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Is this all... True?


I recently heard about this movie, and i was very interested. I knew a little about the Nanking massacre, but not details, so i searched it up on google, and clicked on the first link...

And i have to say, it was the worst ten minutes of my life. Seriously, the stuff in here was absolutely just... I can't even think of a bad word to describe it. >_<

I know Wikipedia has a tendency to be false, so I'm asking you guys...

Is the stuff i read true? Not about the massacre itself, because i know that happened. But about the DETAILS of the massacre. :(

I'm REALLY hoping someone says no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Here's the link.

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Yes

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Unfortunately yes it's true. Read the book Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang... quite eye opening.

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Yes. Read that book.
Also, visit the memorial website.
All those ghastly photos don't lie.
It was real. And the Japanese (continuously) get away with it.

"I didn't know they made bastard's as sexy as you!"

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realize that this was the same regime that brainwashed all the japanese citizens to resist to the last man, or all the women would be horribly raped by the terrible americans and brutally tortured, the same regime that utilized kamikaze as a legitimate tactic, the same guys who performed hari kiri at the slightest hint of dishonor.

not that hard to believe

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i swear to god that's all true

Macte nova virtute,puer,sic itur ad astra.

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God i remember in HS my teacher passed out the story of this movie. There was this one line this soldier said about his victim it went something like this, "as i was raping her she was a woman and i respected her but after i was done and just staring her i realized shes just another animal so i shot her, no remorse." It was just heartbreaking, and this makes the Hollocaust look like a walk in the park.

Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance w/ the devil by the pale moonlight?

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I don't think the dead Jews and Russians would agree with you, but basically you're right. I wouldn't recommend Iris Chang though. Read something by one of the Japanese soldiers like Kazuo Sone, if you can grab it somewhere. Here's an outtake:

"To boost the morale and courage of new recruits during the war, we experimented with bayoneting the enemy. That means using POWs or local civilians as live targets. New recruits without any battle experience would learn from this practice. It was unlucky for the people selected as targets, but it was also a painful experience for the new soldier forced to participate in this experience. Facing the prisoners and civilians, every recruit wore a tense and expressionless countenance, staring with trembling lips and bloody eyes at their victims. They held their bayonet-fixed rifles in such a way as if ready to cry for help and flee. Hearing the order to charge, they nervously leaped forward and yell kill---!

But often those charges lacked energy and determination and the yelling was feeble. It was impossible to finish off a victim with this kind of charge. The human targets wailed and howled in extreme pain. Their blood spurted from the open wounds. At this point, the recruits would be frightened by what they had done. The horrifying scene softened the murderous look on their faces. But when the victims continued to scream in pain, the blood gushing from their bodies, the soldiers would stab aimlessly and repeated, hoping to end their lives quickly and escape the ordeal, until their live targets became motionless.

This kind of killing experience was every soldier's test and ordeal. After this they would be fearless in real battle, and would glory in the act of killing. War made people cruel, bestial, and insane. It was an abyss of inhuman crimes."
(http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/courses/theo1/projects/2001_chen/forgotten_holocaust.htm#III%20WHAT%20ARE%20THE%20ATROCITIES?)

Also recommendable are the BBC documentaries "Horror in the East" and "Timewatch: Emperor Hirohito".
Nanking didn't happen by accident, it was the result of a deliberate policy. The Japanese soldiers were literally taught to see the Chinese as sub-humans to be more effective killers and conquerors. What's worrying is that in Japan, unlike Germany, the deniers are in power.

"Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it - and suffer the consequences." (The latter part is often omitted)

When I think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki now, I cannot help but see them more in the light of ending the war and deserved retribution - although again, it hit the weakest and most vulnerable.

P.S. I just discovered this: http://www.users.bigpond.com/battleforaustralia/JapWarCrimes/Cross-section_JapWarCrimes.html
--> Murder and Cannibalism

Unbelieveable?

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http://book.sina.com.cn/excerpt/sz/2007-12-12/1042226007.shtml


Macte nova virtute,puer,sic itur ad astra.

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it's true. definitely true.

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this happened in 1937 which means there are still survivors and survivor's children

not sure whether it happened, go to your local Chinatown and ask around

amazing how we all learned of the holocaust but nothing of the atrocities towards other cultures ...

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The Japanese were very cruel occupiers. Read the book RAPE OF NANKING by Iris Chang, also IN SEARCH OF HISTORY where author-journalist Theodore H. White claimed that in some villages he visited every female from young teens through elderly had been raped by the Japanese invaders, while the men were enslaved as coolie laborers.

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What proof do you have that Wilipedia has a tendency to be false? Can you name me one instance?

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Yeah, like all the other posters said: it is absolutely true. But there are other war crimes they committed that one can't even imagine...Unit 731 comes to mind. They performed all sorts of unimaginable "medical experiements" on innocent, live civilians just so they can develop some form of biological weapon. Here is the link on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

If you can stomach it (and I don't know if you're even old enough to watch it), there's a movie out there called Men Behind the Sun or Hei Tai Yang 731 (translated into English, it means Black Sun 731).
It's banned in quite a few countries. I'm an adult and it took me about 3 days to get through the movoie (and it isn't even that long). That should tell you something about the graphic nature of the film. So if you can find a copy of it, be warned: proceed with extreme caution.

The sad part is: although one might bicker over the credentials from a movie perspective, the events depicted in Men Behind the Sun were pretty much true. I even think they were tame as compared to what really happened.

BTW, I whole-heartely agree with jm_mathias-1. It's not just about the killings (although that in itself is heinous enough). It's the sheer disregard for human life that chills one to the bones.

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