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This movie shows why preppers...


will only live out their lives a tad bit longer than the rest of us...because, marauding gangs of barbarians and thugs WILL eventually overtake you, slaughter you, rape everything, and then raid your food and water and power sources

in fact THAT is the only way anyone would survive is to be lucky enough to join a gang

i have to laugh at that show preppers, one lady living in utah was on there and she was stockpiling a bunch of stuff and living in an APARTMENT?! yeah, like gangs and murderous thugs wouldn't have that stash in about 5 minutes

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It's a good point. Preppers are wasting their time if nothing happens. Pretty much the same if a dire scenario as in the Road does.

Only reason they are doing something productive is the middle ground where society goes into turmoil but recovers quickly enough where they have enough supplies to wait out the rebound.

Maybe sometime they'll be laughing at people like me, but I figure I'm better off putting my energy making my life better in the world we live in rather than a possible one we might.

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There's a paragraph in David Brin's 1985 novel The Postman that sums up the mentality of preppers quite succinctly:

They passed the day in the brambles and weeds under a tumbledown concrete bunker. Before the Doomwar, it must have been someone's treasured survivalist hideaway, but now it was a ruin - broken, bullet-scarred, and looted.

Once, in prewar days, Gordon had read that there were places in the country riddled with hideouts like this - stockpiled by men whose hobby was thinking about the fall of society, and fantasizing what they would do after it happened. There had been classes, workshops, special-interest magazines... an industry catering to "needs" which went far beyond those of the average woodsman or camper.

Some simply liked to daydream, or enjoyed a relatively harmless passion for rifles. Few were ever followers of Nathan Holn, and most were probably horrified when their fantasies at last came true.

When that time finally arrived, most of the loner "survivalists" died in their bunkers, quite alone. - The Postman p276
I believe there are some preppers (or fundamentalists?) who frown upon nuclear disarmament because nuclear weapons are "necessary" to bring about the apocalyptic circumstances foretold in biblical prophecy.

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I believe there are some preppers (or fundamentalists?) who frown upon nuclear disarmament because nuclear weapons are "necessary" to bring about the apocalyptic circumstances foretold in biblical prophecy.
Great and straight-on quote from The Postman....thanks for that.

I also think that some of them think in the after world they will be much bigger and powerful people than they are in this one....."OK I ain't doing as well as the people I went to high school with, but when the time comes I will be a god cause I have a stocked bunker and a bunch of guns. They'll be begging for an invite."

It's sorta like a self-imposed version of how the church sold the after life in a better world to those living through the horrific Middle Ages.

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Wow, you guys have got some distorted views of the majority of Preppers. I'm not a prepper exactly, but I love the idea of being self-sustaining with the use of modern technology to help.

The good/normal preppers will often form tight communities in more rural areas and they take care of one another while at the same time stocking food like you'd see in a Hobbit's pantry. It's something they enjoy doing while at the same time being prepared for a disaster that may cut their electricity, food or water for a short time or long.

When hurricane Katrina flooded New York, the majority of people were unprepared for the disaster, there was no electricity, so stores were shut down, the ones that were open could only accept physical currency, which a lot of people don't carry much of.

One prepper in a small community was giving his food out to neighbours, running his generator and offering free electricity, for people to charge their phones etc. And was one of few that kept his old style copper telephone line which still worked, while everyone in his area were on fibre optics that were out because there was no power to run them.. He also had silver coins saved and he used them to barter for gas for his generators.

Frankly I would rather be that guy who has prepared, than the one starving when a disaster hits.

It's possible their may be some weird/crazy preppers out their who want a nuclear holocaust, but I don't think that sums up the majority.. And you're just spreading stereotype nonsense if you believe in that crap.

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Think it all depends on your definition of "prepper." A generator, a few weeks of food, a wad of cash....I'd call that preparation. Live in the hurricane belt and I'm good for a couple weeks.

But then there are the people planning for something more than that, which I think is the kinda "prepper" we were talking about....especially in light of the circumstances show in this movie.

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> When hurricane Katrina flooded New York

When did this happen and why didn't anyone tell me?

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New Yorkers think evrything bad happens to their city. But stealing the disaster from New Orleans...tsk, tsk.

OK, it was just a slip of the fingers. I might be harder on the poster if I hadn't done something very like that myself once or twice.

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Basically you're saying "preppers" fantasize about a holocaust. Well I say the same about ghost and alien hunters. They believe in it because they want to. It's a turn on for them and they can probably even imagine encounters with such out of pure desire.

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Bill Burr put it perfectly:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5lOjhD_z6E

"My vagina looks like a huge penis"

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God you three are pathetic defeatist losers just like the father in the movie. Wah, it's too hard why even try.

Newsflash, people survived just fine for thousands of years before iphones and the internet and would again.

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"Newsflash, people survived just fine for thousands of years before iphones and the internet and would again."

Not without animals and plants they wouldn't.

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Good reminder, greg. Human life does really need a few basics, even if we could do without the internet and cell phones.

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with biodome-like recycling tech (just little more than basic aero/hydroponics) and chemosynthesis they would, at least in most scenarios short of complete planet obliteration. In this case scientists and engineers will always have a better shot

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ilykyu,

I'm sure it comforts you to think so. Some other posters here seem to feel the same. And that's part of what it is to be human as well: the notion that nothing can kill us off. In spite of the dismal record of all the other species (except maybe cockroaches). Humans are good at ignoring reality if it conflicts with our survival drives or even our daily living (put down that cigarette!).

But I rather like the story here, which says something has killed us, and it's the way we die that matters at that point.

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I don't know why you think what he said is so far fetched. Humans do have an advantage of being extremely adaptable and intelligent. It's why homo sapiens have survived and outlived other human species and are on top of the food chain and the dominant species of our ecosystem.

Even 65,000 years ago when a Sumatra supervolcano and the ensuing nuclear winter that lasted decades reduced our species down to a bottleneck of 2000 surviving members we still somehow found a way to persevere.

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Not sure what you think is far-fetched, or who "he" is, eYeDEF, but the particular disaster in this film isn't survivable by humans. Once you accept that this is a story about the end of humanity the film makes more sense and you can see the deeper meanings in it.

I don't doubt that any number of events might end, or almost end, human society. But in the realm of the book and film to which this board is concerned, only one event matters: the one the author wrote about. And he was deliberately focused away from the event on to the human consequences of a species-ending disaster.

It's nice, I suppose, to see such optimism about our chances for survival, but those are a bit unrealistic. After all, so far as we know, human survival through the "bottleneck" was not a matter of skill but purely of luck. And history and paleontology show us that for just about all species that we know of, luck eventually runs out. We might be the exception, but Cormac McCarthy doesn't think so, and that's not his chosen subject. He is concerned about how we behave as human beings at the end of our time. IMO a better concern, but then, I sympathize with the Woman here.

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You should use nested posting so you can recognize exactly what it is I'm referring to. I'm not talking about the film. I'm talking about your response to Ilkyu's posting in a more general sense:

Ilkyu said this:

with biodome-like recycling tech (just little more than basic aero/hydroponics) and chemosynthesis they would, at least in most scenarios short of complete planet obliteration. In this case scientists and engineers will always have a better shot


That is the "he" I'm referring to.

Part of what allows us the ability to not just persevere but proliferate is our ability to dream, invent, create. Every novel concept starts out as "unrealistic" until it isn't. A few hundred years ago it would have been "unrealistic" to think we could grow enough food to sustain a population of 6 billion. Genetic engineering has demonstrated otherwise.

But artificial biospheres aren't unrealistic, not at all. They've already been produced and experimented with. Perhaps it's not refined enough to survive now. But given the technological progress of civilization over the last 100 years, in 500 years why wouldn't there be? Why wouldn't better technology develop by that point to better predict the occurrence of upcoming natural disasters like supervolcanoes? Or satellite telescopes that can give us decades if not centuries of fair warning before the arrival of a catastrophic sized asteroid or meteor? That's not unrealistic at all.

Nor do I consider it "purely of luck" that 2000 people spread around the world were capable of surviving. That would be naive. There's always going to be luck involved in surviving a natural catastrophe of that magnitude. But there are reasons aside from luck as to why we survived while millions of others went extinct. Our adaptability as a species and our hominid ancestors before us were honed over millions of years.

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God you three are pathetic defeatist losers just like the father in the movie. Wah, it's too hard why even try.
It's an efficiency judgment. I could buy a Hazmat suit and walk around in it 24/7 to make sure I never catch a fatal airborne disease, but I choose not to do that as well.

And that would probably have a greater chance of saving my life (and be cheaper) than building a bunker and stocking it with every imaginable thing I could think of to survive in a post-apocalyptic world that is almost certain not to come, at least in my lifetime......or even if it did would not make a difference.

But given your strong opinion, what have you done to prepare for such a situation?

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And you have a pathetic fear of death. Life at any cost is the most pathetic mindset an animal can have.

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And you have a pathetic fear of death. Life at any cost is the most pathetic mindset an animal can have.
I think it much more psychological than that in the preppers. Almost like heaven....there will come a world where I am more important, and I am ready for it.

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Life at any cost is the most pathetic mindset an animal can have.


Actually the survival instinct is the most natural and powerful instinct in nature.To say differently is either an outright lie or an indicator of extreme cowardice either of which is an sign of being unfit to survive under extreme circumstances.

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Well, mister, people differ on whether the survival instinct can be overcome for any reason other than cowardice. People commit suicide all the time -- a member of my family did so -- for quite different reasons that had nothing to do with being afraid of living.

One can say -- and people have been saying it ever since the Stoic philosophers -- that a death chosen for many reasons other than fear is not only possible but even desirable in some situations.

The Woman in THE ROAD was not only afraid of the kind of death she and her child might experience; she did not want to live in the kind of world that was all she had to look forward to. That does not mean she was necessarily afraid of that kind of life. She didn't want to live it. She would have preferred that her child not have to live it, either. You could argue that fear lies at the base of all choices, but that would really be reaching. You could also argue that the self-preservation instinct is a matter of fear. After all, the Catholic church uses that kind of argument, and has for many centuries, in its dire warnings of what awaits suicides.

You should not be so absolute about something of which you clearly know nothing.

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A good example for this is also the Twilight Zone episode "The Shelter". You can find it on Youtube, it is a very good episode which deals with this topic (in a way).

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I'll check it out.

Also, thanks for the post Greg.

Unfortunately, that is the case. Preppers would only survive a tad bit longer. Perhaps even die sooner. If your neighbors know you're stockpiling food don't you think eventually they'll break in.

They'll get so desperate you'll have to shoot them down. When they realize you have guns you'll create a mob mentality. A group of people will shoot at you just to get your guns and food then loot you dry.

As Greg's post said. It'll be a lonely death and your place will be ridden with bullet holes.

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"Preppers" could absolutely survive and dominate after an apocalyptic event, but here's the key - they couldn't do it individually, and definitely not without communication. The "lone wolf" mentality is a bunch of *beep* and that's the kind of prepper that the quote from David Brin's novel "The Postman" (which I have actually read, as well as seen the movie many times.) However, a BIG GROUP of people who all "prepared" for a doomsday event TOGETHER would be virtually unstoppable. A large group that formed AFTER the event happened wouldn't be quite as strong because they wouldn't have trained together, but they could nevertheless hold on for a pretty long time if they had loyalty. If there was a network of bunkered-down, armed individuals WITH FUNCTIONING COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS, around the country, and they managed to link up and join together into a group, they would, 1. be extremely smart, and 2. be extremely powerful/dangerous. This would only work if they had a shared ideology and mutual respect.

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I've never seen the film version of The Postman, I heard it wasn't all that good. A big group of preppers might be unstoppable if they're arming themselves against other people, but could they protect themselves from epidemics? It's all very well to have lots of bullets, but could they withstand plague?

In Australia people are prepping for the end of the world too. They stock up on tinned food, but weapons are a bit more tricky, because Australia has much tighter gun laws than the United States. There is a group that predicted a planetary collision in 2013... in April. They base their predictions on interpretations of the Thesaurus. I saw this on TV late last year, when everyone was talking about the Mayan prophecy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYb-KFXiMkA

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The Postman wasn't a good film.

And you're right Greg. There are all sorts of post-apocalyptic scenarios that can play out.

If the scenario was an epidemic then suddenly people, specifically a group of preppers, might find themselves fighting against each other should one of them contract a plague. In that case it might be better to fight alone.

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"Preppers" could absolutely survive and dominate after an apocalyptic event, but here's the key - they couldn't do it individually, and definitely not without communication.
Papa -- that may be true, but wouldn't it depend on what kind of event?

For instance:

Global thermonuclear war (absolute variety)
Meteor strike that wipes out all plant life on earth (perhaps as in this movie)
Supervolcanic explosion that does the same
Supervirus that is 100% lethal to all human life

Just don't see how prepping would help with those.

Where I could is if society dissolves, but rebounds relatively quickly. My problem there though is that I find that a very small possibility amongst the scenarios.

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Yeah, a work of fiction proves a lot.

I can't express the eye roll I am doing at this very moment. Hollywood and other writers want you to think that in an apocalyptic event that everyone would just turn into barbarians and savages and being extremely one dimensional "humans".

And while probably true at first in the major cities during riots and such, the more realistic outcome is that in the countryside people will simply go back to the old pioneer way of living and cooperation with their neighbors. Simply put, in smaller towns you don't kill the person you grew up with, instead you band together and survive.

The only preppers that are absolutely moronic are the ones that live near or in major cities. The best way to "prepare" for any large catastrophe is to be as far away as a large populace as possible. Not alone, but with a small close knit community.

Food and more importantly Water, medical supplies, and lots of guns and ammo.

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The point of this film is that there is going to be no possibility of recovery of the human species. Note the line "All the plants and animals are dead." Note how relatively few folks are in the landscape. Where did they all go? It's been 10 years since the disaster. It keeps getting colder every year. There is no sunlight. Et cetera.

Cormac McCarthy wrote the book, and the filmmakers made the film, to illustrate the possibilities for love and human goodness when all hope for a continuing society is gone. You need to take the point of this story as that, not a story in which people somewhere are recovering civilization.

It's a different kind of apocalyptic story than most we see or read, even those who show the planet as devastated. Like the new Will Smith movie, for example, which is garbage.

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Drumsey, you have incorrect ideas on what prepping is.

The old bomb shelter routine was specifically for the expected nuclear war, and your well stocked hole in the ground was only so that you could survive the initial ruin.

Prepping is preparing, not gathering food and sitting in a hole. Most preppers have plans to do XY and Z should anything happen, gathering supplies and placing cache's just means they have supplies ready if they should ever need to run the *beep* away from where ever they are as soon as they realise it is necessary.

In all situations survival is chance, prepping increases that chance. You or I may not think it is worthwhile, but that does not mean the concept is flawed.

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humans are only growing in numbers and getting close to 7,000,000,000 people on this planet..

the crusades, black death, holocaust, earthquakes, tsunamis, nuclear bombs, etc etc.. nothing's been able to stop us

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Rural property, a few months of food, and plenty of ammo for hunting and property defense, in a true apocalyptic environment, will permit you to survive longer than 90% of the population just to start. What happens after that is a lot of luck and fate.

The show preppers, having never seen it, sounds like some stupid mockery. Just like a lot of TV shows, like Teen Mom or some other garbage.

Real preppers aren't stupid. They might not take over the world. But if things go bad they will live through the initial panic and mayhem, and maybe that is all they care about. They want a chance. Also, if things don't go terribly bad, but just continue the trend, they will have real assets, where as everyone else _______ their money away on stupid things. Preppers buy silver and gold, property, weapons, etc. They will be able to sell these things later on. What are you spending your money on?

As for plants and animals. They will exist still. The "apocalypse" we will see will be caused by hyper-population and economic collapse.

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Preppers will die because they're all isolationists. They think they and their small family can somehow live alone being self-sufficient.
Humans survive by banding together. The plains Indians didn't scatter about and live apart, they lived and traveled together and over time began specializing. There were hunters, gatherers, medicine men, priests, elders, organizers, etc.

Prepping is just a uniquely American fantasy borne from our endless exposure to fantasy films, war stories and American exceptionalism scripts written for only entertainment value, but some view them as a true reflection of American life.

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Humans survive by banding together. The plains Indians didn't scatter about and live apart, they lived and traveled together and over time began specializing. There were hunters, gatherers, medicine men, priests, elders, organizers, etc.

This is very correct



Prepping is just a uniquely American fantasy borne from our endless exposure to fantasy films, war stories and American exceptionalism scripts written for only entertainment value, but some view them as a true reflection of American life.

I really think you step over yourself with this one though..... IF the way you live your life is by prepping, then it is not entertainment, but REAL LIFE.



BTW....I am not a prepper. Just ex military and now criminal social worker(probation officer)

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Hmmm well gotta say I'd rather be one of those 'nutjob preppers' that was able to live fairly comfortably for a while.Rather than be one of the mocking sheeple that will starve/thirst right away,and end up killing family/friends and complete strangers for a morsel of food or drink of water.

The thought of killing gangs of a holes that were too stupid to prepare,so they just figure they will just rape and ravage those that did doesn't really bother me.

In fact I figure they rather have it coming to them,especially if they were warned before.Being overrun and killed by thugs is a very real possibility.But at least I can hopefully take some of them with me.And my conscience will certainly be clearer then the fellas out killing people over a can of food,or drink of bottled water.Self defense is on my side.

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The thought of killing gangs of a holes that were too stupid to prepare,so they just figure they will just rape and ravage those that did doesn't really bother me.

In fact I figure they rather have it coming to them,especially if they were warned before
And when your stocked food sources ran out would you be willing to build a smoke house to get you through the winter to make jerky out of the meat of the less prepared?

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I have no idea.
Here in America we have never faced complete starvation.So yes in reality I cannot say how me or my family/friends would react to total starvation/thirst.Thats why in bothering to prep,hopefully I can maintain at least some semblance of my sanity,morality,and human dignity.If it would come to cannibalism I sincerely wish that I would die from getting shot by thugs etc,before ever having to turn to such methods.

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Even if everyone in the United States was a prepper, it's inevitable that SOMEONE is going to get killed when disaster strikes.

Robert Swindells' book Brother In the Land, describing what happens when nuclear war breaks out, has this perceptive passage.

East and West, the sirens wailed. Emergency procedures began, hampered here and there by understandable panic. Helpful leaflets were distributed and roads sealed off. VIPs went to their bunkers and volunteers stood at their posts. Suddenly, nobody wanted to be an engine-driver anymore, or a model or a rock-star. Everybody wanted to be one thing: a survivor. But it was an overcrowded profession.
In Brother In the Land people with fallout shelters are nick-named "badgers".
One by one, they were found, smoked out and shot for their stuff - for their selfishness too, perhaps, ('You can lob 'em over now, Ivan, I've got a shelter.'), until there were none left.
Cannibals are nick-named "purples". (After that popular song "The Purple People Eater".)

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It is amazing that people are choosing to critique right-wing post-apocalyptic fantasies with... left wing post apocalyptic fantasies.

Really, you can't use fiction to prove anything. We have no real data for such severe circumstances. What we do have data for is low to mid range catastrophes and the evidence is that those who make some preparations tend to do better.

The idea of preppers being isolationist is also something that people are making up in their own heads. Well, OK, I'm sure there are some like that but there are also many who are making preparations in concert with friends, family and neighbors (even some who were on that Doomsday Preppers show). I don't have figures on the ratios but unless others do, they should think twice before holding forth with their opinions.

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I have an issue with the concept of preppers being "selfish". If you choose to prepare for an event like this, and I don't, are you selfish for using your supplies to survive? You put in the effort to acquire the supplies, aren't you entitled to use them for yourself? Similiarly, in the real world, if you choose to go to school to acquire skills that enable you to be gainfully employed, and I choose not to acquire an education, are you selfish for using your earnings to improve your standard of living?






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"I have an issue with the concept of preppers being "selfish"."

It probably depends on how one defines "selfish". In the context of a post-apocalyptic scenario it may equate to "every man for himself" or "dog eat dog".

In the real world selfishness may be defined as an unwillingness to help those less fortunate than ourselves, despite having the ability to do so. In the past that phrase "survival of the fittest" was misused by wealthy industrialists as an argument for why we shouldn't help the needy. Taken to its worst extreme, it would mean a world with no shelters for the homeless, no welfare for the disabled or the unemployed, no medical treatment for the sick.

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Don't even know who said preppers were "selfish." Word I would use is foolish. Maybe for a few months, but after that the chances of surviving if civilization doesn't come back don't make it worse the price of the prepping.

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