Judging by the cast and rather limited crew entries :) I'm guessing this entry was submitted by Paul and he may have had to sign a confidentiality agreement with regard to any other info.
I think we've read newspaper reports that Matthew Macfadyen and Phil Davis are attached and some other odd crew have posted the job on their agent's site or blog.
Does anyone with more concrete info want to join the dots for us perhaps?
Thank you
I hope this horrible film never gets off the ground. Fancy Matthew Macfadyen being remotely connected with something like this? I hope it has not been filmed and if so I hope it never sees the light of day.
shareI'm afraid it's in post production by now but it's not a film, it's a only tv drama so you can go out or watch a different channel that night. This is obviously sensitive area for you and I'm sorry for that.{{{}}}}
Thanks parkmate for the info. Yes, I can switch off, I get your point. However, Channel 4 really need to be brought to book if they show such a programme. I think they will be wary after the "Big Brother" debacle, and of course the other disgusting "masterbation" series of programmes they were planning. At least they have postponed showing these. I hope there will be a shake up at the top of Channel 4 soon. You can tell what type of people are at the head of the Channel by the way they let that poor dimwit Jade take all the flack when they should have been issuing apologies all round.
If they try and elicit sympathy for paedophiles in this film, then it will be unforgivable. Our children are in desperate need of protection, we need to vilify paedophiles, however it sounds as though this will be trendy, right on, let's try and understand them sort of rubbish. I won't watch, you're right, I'll leave it to others to critique it. Thanks for the debate though.
i get the point here too, but things like this are made to make people realise real-life and the things that can happen etc. it's like something like trial and retribution but in a different area, and some other tv programmes that are made that can be quite sick. They're made because otherwise we'd have no tv because other programmes cover other things, and others copy, so companies go out and think of different things, some have worse impact than others, it's hard to explain at this time of the morning and excuse me babbling on and probably making no sense but i'm sure you see where i'm coming from
shareyes, I hear you, but with another murder of a beautiful 2 year old in the news, what I am saying is if they give it a sympathetic slant then it will be unforgivable. It will be interesting to see if Channel 4 will chance it after the debacle over BB. Anyway, I will take everyone's advice and not watch it.
shareI'm with you maisiebird. If just one peodophile gets any comfort or sympathy from a movie like this it will be a tragic consequence for children and communities.
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Miaow! Ooops hope that was the right spelling! Paedophiles can't be rehabilitated, so no, this programme will not save anyone.
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Hi entmod, "NO ONE KNOWS HARDLY ANYTHING ABOUT IT!" Quite. Why is that do you think? This word "trolling" amuses me, anytime someone does not agree with someone else's point of view they are deemed a "troll". If "trolling" means hassling some trendy TV executive who thinks it is clever to make this sort of programme, then so be it. Will I stop posting because you say so, give me time to think about it, No.
By the way, if someone shouts during an argument, they have lost the argument.
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Oh dear, I seem to have upset entmod. I am not trolling the posters and this board, I wonder why this person cannot see my point of view about paedophiles. Interesting eh?
shareMaisiebird, The Emperor has no clothes you know, but no one wants to say anything about it.
I will say it again, what gain from a story as this? An actor gets recognition? Please! At the expense of children and adolescents? If you are a mother or not, which I seriously doubt, how could you support this? If one peadophile, only one, gets comfort from watching this movie and goes out and does it again, how would you feel then, entmode? Or are you like the rest of the cynical world where it's not your problem??
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I am from the UK. Integrity and responsibility of Channel 4? Do you remember Big Brother recently? Plenty of integrity and responsibility there eh? Ended up being discussed in the House of Commons. I am at present trying to ascertain the content of this programme and to contact the various agencies before it is screened. You are wrong, I am extremely interested in this thread and it does affect me as I have the bad fortune to come across one of these vile creatures. If I had it in my power it would never see the light of day, but I expect it will be shown and then there should be an outcry.
shareEntmode...so one should not be concerned with the well being of people in other countries is that it??...LOL!!!
sharelsr, thank you for all your support on this board. I am amazed that we are on our own, I would have thought all decent, right-minded people would be thinking the same as we do about this dreadful project. With Matthew Macfadyen's beautifully expressive face, he is bound to illicit sympathy and that will be defending the indefensible. kls - you must see that our innocent children should be protected and giving paedophiles a platform, such as this programme, is irreprehensible.
shareI have heard this dreadful programme is due on April 19. I will contact "The News of the World" and see what they can find out. They have run an extensive campaign against paedophiles. We must roast Channel 4, I fervently feel that the top executives have no idea what they are doing.
shareI see I have come under fire elsewhere for trying to find out just what this programme is all about. There has started to be a bit of name-calling. And these peple are WOMEN! Girls, I appeal to you, protect the children for God's sake.
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kls, I am so sorry that you suffered in the past, it is heartbreaking that so many children have, and still are, encountering these people. How can education and communication help though, these people cannot be rehabilitated. This is a TV drama which from the synopsis states that these people are in a "rehabilitation centre". Channel 4 are not wanting to educate or communicate anything, all they are interested in is the ratings. From what I read the drama is from the paedophile's point of view which is unforgivable, they don't deserve a point of view. That is what is winding me up. I, as one person, can't stop this programme from being shown, but I hope to ask questions about it. I think Channel 4 need to be questioned about it, we need to protect our children. I agree about reality tv, Ch 4 were taken to task about that, and what did they do, they laughed about it, gave a half hearted apololgy, they even had a meeting cheering the fact that the ratings had gone up! These are the people we are dealing with I'm afraid. I am hoping they will get their come-uppance soon and this may be the thing that does it. Hope Matthew isn't pulled down by it as well though. Bad decision on his part. But he is an actor and relies on Agents to put him up for the best parts.
shareI have heard that on another forum I am considered a witch and a spiteful person, greedy, ignorant, even been compared to Hitler! This does not bother me as anyone who knows me knows that I am not like that. My argument is with Channel 4 and standing up to them, not with the fact that these actors have chosen to take part in this programme. I am glad to say that I have never, ever called other posters names like that on any forum, I know I have annoyed people with my views here, I know kls does not agree with me but at least she has been courteous, obviously kindly read my posts and we can agree to disagree. And to reassure everyone, little me is not going to make any difference as to whether the programme is screened or not and I take the point that I can choose to watch or not. I suppose I am frightened that paedophiles are going to get a platform, you know "oh they're misunderstood". I just want Channel 4 to explain themselves. I feel sad Matthew Macfadyen made this choice, to me it is inexplicable, he was given a great chance by Joe Wright, but lesser actors seem to be getting the plum roles and this latest project will not help I'm afraid. I hope this post explains my motives for anyone who may care to read it.
Very well said Maisiebird. And for the record, you have been very forthrite and courteous here and other places. You have a very worthy opinion and have expressed it with dignity, unlike some who disagree and then throw daggers. There are organizations that certainly have more clout than you or me that can fight the good fight as well. You have done yourself proud so don't fret. You have expressed a very worthy opinion to which no one can shut you down for just disagreeing with the status quo!
For those that like to malign and name call just because someone has an opinion other than their own, let me just say you really don't get it. You have already lost and have ripped any shred of credibility from your arguments thus far when you let your bad side take hold...tsk tsk shame on you!
And just to let you know, Topix is a large corporation. If you would like to malign their good name with your put downs and ineuindo's keep it coming and take your chances! Your disclaimers are nothing but rubbish.
So who are the "Twits"???
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kls - just to explain, I think there have been some pretty hard comments being posted on other forums, I think about me, although they don't come out and say so. They seem to think that my posts are personal to Mr Macfadyen, which is ridiculous. I hope he does tremendously well in his career and in fact I would be afraid that this might damage it, if anything. Also Topix seems to come under fire, which is a shame because the forum is very lighthearted. Topix members wouldn't dream of calling people names, it is just not what they are about. The Moderator of one of the forums has stated she reads the posts there to "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". I was very surprised at that, because no discussions whatsoever take place on that forum about other forums, except to promote your own site darcylicious. Gosh I wish we could all be friends. I did know that when I started my campaign against Channel 4 it would be annoying to some people, but it is a shock to read how it has been interpreted by some people, as a spiteful campaign against Matthew, when nothing further could be from the truth. My mind works completely differently from these people, my motives are completely misunderstood but there is nothing I can do, they seem unduly angry at someone they don't even know!
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Thanks lsr, we have been called all sorts of names but this speaks for itself. I hope the News of the World takes up the cudgel and asks some questions. I have written to the Minister for Children, Daily Mirror and the various agencies, but I'm only one person. Joffe calls the good, decent members of the public "bat weilding" so we know where he is coming from! But I mean The Guardian and The Observer, I could have forecast what their article would be. And that photo of Matthew Macfadyen with the little girl! Ugh! He is such a good actor that he is looking repulsively at her. What can her mother be thinking of to allow her child to be remotely connected with this programme? In this liberal country of ours, they will get their way and the drama will be screened, but I was surprised to be so vilified for my views. They completely missed the point when they post that I shouldn't criticise a programme before seeing it, I think we have a right to know what it is about, that's all I was saying, and this morning's article does nothing to ease my concerns. Thank you for your support. Who would have imagined that we would be so hated for expressing concerns over a programme on paedophilia!
shareI'm glad we haven't lost our grasp of reality and what is really important in life, Maisiebird. I would think debate and differing opinions of this film would be welcome from Matthew not the "shut up or get out" routine. Bad for the "ego".
So I'll abandone my "giant ego" for just this one time, (can't get rid of it entirely, LOL) and just say, let's agree to disagree and lay down our weapons PM, Cubbie, KLS and 6point7 and the rest that think we are a bunch of know-nothings at Topix. Because that is simply not true.
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lsr, thanks for your support, you are a good person who is not blinded by Matthew Macfadyen's appearance in this. I see the Guardian newspaper has given solace to the detractors. All the cliches are there. It is enough to make you cry at the crassness of it all, but that is what I would expect to read in The Guardian. Accusations on another forum are that I am one of the bat-weilding public (why is the public to blame for their crimes?) But yes, if one of them appeared in my neighbourhood and I found out about it, I would definitely protest, wouldn't any right-minded person? I have been absolutely vilified over this, I just struggle to see their point of view, as they struggle to see mine. They seem to think I am a horrible person, whereas I think I am only feeling what every right-minded, decent person would feel. A question, if the posters who vilify my views found out that a paedophile was living next to their child's school, what would they do?
sharekls - I would imagine by now you have worked out who I am. I was really heartened by the fact that you complimented the ladies who post on the Topix forum, it is such a lovely place to go. I don't know any of the posters who like making nasty comments, I haven't seen any over there. The ladies just have fun, something like darcylicious and we are very grateful for the information and photos etc which we get from your forum from time to time. Paradoxically, Darcylicious and MMO are highly thought of at Topix!
We have had a robust discussion on Secret Life, and despite my futile efforts it will be screened unless there is a massive public outcry, which in this liberal day and age, when the victim is not even considered, will not happen.
Message to Moderator at MMO, (I can't post there as she believes in censorship apparently!) paedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, they can only be monitored. And to the people who are lobbying, well done! Keep up the good work. But lobby the News of the World, they are running a campaign against these vile people. At least Channel 4 should show the programme to the various agencies first before it is aired. Matthew Macfadyen and the rest of the people involved in this project are going to have a tough time over this drama. Hopefully as a father he will give a thought to the child victims. The bottom line is that he has such a beautifully expressive face that he is bound to evoke sympathy for the character he is playing.
I'm coming late to this debate, so please forgive me if I ask questions that have been asked before.
Maisiebird, you repeat that paedophiles cannot be rehabilitated - would you cite your source for this information? Perhaps that might lessen some of the debate.
The other thing I was wondering: if paedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, then what should be done with them? There was a suggestion that they should all be thrown down a well, but that's not exactly realistic. In a country that doesn't have the death penalty, what measures should be taken against them?
In a country that doesn't have the death penalty, what measures should be taken against them?
No, sorry, it wasn't suggesting that. I just feel that with the belief that paedophiles cannot be rehabilitated, once their sentence in prison is over, what should be done with them? I mean, even a life sentence doesn't mean "life in prison". If they are not to be released back into the community (and, as the drama showed even the smallest thing like take a bus-ride can encounter children), then where should they go? Or should they stay in prison for life, in which case who pays for that?
shareOh right yeah, I get you now. Sorry. I agree that is a very tricky issue. The programme showed how hard it is for convicted offenders to settle back into society, but seeing as they've served their prison time it doesn't seem fair for them to remain locked up forever. It's a very difficult problem to solve, and there isn't nearly enough thought going into it at the moment. That's why I thought Secret Life was so good, because it showed it from the offender's point of view, which is a view often neglected.
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wait a minute, some people think this short film will save a life????
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I fear that maisiebird may be deranged.
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That was simply mesmerizing *BOWS*
Hi there, why do you think I am deranged? Because I have a strong opinion? But your insult doesn't worry me, I have been called worse.
shareI think you are deranged. You talk about the Sun and the News of the World as if they're worth reading.
Did you watch the programme last night? I hope you did, because it showed a man who struggles to fit back into society and eventually fails, due to narrow-minded idiots like you.
No wonder paedophiles have no chance to rehabilitate, with tabloid-reading numbskulls like you making up much of the population.
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