right what exactly happened ?
why did his mum die?
what about the fingernails in the tissue what did it mean and who's were they and why were they hid in the piano?
the dead guy in the basement?
good movie very scary but confusing ending ??
someone please enlighten me
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how could it possibly have been a dream ?
i really dont believe that explanation
but thanks anyway
He was joking, ie. pulling your leg.
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Years ago a police officer killed his wife and daughter and then shot himself. Even though many people were aware that the man was abusing his family, they did nothing about it. The bad events that happened to this family imprinted themselves on the area. When the ghosts would present themselves and didn't feel like the person was dealing with what they were seeing, they would cause thier death. They had lived in ther apartment the guy from jail lived in, so the hole in the wall, the fingernails, all of it was from when the man abused them. The little girl used to stand in that spot at the wall and bang her head. The sounds and events replayed in front of the guys mom and drove her crazy. She locked herself in the closet and probably died there. The guy in the alley was taking action, but it was passive and made the ghosts mad. If he had lifted the girl out of the dumpster and tried to help her, he probably would have died. Since the guy that was cutting the vegetable ignored the screams when the event happened, they killed him. At the end, the entire imprinted scene replayed itself and the guy took an active role and intervened which allowed the abuse woman to turn the tables and she ended up killing her husband. This allowed the ghosts to rest in peace. Hope this helps.
shareyeah it really did help thanks, although your explanation explained the movie very well i do feel the asian to english storyline translation needed more work, but over all it was a good movie
shareaqos-1, I guess that by "the guy in the alley" you refer to Hector, the car service owner. And I do not agree that his death was "right", because he didn't have anything to do with the events that caused the ghosts disturbance. And the girl in the dumpster was clearly dead, so no action could actually help her. And I think that the "right" thing for the ghosts was to haunt only the ones who actually let them die, not just everyone living in the apartment block. If it was like that, the housekeeper should hear the sounds too, but I think he didn't. Not to mention the guy's friend who even just visited the block. That thing I don't understand and annoyed me in this movie. Yes, it is true that ghosts don't have to follow "right" motives, but anyway, I just don't like seeing people die just because there should be more than just one dead man in a horror movie.
And I also think that the family didn't live in the apartment the main hero lived, 519 - they were in the next one, 517. The wall was cracked because the officer was hitting his wife in it, after he dragged her in their apartment, but on the other side of it.
Anyway, your post summed the movie quite well, I didn't want to argue. :)
And just to add to you explanation, the fingernails were the wife's - you can see the guy's friend scratch the wall with hers and the break, and because that was a repeat of the actual events, they are hers. Why they were hid in the piano I don't know.
And I also think that the family didn't live in the apartment the main hero lived, 519 - they were in the next one, 517. The wall was cracked because the officer was hitting his wife in it, after he dragged her in their apartment, but on the other side of it.
I think the officer and his wife and kid lived in 517. As the ghost reenacted the scenario on Bobby's exgirlfriend it dragged her into 517. Also the hole in the wall was covered by the piano, and the hole was bigger on the other side. I don't have an explaination for how the nails and blood on the piano though.
Regarding Hectors death. I think the best explaination is that the ghost didn't activly kill him. It scared him to the point that he fell down the stairs, but it didn't push him. Also, we didn't actually see him die. Appearantly he got hurt pretty bad, but the death wasn't confirmed if I'm not mistaken.
So why didn't the housekeeper get haunted? Maybe the curse only affect people who have entered that same floor. Then the explaination is that he never entered that same floor. The housekeeper said had gotten 519's lock replaced. He could have hired some firm to do it for him.
You shouldn't need to speculate like this though. They should've explained some things better.
So why didn't the housekeeper get haunted? Maybe the curse only affect people who have entered that same floor. Then the explaination is that he never entered that same floor. The housekeeper said had gotten 519's lock replaced. He could have hired some firm to do it for him.
The blood on the piano keys belonged to his mother. She was repeating the song that she heard played by the little girl. The mother's ears were bleeding as did everyone else's who heard the high pitched tone.
shareBut the housekeeper did enter the floor. If you recall the scene where the police and detectives are at the apartment of the man who died, the housekeeper is in there when Bobby walks by to see what's happening. These films where the victims come back to haunt innocent people make little sense (well, in this case it would have made more sense if they had just haunted the neighbors who ignored them the night they were killed). Perhaps the dead woman was just desperate to get someone to end the recurring cycle of murder she was trapped in (she eventually turned the tables on her husband thereby ending the 'curse' after Bobby intervened at the end).
I agree, things could have been explained better and the film could have played out in a more logical way, but it's a horror film. And to be honest, I've seen tons of horror films and this one did send chills down my spine. So it did its job
I don't think Bobby, Gina, Hector, or the guy at 512 were special. They just happened to be people to have witnessed the hauntings because they were at the 5th floor or in locations where those ghosts visited in the past. For all we know, the neighbor across the street is being haunted as well, but perhaps since it was outside the ghost locality, the haunting were limited to voices & apparitions. Those at the lower floors may have seen & been haunted as well while others like the new manager may have just missed it. But I do agree about the killing of Hector, it wasn't justified at all. I think the film needed a tighter script w/c is why it had so many loose ends & unexplained plot points.
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I agree with this-- at one point Bobby says to Gina's friend, "She SPOKE to the other girl?" Which made me think that was what set people apart. Anyone that saw or interacted with the ghost, as well as those who could have helped and didn't.
shareI really thought that Bobby's character re-enacts what her mother had witnessed. Therefore, he is seeing through her mom's POV of the actual domestic violence next door. I was just confused on how and when her mother died. Also, I found the ending VERY unsatisfying because I was expecting a bloody conclusion to the mother and child but they never showed it. It's all in the flashback. ~sighs~
shareAt least this ending was better than the one the movie was leading up; i.e. Bobby being blamed for the deaths of his boss (who had just suspended him a few hours earlier) and his ex-girlfriend (who 'let' him go to prison when he stood up for her).
shareA better ending would be if Bobby had stood up to the ghosts the same way he had when last his girlfriend got abused. Bruce Campbell style.
If a bunch of ghosts harass you and the people around you for days/weeks, and you have a chance to face them, stepping outside with your legs trembling and saying "you have to stop" just doesn't seem enough.
Better to deal them all a knuckle sandwich; yes, including the little girl.
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This movie would have been somewhat better if the ghosts hadn't "haunted" the girlfriend and hector. Otherwise it would have sent a powerful message about being a passive bystander and the guilt that comes with it. Now it comes off more as a generic J-Horror. A shame.
shareYeah, better ending. I can picture the cops arriving at the scene...
- "Who's that girl and why is she beaten so bad?"
- "She's my girlfriend and some evil ghost who lives next door beat her"
- "Oh, by the the way, there's a dead man in the basement named Hector, do you know him?"
- "That's my boss, he must have been killed by the evil ghosts of the woman and her daughter"
- "Right, and your name was...?"
- "Bobby Reynolds"
- "Ah, you're the guy who just skipped the meeting with your parole officer!"
I really can't imagine how Bobby could explain the scenario without looking crazy. An ex-con, who skipped parole, next to his beaten girlfriend, his boss lying dead in the laundry floor, and with an history of false calls to 911 (the cops who responded to his call about domestic violence thought he was either drunk or crazy, talking to his imaginary friends).
Yep, the cops would totally believe the story about ghosts.
And I think that the "right" thing for the ghosts was to haunt only the ones who actually let them die, not just everyone living in the apartment block.
If all Bobby had to do was not ignore it like everyone had been doing, why didn't it end when he called 911 the first time when he heard the cop beating his wife?
If someone called the police like he did, and they went in and saw what was happening, the guy would have been arrested and the whole situation where he killed the wife and daughter wouldn't have taken place.
I thought the whole point was that no one called the police even though this abuse has been going on for so long, and the neighbors all knew about it. And then they didn't try and help her the night she was being killed. So why was it not enough that he called the police?
Clearly he was concerned about them, and was the type of neighbor they wish they had when it was happening. That was actually MORE meaningful than standing up to the ghost at the end.
At the end, he knows they're ghosts, they're haunting the place, and they're doing it because none of their neighbors helped them when they needed it. So his reason for standing up to the husband ghost is mainly because he wants the haunting to stop. His motivation is primarily for his own life and his girlfriend's life to stop the haunting.
When he called 911 earlier, he thought they were real tenants living there, and was actually concerned about the well-being of the wife and daughter. He had nothing to gain by doing it (besides not having to listen to all the noise) and called because he didn't want this guy to kill them.
It just doesn't make sense that the ghosts wouldn't be at peace when he first called 911 out of 100% concern for their lives, but when he intervenes later mostly out of concern for his own life to get the ghosts to stop haunting him, they're going to accept his help and finally move on.
And the Hector thing was just complete nonsense. Hector tried to call 911 to report the dead body he found, because he wanted to help. And the ghosts killed him for trying to do so. Why lure him down there, try to get him to help, and then when he tries, you kill him? He had nothing to do with it, he didn't even live there, they didn't do their regular "torture with sounds and hallucinations for an extended period of time to slowly drive him insane" routine either. They just flat out lured him down there for no apparent reason and killed him.
Here's a question - was the cop schizophrenic or otherwise delusional? Why didn't he seem to remember abusing his family?
shareThat's what I wanted to know too.
shareHere's a question - was the cop schizophrenic or otherwise delusional? Why didn't he seem to remember abusing his family?
I think his mum died because she locked herself in the apartment due to hearing the noises next door night after night and presumably consumed by guilt because she (like all the other neighbours) ignored the woman and child's cries that fateful night, she went mad and, as was said in the film, starved to death.
I know right? I'm really confused about why the fingernails were kept in the piano. I know from the ending she must have dragged her fingernails down the wall like the woman had who was being killed, but why she wrapped them up and kept them in the piano holding down a specific key...... I really wanted there to be more to that.
The dead guy in the basement? You mean Hector? They must have just skipped the finding of his body and investigation etc because everything was started to unravel at that point and other things seemed more important to focus on.
It wasn't the ending I found confusing. I wanted there to be more to the hole in the wall and the fingernails in the piano. Apart from that I think it was all wrapped up.
I agree that the people that got killed were the ones that ignored the ghosts plea for help. I also think the the people that got haunted were the ones that saw and acknowledged that they saw and heard the ghosts. That's why Gina and Hector got drawn in. It wasn't about hurting people that deserved to be hurt. It was about finding people that they can attach their tortured spirits too and release the violent energy they experienced after their death.
Once the mother was able to release her anger and energy on her husband, the spirits were at peace and were done. They released the energy, got acknowledged , and someone intervened on their behalf.
I think the fingernails in the piano were there because I think his mother may have been beaten like Gina was only inside her apartment. She may have kept them there as she was driven crazy by the ghosts. I think his mother's ghost was the one playing the piano to lead him there so he'd be warned of what's going on and try to do something about it all.
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