What a bunch of Crybabies.


Saw the documentary yesterday and boy was I annoyed. All of them nearly cried about their situation as if they were the victims of the whole thing.

"I was young, and stupid. And I did it because i was in love, with the wrong guy. It's all his fault."

"I did it to show the truth, that's why you see me *cough* fake *cough* smiling on every picture, with the thumb-up."

"What was i supposed to do? Disobey orders? They would've thrown me into prison, so i helped building that pyramid."

Seriously, i was just disgusted by the whole thing. They were all Hypocrites. Nearly crying about the whole thing, as if they were the victims.

If you have no back-bone, and you don't want to take responsibilities for your actions, why the *beep* did you join the military? You're given a rifle, something that can end lives. The age is also no excuse, so don't start on that. Seriously if you watch them, how they react, some of them are like "I forced them to masturbate, so what?!"

What they did, they did for their amusement, no reason behind the whole thing. It didn't save lives, it didn't help find out information.

To me, it seems the worst thing in the American military is to disobey orders. This just shows you how *beep* the whole chain of command thing is.

In Germany we have rules that protect you from such things. If someone with a higher rank tells you to beat or shoot someone, and you see no reason for it or it is against your moral, you can not only disobey the order, but strip him off his command. Which is something my brother nearly did when his commander shat bricks instead of going out and drag the wounded/killed soldiers inside.

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That was more or less the point of this documentary; that the American system is dramatically flawed...

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See my thread "they were just following orders".

You don't seem to understand what the purpose of the photographs were. The soldiers were ordered to pose with these detainees in scenes that would be deeply humiliating to their cultural values, like suggesting they were gay, TO GET THEM TO STOP STARTING RIOTS AND RAPING 15 YEAR OLD BOYS IN THE COMPOUNDS.

The soldiers were left to be scapegoats by the military who didn't want to offend Arab Muslims by divulging they devised a program around their cultural faults.

"If someone with a higher rank tells you to beat or shoot someone, and you see no reason for it or it is against your moral, you can not only disobey the order, but strip him off his command."

That is for all practical purposes complete and utter bullshyte, especially that strip them of their command part. You've seen too many movies, you enlist in the military and you become the b*tch of everyone with one or more stripes more than you have. Officers, forget it, don't even go there. You can't bring superiors up on any charges, they can level them on you as they see fit. There is policy which deems a soldier need not follow an illegal order, the scenarios this might come into play in are incredibly rare.

Nobody ordered Lynndie England or any of these soldiers to beat or shoot anyone. These detainees were raping younger detainees and throwing rocks at guards, to start riots- something had to be done to stop that.

Every photo which suggests abuse, was taken so we would not have to beat or abuse that detainee. There are other photos which depict detainees who were brought in after resisting, and have injuries. The media wraps it up in one big package called "Abu Graib" and this leaves you mistakenly thinking Lynndie England was beating detainees. That is wrong. Does this make sense now?


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I agree, it made it difficult to watch, because virtually no one took responsibility or showed remorse.

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