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Motivations of the teens, do they make sense?


From what I gather, most people conduct their lives based on what they feel at the time, rather than a set of guiding principles. It seems like a lot of people who watch movies are expecting the characters to react how they themselves would. If this were the case, it would make for very boring cinema, as all characters would essentially be identical in behavior.

People have no idea how they would react either way, because they don't relate with, or in many cases even empathize with, the emotions governing each character's behavior. They assume the scenario is playing out in the movie the same as it is for the outside observer. That simply isn't the case. Real experiences feel different than just watching a movie when you were bored.

Among Ricky's guiding emotions are an unhealthy fixation on Joanne, sympathy for Deadgirl, and a fear of getting arrested. He wants to do the right thing, but won't take personal risk to back up his convictions. If he had, she would most likely have been "rescued" only to be further experimented on in the name of science. An outcome many would accept, who believe ends justify means. However, it brings into question the morality that says it's okay to torment her in the name of science, but not for other personal gain.

It would be an entirely different movie, possibly where some perverted scientists do the unimaginable things, and she breaks out of a laboratory or something. A sci-fi version much less gritty and "real". Who knows, maybe it would've been a smashing success.

Now on to JT. People actually go about this character as if he's supposed to behave normally. He's a pervert and a sociopath. He probably sees all girls as unfeeling zombies, because they don't feel anything TOWARDS HIM, so from his perspective they are unfeeling. This lends culpability to girls like Joanne, the attractive and popular girls who feel shame when associating with "low status" people.

Joanne, while the most sympathetic character, is intended to have flaws. The pursuit of popularity is actually a manifestation of low self-esteem and a need to be validated. Even though she is extremely beautiful, she is insecure because every morning she wakes up and puts her makeup on knowing her whole life is all an act. I think she was interested in JT at first, and wanted to win him over, but then realized the "game" was over because all his cards were on the table, and she won. Women respond to a challenge. He also put her on the spot and sounded approval-seeking when he offered to take her out sometime. This killed any previous attraction. An example of emotion governing behavior.

The jocks, are similar to Joanne in that they are concerned about their self image. However, the pressures of society on men are different to that of women. They are susceptible to challenges on their masculinity, even feeling the need to "prove themselves" to beta males. They were told Deadgirl is just a very freaky girl who likes to be tied up and gang raped. One jock is into it, the other is reluctant but caves to pressure from his friend.

Wheeler is just as susceptible to peer pressure, just not a jock and definitely not one of the smart kids. He just wants to fit in somewhere, anywhere, and JT presented an opportunity.

Though execution of these ideas might have been better, the characters are a demonstration of many ranges of youth psyches. None of them are intended to be "functional" psyches, which honestly would be asking a lot of today's teens to say the least. The point this thread is intended to make, is that these characters have clear motivations and rules for how they behave.

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I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Then for those with ADD, basically I am saying most of their actions were "in character", in contrast with the idea of "guys would never do this".

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Nice analysis, but I still found the movie hard to get through when there was no character I could sympathize with.

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I sympathize with the moral quandaries of every living creature.

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You know, I've noticed that the motivations for raping anyone doesn't make sense.

So until you've figured that out, I don't think you're going to figure out the motivations of the characters either.

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Maybe you lack the ability to consider perspectives. There are a ton of situations where rape make sense, again it's dependent on their motivations and perceived options. Pretty simple. Calling it incomprehensible is useless. Nobody will be prevented from being raped because you called it incomprehensible.

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Whether it makes sense or not, it happens. And it might be much more tempting, if the rape victim was literally dehumanized--i.e. a zombie.

What always kills me is they made three big-budget Hollywood movies about a teenage girl torn between an abstinent vampire and a hunky werewolf, but the idea of teenage boys having a zombie sex slave is "unrealistic". True, this is a dark horror fantasy, not a romantic fantasy. It's not a nice idea that some males regard women as animated sex dolls. It's not something that would actually happen, but it's realistic in a METAPHORIC sense just as much as a teenage girl being in love with a non-threatening, abstinent vampire.

The thing I didn't buy were that these actors were high school students or sexually frustrated. They look more like twentysomethings who get laid every weekend.

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I think I'm going to be sick. rape NEVER makes sense. EVER.

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You must have missed the part where he said "dependent on motivations". Rape, Incest, Murder, Mainipulation, etc. - none of those thing make any sense to me. However, I am not so closed minded that I think my opinions and perceptions are the end all be all of true reality. You seem a little jaded...

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sorry you feel that way about someone you know nothing about and that you read that much into what I said.

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Well, you basically implied that it's never ok to try to understand what leads someone to commit rape. So there is no rhyme or reason to the actions of any rapist. That's a naive way of looking at it. What you wrote explains nothing, and fixes nothing. And if you don't want people reading something false into your words, then you should be more specific. Otherwise, people have the right to infer. You left a lot of room for interpretation.

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I implied no such thing.

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I felt sympathy for Joanne, but let's be real here - she is actually one of the LEAST sympathetic characters if you have any common sense...

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I felt sympathy for Joanne, but let's be real here - she is actually one of the LEAST sympathetic characters if you have any common sense...
I'm gonna be "real," the scope of your intellect must be sparse. Do you not feel the dead should be treated with respect? Would you be okay with a female relatives dead body being chained, beaten mercilessly, raped, sodomized, shot, stabbed and humiliated? Besides the "deadgirl," Ricky was the only other fairly sympathetic character. With your level of loyalty and honor, I sure wouldn't want to be your mother, sister or daughter.

However, I am not so closed minded that I think my opinions and perceptions are the end all be all of true reality. You seem a little jaded...
You so arrogantly said this to crowess_spawn, which exposes you as a hypocrite for then saying this
she is actually one of the LEAST sympathetic characters if you have any common sense...
So if someone disagrees with you, they have no common sense?


Yea, Tho I Walk Thru The Valley Of The Shadow Of Political Correctness...🇺🇸

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Do you not feel the dead should be treated with respect?

Joanne is not the "dead" girl. I put quotations around "dead" because whatever the girl was in the building, "dead" really wouldn't be the best word to use - it just makes a great name for a horror film. Also, to answer your simple question, I believe in respecting human beings. Being as the dead are no longer human beings, i'm not quite sure what you are asking me I should respect.
You so arrogantly said this to crowess_spawn

My sincerest apologies to you both.
which exposes you as a hypocrite for then saying this

No. What does being arrogant have to do with common sense in this particular situation?
So if someone disagrees with you, they have no common sense?

If someone says that Joanne is one of the most sympathetic characters, then yes, they lack overall common sense. How does this one situation apply to my entire existence? Obviously not EVERYTHING people disagree with me about shows their lack of common sense. That's a really odd assumption for you to make here...

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Joanne is not the "dead" girl. I put quotations around "dead" because whatever the girl was in the building, "dead" really wouldn't be the best word to use - it just makes a great name for a horror film. Also, to answer your simple question, I believe in respecting human beings. Being as the dead are no longer human beings, i'm not quite sure what you are asking me I should respect.
Let's establish that this is a zombie movie and Joanne is a deceased human being. So you're saying that a deceased relative of yours, could be treated like Joanne was and that would be okay with you? Deceased human beings are still humans and deserve the same respect as when they were alive. That's why there are laws about disrespecting corpses, etc,. Killing a zombie to protect yourself is different then raping and abusing a reanimated dead girl, who is rendered harmless by being chained down. If they'd have put a bullet in her head and let that be the end of it, I wouldn't have an issue, but to amuse oneself at her expense is disgusting. We can't know what her mind or soul is experiencing in that state. Therefore, she was the only victim in this movie and as a victim she was the most sympathetic.

My other point was that you told crowess_spawn that
I am not so closed minded that I think my opinions and perceptions are the end all be all of true reality. You seem a little jaded...
which I interpret as you saying opinions don't necessarily make it so, then in another breath you say
she is actually one of the LEAST sympathetic characters if you have any common sense...
which I interpret to mean, if someone sees it differently than you do, they lack common sense. Do you see the contradiction?


Yea, Tho I Walk Thru The Valley Of The Shadow Of Political Correctness...🇺🇸

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Deceased human beings are still humans

In what way?
Therefore, she was the only victim in this movie and as a victim she was the most sympathetic.

Where have I implied that the "dead" girl was not to be sympathized with? I originally referred to Joanne.
which I interpret as you saying opinions don't necessarily make it so

Can you read?
which I interpret to mean, if someone sees it differently than you do, they lack common sense. Do you see the contradiction?

No. There is no contradiction, just a misinterpretation on your part.

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In what way?
In the way that all normal humans view their loved ones. When a loved one dies, we want them to be treated with as much respect as when they were alive. I don't see how you declare that a deceased human is no longer human. They're no longer living, but as human beings we still love their Earthly "vessel," right?

Where have I implied that the "dead" girl was not to be sympathized with? I originally referred to Joanne.
You do realize that J.T. named the dead girl "Joann" right? Or at least he suggested it.

Can you read?
Obviously I can, but I'm starting to gather that you're referring to the living Joann where I was referring to the dead one. The dead one was the most sympathetic character, in my opinion and the living one was somewhat sympathetic. Everyone(except Ricky) else in this movie were loathsome people.

If you review your comments though, you do imply that a blanket condemnation of rape is closed-minded.


Yea, Tho I Walk Thru The Valley Of The Shadow Of Political Correctness...🇺🇸

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I don't see how you declare that a deceased human is no longer human.

...because it is simple logic.
You do realize that J.T. named the dead girl "Joann" right? Or at least he suggested it.

No, I do not realize this because it was not suggested.
I'm starting to gather that you're referring to the living Joann where I was referring to the dead one.

The living Joann is the only Joann.
If you review your comments though, you do imply that a blanket condemnation of rape is closed-minded.

No, not even close. You can keep trying if you want to keep wasting your time but that was never implied. If you are looking for a reason to prove that I did imply it - the problem might be personal one.

Take care.

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crowess_spawn said: I think I'm going to be sick. rape NEVER makes sense. EVER.


Then you replied:
You must have missed the part where he said "dependent on motivations". Rape, Incest, Murder, Mainipulation, etc. - none of those thing make any sense to me. However, I am not so closed minded that I think my opinions and perceptions are the end all be all of true reality. You seem a little jaded...
What am I missing? crowess_spawn said "rape never makes sense" and your reply was to say that opinion seems jaded and that it depends on motivation.

My Dad says things, then he refuses to own them. I call him a professional arguer, are you one of those? I don't think I've ever seen him admit he was wrong.


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You are missing everything. Read the part before your chosen highlights where I said it doesn't make sense to me. With that being said, rape obviously makes sense to the people doing the raping - that's why they make the choice to rape. They weighed their options and decided that it makes sensee to THEM. In no way whatsoever am I justifying the action, but to say "rape NEVER makes sense" is generally untrue because it makes a lot of sense to the crazy and sick people who choose to do it. There is no single situation or action in this universe that doesn't make sense to SOMEONE. That is my point. It's a simple philosophical observation and in no way a reflection of my own feelings and beliefs. If I haven't made myself clear, then I fear there is no hope for you and you can't grasp the depth of what I am trying to say. Don't worry, maybe one day you will open your mind and think a little.

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Are you a professional misinterpreter? Maybe you are just misinterpreting your dad on a regular basis, and refuse to reinterpret his meaning because you're "always right" in the first meaning you attribute to what he said, regardless how idiotic it sounds when interpreted your way.

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At the risk of beating a dead horse...

There is a difference between saying, "rape is bad because it never makes sense, and is only done by horrible people" and, "rape is bad because it causes mental and physical suffering to the victim, which isn't outweighed by the pleasure of the rapist"

Although, for people who are actual rapists, the inflicting of suffering is probably part of the pleasure they get from it. I would agree that those are sick-minded people who should probably just be killed outright. However, from their perspective, rape makes perfect sense. I was never saying, "rape is an activity whose morality is determined by opinion", as I believe morality should be judged by the harm it causes, regardless of the "good" outcome.

Example, you think it's terrible to cause injury to a corpse. Meanwhile, you would probably say it's okay to do torturous experiments on dogs for the possibility of curing parkinsons, or some such human ailment. Why is a human corpse more important than a living dog? Only because you people are egotistical Frankenstein jerkwads. But to you, animal experimentation makes perfect sense. Because your motivation is to help your own species, while disregarding others. You would call it horrible to do the same experiments on a human with less self awareness than a dog. Brain damaged or whatever the case may be. I would say you are horrible people, who make no sense, and cause mental and physical suffering that isn't outweighed by the benefit of curing parkinsons. But your motivations are not my motivations, so you will laugh in my face just as a rapist would laugh in yours while raping you.

Hopefully that cleared up what I was implying with my original statement.

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