt didn't inflict any misery on any innocent person, everyone he killed was already a willing participant in the drug business and Hank was just jealous that Walt was better at taking down drug dealers than he was. It was all about Hank's ego, he couldn't stand it that Walt was a better person than he was. At least he died knowing that Walt beat him that does give me satisfaction despite Hank not being tortured like he should have.

Hank never would have been in any danger had he kept quiet about Walt, Walt had taken care of the situation and everything would have worked out perfectly if Hank just kept his damn mouth shut but like I previously stated, Hank couldn't stand it that his nerdy brother in law was better than him so he just had to take him down and it didn't matter at all to him that he was taking his own niece and nephew with him. Hank is a deplorable piece of garbage. I hated him more than I have ever hated a TV character, he deserved to die and I'm glad he did.

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Walt did get carried away in 5A but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.

The claim "a little bit carried away" betrays a glaring lack of sense of proportion. It is Walt-worship talking, slavishly using his own words.

Plus what he did he did for his family so I am willing to excuse what he did. Like I said earlier he didn't hurt anyone who didn't already deserve it.

LOL. I can count a bunch of people who got hurt because of Walt's actions, who didn't deserve to get hurt: Walt Jr., Holly, Skyler, Marie, Hank, Mike, Gale, Brock, Andrea, Jane. I can list more, but that's just starters.

Hank did willingly destroy the family, he knew Walt was out of the business, he knew Walt was never going to cook another ounce of meth ever again and the only thing that would result from his actions were Junior and Holly's lives would be ruined and Hank simply didn't care. He was only interested in his own self interests.

I'm wary of announcements of bottom lines. Yours is a bottom line in the sense that it reflects the extreme of reductionism, eliminating all meaning from the story but that convenient for Walt-worship. To accept that bottom line is to miss what the story was about. The whole point of the show is that Walt's perspective is warped. By restricting things so radically, you can depict Walt as the betrayed, and Hank as the betrayer. You can shift responsibility from Walt to Hank. Everyone can become a betrayer but Walt.

Hank never would have been in any danger had he kept quiet about Walt, Walt had taken care of the situation and everything would have worked out perfectly if Hank just kept his damn mouth shut but like I previously stated, Hank couldn't stand it that his nerdy brother in law was better than him so he just had to take him down and it didn't matter at all to him that he was taking his own niece and nephew with him.

You should consider the potential implications of Hank protecting Walt's secrets. Now that he knows Hank is under his thumb, he can approach Hank for more favors, say bailing out his criminal associates when they get arrested, or tampering with evidence or witnesses if necessary.

And what if other criminals find out about this arrangement? They can use this to blackmail Hank into favors for them (like Lydia). And after Walt is gone Hank is probably going to have to watch their money laundering operation, and head off any trouble that arises, a commitment for many years.

And if Walt is eventually found out, after he's gone or not, Skyler's fate on the show would've been Hank's, but he would have had it worse. There's really no upside to getting mixed up in Walt's business unless Hank wanted to go to prison too.

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You can disagree with Vince Gilligan all you want he is the writer of the show. Therefore his words trump yours. Second no Walt had a chance to quit and did not. He had plenty of money for his family to live off of. He continued though because of his greed for power. You find in the end Walt did not do it for the money he did it because that was a place he felt power in his life. He only lied to himself in saying he did it for the money. Sorry Hippo you my friend are lost. Admit that you are wrong and move on. This is not the first time you have been proven wrong and it certainly wont be the last.

Unfortunately Hippo only seems to believe in two things: 1) defending Walt and justifying all of his actions, and 2) criticizing anyone he sees as a "rat" because he thinks he's some kind of tough guy.

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