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The kid is really really...


...DUMB.

For someone growing up in such a horrible world you would think he would have at least a bit of sense. His father seemed the cautious type, so for him not to pick up on that and follow suit was extremely obnoxious to me. Naivety only goes so far before it becomes cringe worthy and vapid. Case and point, the boy.

He is constantly making noise at the worst moments. Any real kid in his place would likely be silent due to mental trauma, with survival instincts and his fathers influence further instilling a need to STFU!

I have not read the book, but I sure hope this was creative license taken by the screen writer and/or director meant to add tension. However, it made me want the kid to die more often than not, so if that was the case it was very poorly executed.
Perhaps the boy was supposed to be much younger but they wanted an actor of a more amicable age?

Anyways, for me this was another child character that, instead of instilling a visceral reaction, made me intellectually and rationally question his very essence and existence. I cannot fathom how they got as far as they did with his foolishness, especially since it could have only been worse previously. Unless it was a reverse character arch, which is even more annoying.

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Give it a few years and maybe you'll be a little wiser about children.

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How many years? Is 40 enough? Not sure how old you think I am, but I am not young(unless 40 really is the new 20) and far from inexperienced with children.
I renew my original grievance.

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The kid was sheltered as he was born during the apocalypse.

The father and the boy only go on the road after the mother leaves (dies).

The boy was not fighting for his life during the whole affair. He was being protected by his parents.

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Kid was incredibly annoying, whining all the time. I think a lot of it was down to the actor. He has an incredibly punchable face and irritating voice. This kid also played an annoying child in ‘Let Me In’ who said a bunch of stupid things.

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This is how I felt as well. The kid almost singlehandedly ruined the movie.

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Kids are dumb, yes

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he was naive and unexposed to a world filled with normalcy like K6 education, vacations, playmates, pets. If you paid attention he was born into this shitty world and never knew life as you and I know it today, even with the pandemic.

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That kid did a wonderful job in that role. The way he played that child, about to lose everything he had in the world, and knowing (on the beach at the end) that soon he'd be facing all of that dark wasteland entirely on his own, just broke my heart unlike anything else I've seen onscreen.

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Every moment the kid had on screen I was cringing, but that could be due to awful direction or poor casting. I do not blame the child actor. I only lament the results.

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I've seen the film at least 3 times. I pay attention. Hence my annoyance. The mother died when he was still very young and there is not much sheltering a parent can do in a world like that. Do you think he spent most of his time growing up playing games and reading, or learning how not to die? I would postulate the latter.

We never see exactly when they set out on foot, but it is strongly implied it was as soon as the son could walk on his own.
He appears 8-9 in the film, but acts like a 5-6 year old who actually was sheltered growing up in a non-post-apocalyptic world, which is impossible in the film's reality.

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I would argue the fact that he didn't lead even REMOTELY a normal upbringing, we can't really know just how developmentally handicapped that child may be. On top of that....for all we know, he could be on a spectrum.

It has been a while since I've seen this movie, but I do remember how heartbreaking that kid's vulnerability was....based on his reality, his dependence on his father...and how devastated he was going to be when his dad was gone.
That really worked onscreen for me. It's what made the whole movie work.

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Hah!
If the answer is "he was on the spectrum" I officially hate this movie.

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I guess the part that made me dislike the child the most was when he fell asleep on the beach and somehow managed to not notice anything around him being stolen. The part where the father had to CARRY his son whilst he chased after the thief got me pretty angry at the son. Not only was he useless on the beach by not detecting their camp being ransacked, but he was now a burden to his sick father by having to be carried to catch up to the thief.

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Yup.
All of that annoyed the hell out of me, too. In fact, I am struggling to remember anything the boy did that wasn't stupid, but it has been at least a few years since seeing the film.

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Agree OP. All this kid has known is a post apocalyptic, kill or be killed world. He should be the cold one with his dad perhaps displaying some sense of old world compassion but it's the other way around. The way the kid behaved kind of ruined the film for me. That and the uninspired directing.

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The kid was sheltered. How could you not get that?

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There is no way he could have been sheltered.
Perhaps the book makes sense, but this film does not.
When do you see him being sheltered? As an infant/toddler?
This is a world where being sheltered is impossible.
"He was sheltered" makes no sense unless you can provide evidence of such.

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It really doesn’t make sense that the kids’ helplessness ruins the movie for anyone.

There are kids like that. Many, many kids like that….and in a safe and protected world.

The fact that he was like that (probably from being developmentally traumatized)…just creates more of a challenge for the father (hence an even MORE interesting story arc).

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"Helplessness"?
Huh?
That word or any synonyms have not been used in this thread that I am aware of.
Who said that this kid's helplessness ruined the film? It wasn't me.
I said the kid's nonsensical and ridiculous behavior makes it impossible for them to have made it as far as they did and is constantly putting them in further danger.
That kid should be so traumatized and trained, by his rather intelligent and survival-smart father, that he basically makes no noise at all, ever, unless needed FOR SURVIVAL.
What this film portrays is the exact opposite.

Perhaps this is another one of those "Only above 100" concepts which people below 100 cannot grasp.

EDIT: I just thought of the prefect example(from a very imperfect film). In War of the Worlds, the daughter is constantly screaming and making noise at the worst times as she is just becoming aware of the threat level.
Once she realizes the threat, with very little help from her father, she is damn near silent the entire film after that unless someone is talking to her.

THAT is a realistic character arch for a child in a horror/thriller film.

What the boy in this film did was so beyond asinine it should be universally admonished, but instead we have people like you trying to defend the undefendable.

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You just need to accept that it's possible for a kid to be like that. Call him simpleminded...sheltered....scared....traumatized.....malnurished.....dehydrated.....exhausted....or all of the above. It's not only possible, but probable that he would be a mess and terrified in the situation on the road.
We don't know their whole backstory. For all we know, that couple kept their child hidden and sheltered from everything going on in the outside world.

If you can accept that possibility, it actually makes the story and the film that much better. If the kid were a little badass, and/or perfectly well-adjusted....THAT would make the film rather dumb. The big tragedy of the story was how helpless the child would be....once the father, who gave everything he had in him, passes away. It was a grim, sad story....and it didn't need a little badass like Rick Grimes' daughter. That would have been rather silly, cliche and cookie-cutter. This was a little different, with no possibility of a happy ending.

If you feel the kid was whiney, clueless and a simpleton.....hey, there are kids out there like that, even in a safe, normal world. And there would surely be kids like that in their reality.

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offtopic:
"not knowing the backstory" was the other thing i hated about this movie
we had no idea what disaster had occurred , and therefore no idea what the solution , if any , was and therefore no idea what the characters goals were.

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I liked that it was deliberately vague. So often we’re spoon fed. That’s what made this one different.

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The backdrop is not what the story is about. It doesn't need to be explained. The story is about the man and the boy. The father and son. The love they have for each other.

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The boy was not out there fighting cannibals every day for ten years. He was at home being protected by his parents. You can tell he's not used to dealing with the things they deal with on the road. He was sheltered.

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This ^^^

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There is no way he could have been sheltered.
Perhaps the book makes sense, but this film does not.
When do you see him being sheltered? As an infant/toddler?
This is a world where being sheltered is impossible.
"He was sheltered" makes no sense unless you can provide evidence of such.

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There is no way he could have been sheltered.
Perhaps the book makes sense, but this film does not.
When do you see him being sheltered? As an infant/toddler?
This is a world where being sheltered is impossible.
"He was sheltered" makes no sense unless you can provide evidence of such.

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You have to see him sheltered in a scene? That's silly. You're supposed to deduce from his behavior. The movie is very true to the book. It's the same story.

Can you prove he wasn't sheltered?....silly question, right?

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Yes, I can prove he wasn't sheltered.

It is heavily implied they set out on foot as soon as he could walk. The boy is 8-12. He is far from new to the world. There is no way he could be sheltered walking around the dystopian post apocalyptic world.

Even if they set out on foot the day before, there was no way to shelter him from reality.

Kids are not retarded. They can perceive danger and threats and scarcity and hopelessness.

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"It is heavily implied they set out on foot as soon as he could walk."

No, they started on the road after the mother took her own life. The kid is about 10 IIRC. The kid had never dealt with any of the stuff they experienced on the road. It was new to him. That's why he's so clueless. This is not Mad Max.

Any how, I'd like to ask you what you think this movie is about? What do you think the point of it is?

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"Kids are not retarded. They can perceive danger and threats and scarcity and hopelessness."

Oh really?
Because I have news for you, there are many, MANY kids who are cognitively challenged, developmentally challenged, traumatized, autistic, etc, etc..... And that's here in the nice, (comparatively) safe world we live in. Consider how children in a wasteland of emptiness, cold, starvation, death, hopelessness, fear, etc...with no friends, no education, no socialization skills.....would develop in a world like that? Do you think a 10 year old in that world would be as cognitively developed, stable, confident.....as one in ours?

You suggest that the world they live in would cause the boy to grow hardened and adaptive, with skills to cope and overcome. Have you ever worked in a shelter for abused, starving and abandoned children? Because I have...and I can assure you, growing up as a child in a soulless, Godless environment with no hope, just fear, starvation and a lack of any sort of education....does NOT breed strong, adjusted kids who can adapt and overcome. Quite the opposite; I've seen some kids who simply sit in a corner, shut down and refuse to even communicate. THAT is the coping mechanism of a child in awful surroundings.

The boy in The Road was developmentally malnourished, knew only his parents as the sole people who would provide for him and protect him...and he had just lost one of them. He now realizes his father is all he has in the world. It's beyond traumatizing. This would be enough, in their situation (no food, shelter, warmth, proper rest, the threat of death everywhere around them) for him to completely regress to (or remain with) the instincts of a toddler.

The actor who played that kid did an astounding job in that role. He is what made the movie poignant and heartbreaking. His realization at the end, as his father was dying, that he was about to be alone in hell....well, if it didn't break your heart, you really just missed the whole point of the movie.



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You are plenty retarded for both.

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I found myself cringing and hating the kid too, feeling sooo much second hand embarrassment.

When I was honest with myself I realized that MOST of what was bothering me had to do with the fact that I'm a guy and was raised with certain male expectations.

I was raised being taught that boys don't cry, so when he would whine or cry I was annoyed because I wanted him to be tough as though he was representing me or boys in general for some reason. He was really sensitive and I was raised believing that this was the way little girls behaved and I wanted him to man the Fuck up.

When he did something stupid or that came off weak I was angry, I had my dad in my head saying, "I'll give you something to cry about!" lol

As far as why he bothered me so much it was because of the gender expectations I grew up with, maybe its the same for you? Just throwing that out there.

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