The real Che Guevara

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10 FACTS THAT REICH-WING GUSANOS HATE

(1) Che was named one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century by Time Magazine, and listed as a "Saint and Icon".

(2) Che's famous image entitled: "Guerrillero Heroico" has been declared the most famous and reproduced image in the world.

(3) Che Guevara is prayed to as "Saint Ernesto" in Bolivia and seen as an equal figure to Christ and the Virgin Mary by rural campesinos.

(4) In September of 2007, Che was voted "Argentina's greatest historical and political figure", and they just last month erected a giant statue of him in Rosario.

(5) In Argentina schools are named after Che.

(6) In Cuba, Che is on the 3 dollar Peso, and school children begin every morning reciting "we will be like Che".

(7) Che oversaw the revolutionary tribunals of convicted War criminals from the U.$. Supported Batista dictatorship. These rapists, torturers, and goons ran Batista's dungeons and killed 20,000 people. Che simply reviewed the appeals of those sentenced to death. A decision supported by 93 % of Cubans at the time.

(8) Cuba under Batista was a Mafia ran casino and hooker haven for American tourists, where mostly US companies owned 75 % of the arable land. This is the context that Fidel and Che rose to power in.

(9) Che's radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the United Fruit Co.

(10) Later, U.S. Imperialism would follow this practice up by overthrowing Mossadeq, Allende etc and propping up Brutal dictators like the Shah, Suharto, Marcos, Pinochet, and Saddam Hussien (Just like they did with Batista).



[1]http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara01.html

[2]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1352650.stm

[3]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/23/theobserver.worldnews

[4]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7455196.stm

[5]http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSN1446436420080614?sp=true

[6]http://www.pww.org/article/view/5880/1/234/

[7]http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article20.php?id=640

[8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution

[9]http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_19_35/ai_54176319

[10]http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp _basic_stats.htm

"The Black Book of Communism," published in 1999 by Harvard University Press, notes that early in his career Guevara earned a "reputation for ruthlessness; a child in his guerrilla unit who had stolen a little food was immediately shot without trial." In his will, the book says, "this graduate of the school of terror praised the 'extremely useful hatred that turns men into effective, violent, merciless and cold killing machines."[18]

[18] MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, “Che, Cuba and Christmas”
Wall Street Journal December 22, 2006.

Defenders of Guevara can't even claim that his cruelty brought about equality. Today state policy makes it a crime for the raggedly dressed, malnourished and mostly black Cuban people to visit the beaches, museums and amply stocked stores of their own country, while well-fed tourists in fashionable cruise-wear go where they like. This amounts to de facto apartheid.[18]

[18] MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY, “Che, Cuba and Christmas”
Wall Street Journal December 22, 2006.

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Ernesto "Che" Guevara dreamed of creating the "New Man" at any cost. During the Cuban missile crisis, he was in favor of a nuclear war because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes, regardless of the cost in millions of lives. By adhering to his anti-American feelings and pro-Soviet stance, he achieved a role in history that stands for one failure after another, both in Cuba, as well as in all the other countries where he went to promote and disseminate Castro’s Revolution.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara had all the characteristics of a ruthless dictator and opponent of freedom. He believed that the end justifies the means, and he fanatically adhered to this gospel. This "idealized icon" is the one who, as a modern day Grand Inquisitor, eliminated many of his foes with a single pistol shot to the back of their heads. And he is also the same one who authored these enhancing words printed in the identity booklets of young Cuban soldiers sent to fight in Angola: "Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary." [19]

[19] Sara Lequerica De La Vega, CHE SHOW ONLY GLORIFIES PORTRAIT OF A RUTHLESS KILLER, UCLA Today, October 2004

Mexico City, Oct. 17, 2006 (EFE) - The revolution in Cuba "was not democratic" and neither is it communist now, "but rather a vulgar State capitalism also called 'Fidelismo,'" affirmed the grandson of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Canek Sanchez Guevara.

In a letter and a "self-interview" that is being published today in the Mexican weekly "Proceso," Canek harshly criticized the "messianism" of Fidel Castro and the change of direction he made for the revolution, transforming himself from "the young revolutionary to the elderly tyrant" who "falsified" an ideal.

The eldest grandchild of Che Guevara stated that the repression that exists in the island, with its "perpetual surveillance over individuals" and "the prohibition of associations that might exist at the margin of the State" is nothing but "a vulgar State capitalism" that, according to him, will die with Fidel.

The eldest grandchild of Che Guevara was born in Cuba; he is 30 years old and is now a Mexican citizen. He presently lives in Oaxaca and is a writer and graphic designer. His mother, Hilda Guevara, was the first child of the guerrilla leader

“It was difficult to recall that this man had once been one of the great figures of Latin America. It was not just that he was a great guerrilla leader; he had been a friend of Presidents as well as revolutionaries. His voice had been heard and appreciated in inter-American councils as well as in the jungle. He was a doctor, an amateur economist, once Minister of Industries in revolutionary Cuba, and Castro's right-hand man. He may well go down in history as the greatest continental figure since Bolivar. Legends will be created around his name.”

~ Richard Gott - Guardian journalist, 1967 dispatch on the day of Guevara's death


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“In Bolivia, images of Che hang next to images of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, & Pope John Paul II.”

~ The Observer, September 23, 2007

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I'm pretty sure most of the people wearing the shirts don't actually support the jailing of poets, homosexuals and roqueros (kids who like to rock out). Guevara's own musician grandson fled Cuba after he and his rock'n'roller friends had been terrorized one too many times by the Cuban fuzz for the popular charge of "pre-criminal dangerousness".[20]

[20] Cassandra Wilkinson, “The unpalatable truth about Che Guevara”
The Australian, July 14, 2007.

The digest may also include the fact that Cuban women had three months' maternity leave before the revolution but not after. Cuba had more female university graduates than the US before the revolution but not after. Cubans had the eight-hour day before the revolution but not after. For all those sensibly upset about Australia's lack of compassion for refugees, I would urge them to consider that before Guevara's revolution, Cuba accepted more immigrants per head of population than the US. Indeed, more Americans moved to Cuba than Cubans moved to the US.[20]

[20] Cassandra Wilkinson, “The unpalatable truth about Che Guevara”
The Australian, July 14, 2007.

Those who wear the revolutionary's T-shirt on university campuses should also reflect that one of the key dissident movements in Cuba is the campaign for free libraries. In the upside-down world of Cuba's continuing repression, librarians have become enemies of the state and are being jailed for promoting the counter-revolutionary activity of reading.[20]

[20] Cassandra Wilkinson, “The unpalatable truth about Che Guevara”
The Australian, July 14, 2007.

WHO IS CHE GUEVARA?

Che Guevara is the Great Salesman of Communism. He started his glamorous life by killing people who didn't buy his ideas of universal happiness and equality. Although this selling method worked well in South American and African countries, young Ernesto quickly realized that to conquer the world he had to learn other techniques.

He noticed that in the Land of Big Capital some idealistic college students, as well as pimple faced white middleclass teens had already begun to put his unwashed visage on their T-shirts and dorm room walls. Bingo! Like all communists faced with the prospect of making a few dollars, Che decided to try his hand at the mysterious entity known as "work" and "business investment".

A brilliant salesman, Che performed an ingenious maneuver by faking his own death and thus achieving the Jim Morrison type icon status. As the progressive world mourned and idolized his image, Che quietly started printing his own T-shirts in the humble basement of a Bogota Laundromat.

At first the process involved dunking his head in a bucket of ox blood and physically pressing his face on the T-shirt. After sales began to pick up he was able to apply for a small business loan and purchased a screen printing machine.

Che has marketed his brand name brilliantly over the years, selling to specific niche in the market: young people who have no clue what Che has done or what he stands for. The cash keeps flowing as most college dorms world-wide are being adorned with his face, and more and more middle class sons and daughters wear Che products in order to, among other things, wash away the guilt of their well-heeled upbringing.

"It's just cool to wear my stuff. Who cares what I'm about!" says a confident Guevara from his 36th floor office of his world headquarters on Madison Avenue in New York City. His unique product sells solely on popularity, coolness and young people looking to gain acceptance in social circles. "You can essentially turn out complete junk and people will still wear it because they want to be in," declares John Hayden of Consumer Reports magazine.

CHE's LAST WORDS to his children in a farewell letter = "Above all, always be capable of feeling most deeply any injustice committed against anyone in the world. That is the most beautiful quality in a revolutionary."

If there is a Heaven ... I can't wait to meet Che there.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre ! <3

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"Sales go through the roof as anti-war protests grow in popularity!"

In the near future Che-Mart intends to diversify its global image into several different product lines. There's an Apprentice-style TV show called "The Revolutionary" in the pipeline. The show will pit several left-leaning young people against each other, charging them with such tasks as fermenting revolution in small counties, organizing protests against McDonalds and attacking the police. The winner will receive.????

Today Mr. Guevara commands a huge global business empire with offices in New York, Paris, London and Tokyo. He has been featured in Forbes and Fortune magazines no less than 8 times. With houses in New York, Los Angeles and Aspen, Che has come a long way from his humble revolutionary beginnings. His company has been listed in the Fortune 500 for the last 6 years and Che-Mart has been voted one of the Ten Best Employers in the United States. Recently featured in Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, he is an avid collector of fine art and Ferraris. Che spends his spare time on the slopes of Aspen or socializing with his good friend and business associate Donald Trump. With a fleet of Leer jets he is never too far from corporate boardrooms of the world.

The future is looking bright for Che-Mart as the endless supply of liberal college professors and college students will keep his global empire afloat for the foreseeable future.

Why is it so hard to notice sarcasm these days, or irony for that matter.?

When you buy Che products, you are partaking in a capitalist system that Che did not support. Furthermore, you are helping someone get rich by selling socialism. Now that is ironic. Wearing Che T-shirts is a tacit acknowledgement of capitalism's triumph over socialism.

If you buy a Che shirt what are you endorsing? Capitalism. One of the many things Che was fighting against. By plastering his face on every piece of merchandise imaginable you have completely gone against his socialist beliefs.

Gustavo Villoldo, 71, a Cuban exile who was a major player in Guevara's capture in the Bolivian jungle, plans to auction off a strand of Guevara's hair and other items.

Asked for proof of the hair's authenticity, Villoldo said he had no reason to lie.
"It is what it is, and I let people believe or not, and that's up to them," he said.
He added that DNA evidence could be extracted from the hair and compared with surviving members of the Guevara family.

The Cuban government says it recovered Guevara's remains from Bolivia a decade ago and laid them to rest at a monument in Santa Clara, Cuba.

Villoldo disputes that account, saying the makeshift grave the remains were pulled from held seven bodies while he buried only three.

He buried Guevara -- close to the grave later uncovered by the team of Cuban forensic experts -- because he wanted to deny Havana the chance of turning "Che's" remains into a monument to Cuban President Fidel Castro's 1959 revolution.[21]

[21] Tom Brown, “Man who buried "Che" hopes for killing at auction”, Reuters, September 4, 2007

Che was a sadistic madman living out fantasies under the veil of ideology that was romanticized by the idea and grandeur of violent uprising and revolution and didn't care about humane ethics or values. The communist movement around the world was simply a vehicle for him to carry out his morbid obsessions. He's not the great revolutionary depicted on posters, murals, and t-shirts, but rather a grand failure and pathetic excuse for a human being.

For those who want a "fairer" assessment.



The Eternal Che Guevara
By Mohammad Badrul Ahsan
The Daily Star
October 17, 2008


Last week would have been more appropriate to write about Ernesto Che Guevara since October 9 was his death anniversary. I am late not because I forgot, but because I dithered. How should I remember a man who is larger than life? Death anniversaries only commemorate lives, which are over. But that isn't true for Che Guevara. His life has become more than before after he died.

Another twist of irony. Ernesto Che Guevara should have been laid in state after his death, thousands filing past his body for one last glimpse of the world's most indefatigable revolutionary figure. Instead, the state of his body lying in the laundry room of a hospital in Vallegrande, a Bolivian village, presented him as a trophy in a big game hunt.

The world's greatest revolutionary was lifeless, his body riddled with bullets, hands chopped off as evidence, and eyes left open in a vacuous stare. He was surrounded by people who had come not to mourn but celebrate his death.

Forty-one years after he was captured and killed, Che Guevara's memory endures, grows even stronger. In fact, he is more alive today than dead, more popular than before, more celebrated than ever. It's a negation of the pernicious scheme of his killers. They had hastily buried him in an unmarked grave to deny him any chance of martyrdom. As it happens, after all these years Che is the most adorable martyr in the world.

Jimi Hendrix is credited for saying: "Once you are dead, you are made for life." True to these words, Jimi died at 27, and he is still sorely missed by music lovers. Che lived longer than him, 39 when he died. In his fight for a better world, in his dream of erasing inequality, in his unflinching faith in the power of the peasantry, his life ended in mid-flight, an unfinished business, an aposiopesis. But he is made for life.

Perhaps there is a terrible fascination for life cut short at its prime. Perhaps it lingers like the afterglow of a bright burst. James Dean was a second-rate actor, who turned into an icon of youth after he died in a road accident at the age of 24. Buddy Holly was a gangly kid from the hick part of Texas. He became a music legend since his death in a plane crash at 22. Jim Morrison finished his earthly journey at 27, dead in a bathtub in his Paris apartment.

On the opposite side of the coin, what is the fate of heroes who live their full course of life? Marlon Brando died a bloated recluse, a pale shadow of his illustrious days. Bono was a figure of enormous sex appeal, but looks odd as an aging Irishman. What about Paul McCartney? He isn't in the news unless there is a divorce or court settlement.

What would have happened to Che Guevara? He would have been eighty years old, hairline receding, skin sagging, faltering in his walk, at best sitting in the power of a Latin American country, contemporaneous with Cuba's Fidel Castro, shuffling between life and death, between holding power and looking for succession. May be he would have moderated in his revolutionary zeal. May be he would have given up or made more mistakes.

But death has made him admirable and ageless. The image of the man, captured by photographer Alberto Korda, at a memorial service in Havana, embodies the glamour of a revolutionary at its photogenic best. No other image -- apart from the one of Marilyn Monroe standing at a subway grid -- has been reproduced as many times in history.

Che's famous likeness appears on posters, subway walls and countless consumer articles such as T-shirts, mugs, key chains, wallets and cigarette lighters all over the world, once even on a vodka bottle in Britain.

If alive, his life could have taken a different turn. He was obsessed with the peasantry, convinced that the struggle for socialism in the mainly rural countries of Latin America should be based upon their guerrilla struggles.

According to Daniel Waldron of Socialist Party in Ireland, that was the core weakness of Che's political mistakes. He was unable to see that the working class had the ability to effect social change. Che might have changed his mind, if he were around.

And he might have made more mistakes, as he had in the past. As Cuba's Minister of Economics, his policy made the Cuban peso practically worthless. During his days as Minister of Industries, a previously prosperous Cuba was rationing food, closing factories and losing productive citizens fleeing the country.

He even got appointed the governor of the central bank of Cuba by mistake. Che himself told Rene Burri, a photographer from Magnum Photos, that when asked if there was an economist in the room, he raised his hand because he thought the question was whether there was a communist in the room.

Che had already changed in his last days, increasingly hardened in his battle against imperialism and capitalism, lancing even with the Soviet Union. The asthmatic child from Argentina had become the most renegade revolutionary, despised by both superpowers. Jorge Castañeda, author of Compañero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara, once said to a reporter of the Guardian that Castro was ready to send a rescue team to save Che, but between them US President Johnson and Soviet leader Kosygin had agreed otherwise.

It was the ultimate twist of irony that Che had first come in contact with a revolutionary situation in Bolivia, and it was in the same country that the curtain fell on his revolutionary life. In Vallegrande that irony elevated him to a supernatural position.

The people still regret that Santo (Saint) Ernesto was so brutally murdered in their village. Then they will remind you of the curse. It haunts those who killed the Saint. Six of the politicians and military officers who shared responsibility have already died violent deaths. One by one, they were either murdered or died in accidents, including President Barrientos, the man who had ordered Che's execution. He died in a helicopter crash.

In the last analysis, Che Guevara lived for what he believed. He extolled the virtue of guerilla struggle as a way to deliver the high ideals of liberating humankind from exploitation and oppression. He continues to inspire activists with the idea of self-sacrificing struggle on behalf of the downtrodden, because he died to become its "living" legend. His slogan was “Hasta La Victoria Siempre" (Towards the Eternal Victory). He will remain eternal until that victory is achieved.


http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=58997

The myth of Che Guevara is seductive and lush. It"s the story of an Argentinian rich-boy who was so shocked by poverty he became a Robin Hood fighting alongside the poor, until eventually he was murdered by the CIA. But the reality of Che Guevara is very different. The facts show that he was a totalitarian with a messiah streak, who openly wanted to impose Maoist tyranny on the world. He was so fanatical that at the hottest moment in the Cold War, he even begged the Soviet Union to nuke New York or Washington or Los Angeles and bring about the end of the world.[22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

It is true that Che"s story begins with a motorcycle journey across South America. The young man was repulsed by the gap between the swanky transplanted European culture in which he lived and the starving misery of the indigenous peoples. He could see that this was caused largely by America"s habit of smashing local governments and replacing them with dictators prepared to slobber over US corporations. But he concluded from that journey - gradually, over a few short years - that there was only one solution: the imposition of authoritarian communism, by force, everywhere. He chose not to see that this system, wherever it is tried, makes people even poorer still, invariably spreading famine, starvation, and terror.[22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

He bragged that there was "not a single discrepancy" between Mao"s world view and his own. As Che was happily fawning over Mao in the flesh in Beijing, in the surrounding countryside there was an epidemic of mothers cutting off the flesh from their inner thighs to feed it to their starving children. The programme that caused this biting hunger - the mass collectivisation of the farms - represented "true socialist morality", Che said. The dictator killed 70 million people in the end, cheered on by his guerrilla friend at every stage.[22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

Another day ... another worthless copy and pasted drivel quote from Victorin.

Go outside and get some fresh air.


Oh yeah

and find some new right-wing wingbat sites to copy. These same 5 are getting old.

His diaries show that he was constantly appalled to discover that almost everyone around him, including the revolutionaries fighting by his side, did not share his Maoist vision for the future. His first wife, Hilda Gadea, was a social democrat. She wanted to depose the US-backed tyrants - and then replace them with moderate, Swedish-style mixed economies. Che ridiculed and pilloried her as "bourgeois", before abandoning both her and their child. The ordinary Cubans he fought alongside on the Sierra Maestre also wanted to create a democracy with a mixed economy. Disgusted, Che noted in his diary: "I discovered the evident anti-communist inclinations of most of them." [22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

When Che and Fidel Castro's guerrilla army seized power in Cuba, he was immediately - and to his delight - put in charge of the firing squads. He instituted a system of "trials" that lasted just a few hours, with himself as sole judge. They invariably ended with the low-level functionaries of the Batista regime being lined up and shot. Che"s public declarations from that time are blunt. "All right, it is dictatorship," he shouted at one point. "It"s criminal to think of the needs of the individual." He even banned Santa Claus, saying he was an "American imperialist import."[22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

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Che"s fanaticism reached its peak in October 1963, when he seriously advocated a course of action that would immediately end life on earth. Che had implored the Soviet Union to place nuclear missiles on Cuba. He knew the US would interpret this as an act of aggression and probably retaliate with nuclear weapons - but he said that "the people [of Cuba] you see today tell you that even if they should disappear from the face if the earth because an atomic war is unleashed in their names... they will feel completely happy and fulfilled" knowing the revolution had inspired people for a while. Che did not say how he knew the Cuban people would be delighted to die of radiation sickness, their hair burning on their heads and their skin slopping from their faces.[22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

Che urged Khrushchev to launch a nuclear strike, now, against US cities. For the rest of his life, he declared that if his finger had been on the button, he would have pushed it. When Khrushchev backed down and literally saved the world, Che was furious at the "betrayal". If Che"s recommendations had been followed, you would not be reading this newspaper now. [22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

None of these facts are seriously disputed by historians; they are simply skidded over by Che"s defenders, who stick to romantic generalities about how he stood for "honesty" and "revolution". But Che Guevara is not a free-floating icon of rebellion. He was an actual person who supported an actual system of tyranny, one that murdered millions more actual people.

If the small lingering band of communo-nostalgists who still revere Che were honest about continuing his life"s work, they would have to form a group called "Left-Wingers for Creating a Universal North Korea, Prior to Universal Death in a Nuclear Winter." I don"t think they would find many recruits. [22]

[22] Johann Hari, 06 October 2007, Independent UK

True as this may be, it just doesn't make cold blooded murder look any better.

"Everybody did it" is not really an excuse; otherwise one could justify anything, from genocide to serial sexual homicide to child molestation. "Everyone else does it" does not make it right, or acceptable.

In his research, author Humberto Fontova reveals that Guevara personally shot more than two dozen people, including some defenseless boys.

Humberto Fontova

A simple trick ...

If you want to know the degree of someone's heroism ... gage the degree to which the right-wing hates them.

The more the right-wing hates them ... the more heroic they must be.

The right-wing REALLY hates Che Guevara (more than almost anyone) despite the fact that Che didn't kill 1% the amount of people as their hero Reagan's Contra Death squads did.

Hence Che just might be the greatest Hero to mankind.


Can you think of someone that the right-wing hates more ???

Neither can I.

Che vs. Reagan: who's the true revolutionary?

The shadowy figure who adorns T-shirts, posters and wristbands, symbolizing revolution throughout the world, is definitely not Ronald Reagan.

The former president was a greater revolutionary than Che Guevara, a key player in the Cuban revolution led by Fidel Castro, ever was.

It all boils down to freedom works. Ronald Reagan believed in maximizing people's freedom, and Che Guevara believed quite the opposite. I believe a lot of people wearing the Che shirt wouldn't sign up to live in the society Che dreamed of.

victorin1 is a Class-A troll :D

never seen anything like you

keep it up

cheers

Victorin1 I found your comments quite interesting I didnt really know much about Che until I came to this board. Thanks for the history lesson

Dear jasonpittman, the purpose of this thread is to inform about the real Che Guevara, the other side of his personality that most people don’t know. Based on Che's own testimonials, his writings, speeches and his deeds, we now know exactly how deceived so many of our contemporaries are about him. I am glad that this thread has helped you to know Che's true legacy which is one of terror and murder. I appreciate your comment, thank you.

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Until Andy Garcia made The Lost City, not one film has depicted the mass killings of the Castro regime, let alone Hollywood darling Che Guevara coldly executing unarmed prisoners. Do you think we'll see Che's mass executions at La Cabana dramatized by a major studio anytime soon?

Che certainly had more courage than those from Batista’s corrupt and sadistic regime; which after killing 20,000 Cubans left after sacking its national bank and casinos.

Batista left Cuba January 1, 1959 with $300 million dollars to avoid justice for crimes against humanity and to live a life of splendor in Spain, while Che left Cuba a few years later with his dignity and courage to live a life of sacrifice upon sacrifice, for the sake of the unjustly plundered and disenfranchised in Latin America, by those filled with selfish and insatiable greed.

Che’s passion for mankind was churned by his compassion for the horrific state of millions of poor people throughout that continent which have not been afforded the respect and dignity that all God’s creatures deserve.

Some (like Victorin) hate him simply because they just want Cuba back as their personal plantation; to rule and do as they once did without regard for the poor, the nation’s sovereignty, cultural idiosyncrasies, its legacy for future generations, and other legitimate national interests.

Cuba will live on, as will Che !

Why does everyone spell Gandhi wrong? And why are there still so many stupid people in the world who still glorify people like Che? There are better people to idolize. Believe it or not.

"Executions? We execute! And we will continue executing as long as it is necessary." - Ernesto "Che" Guevara

"I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill." - Mahatma Gandhi

Until Andy Garcia made The Lost City, not one film has depicted the mass killings of the Castro regime, let alone Hollywood darling Che Guevara coldly executing unarmed prisoners. Do you think we'll see Che's mass executions at La Cabana dramatized by a major studio anytime soon?

Some people have spent much time on this thread rationalizing, justifying and excusing the mass executions carried out by their hero Che Guevara, whether it was calling into question the established fact that he personally shot people as a guerrilla fighter and at La Cabaña or demonizing his victims as nothing more than spies, deserters and basically criminals who deserved it.

It goes to show that Che is not the martyr that leftists and brainless kids who wear his shirts believe he is, as his hands are stained with the blood of hundreds of summarily executed victims.

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The exact number of Che's Cuban victims has not been independently verified. The number of deaths attributed to Che varies and includes executions he committed personally as well as death warrants he ordered and/or issued. In his book 'Yo Soy El Che!' journalist Luis Ortega, who knew Che, reports that he sent 1,897 men to the firing squad. Daniel James, in turn, writes in 'Che Guevara: A Biography' that Che acknowledged ordering 'several thousand' executions in the first few years of the Castro regime. Dr. Lago has documented over 4,000 deaths in Cuba, mostly firing squad executions, during the first three years after Fidel Castro's takeover (1959-1962), a period during which Che Guevara is known to have been one of the Castro government's chief executioners.

In addition, combat deaths or killings perpetrated in other countries where Che led guerrilla operations – such as Bolivia and Congo – have not been tallied.
"Che was a Marxist soldier who aided the Cuban revolution," says Darrow. "He advocated the philosophy of communism, which is responsible for over 100 million murders, and he personally supervised the executions of scores of people himself."

Thanks to J. Edgar Hoover's FBI the "walking of the walk" that Castro and Che had planned for those "hyenas" was uncovered in November of 1962. On Nov. 17 1962, J Edgar Hoovers' FBI cracked a terrorist plot (though the term "terrorist" was not used at the time) by Cuban agents that targeted Macy's Gimbel's, Bloomindales and Manhattan's Grand Central Terminal with a dozen incendiary devices and 500 kilos of TNT. The holocaust was set to go off the following week, the day after Thanksgiving. Che Guevara was the head of Cuba's "Foreign Liberation Department" at the time.

A little perspective: for their March 2004 Madrid subway blasts, all 10 of them, that killed and maimed almost 2000 people, al-Qaida used a grand total of 100 kilos of TNT. Castro and Che's agents planned to set off five times that explosive power in the three biggest department stores on earth, all packed to suffocation and pulsing with holiday cheer on the year's biggest shopping day. [23]

23] Humberto Fontova, Che Guevara Planned Attacks Against the U.S.
NewsMax.com, November 21, 2007

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Castro and Che planned their Manhattan holocaust short weeks after Nikita Khrushchev foiled their plans for an even bigger one. "Say hello to my little friends!" they dreamt of yelling at the Yankee hyenas in October of 1962, right before the mushroom clouds. But for the prudence of the Butcher of Budapest (Nikita Khrushchev) they might have pulled it off. "If the missiles had remained," Che Guevara confided to The London Daily Worker in November 1962 regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis, "We would have used them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York City." [23]

[23] Humberto Fontova, Che Guevara Planned Attacks Against the U.S.
NewsMax.com, November 21, 2007

This Cuban bomb plot was far from "irrational." Castro and Che weren't suicide bombers by any means. In blasting Manhattan and incinerating thousands of New Yorkers they sought to heat things up again, to rekindle all those thrills he'd experienced the previous weeks during the Missile Crisis.

Given the temper of the times, he knew his Soviet sugar daddies would be implicated too. Then the U.S. might retaliate. Then Castro and Che would have exactly what he'd dreamed about and tried to provoke a few weeks earlier: an intercontinental nuclear exchange.

Millions dead in the U.S. Millions dead in The Soviet Union. And almost certainly, millions dead in his own Cuba. But Castro and Che themselves would be nowhere near harms way. [23]

[23] Humberto Fontova, Che Guevara Planned Attacks Against the U.S.
NewsMax.com, November 21, 2007

Soviet ambassador to Cuba during the Missile Crisis, Alexander Allusive, reports a fascinating — if unsurprising — datum about those days. While Castro was begging, threatening, even trying to trick Khrushchev into launching a nuclear strike against the U.S., while he was ranting and yelling and waving his arms about grabbing his Czech machine gun and "fighting the Yankee invaders to the last man!" while frantically involved in all this, a "fearful" (Allusive's term) Castro and Che were also making reservations with Allusive for a first-class seats in the Soviet embassy's bomb shelter. [23]

[23] Humberto Fontova, Che Guevara Planned Attacks Against the U.S.
NewsMax.com, November 21, 2007

As the world's leftists keep celebrating the 40th anniversary of Ernesto "Che" Guevara's death and keep selling him as the ultimate champion of a people's revolution, I keep thinking about my friend Carlos Barberia.

When you talk to Barberia, you see the other side of Guevara, who has become a romanticized icon.

After all, when the guerrillas came down from the mountains, ironically, they stayed at the Hilton. For the first few months of 1959, Castro and his top men occupied three floors of the prestigious Havana hotel. And when the guerrillas and the musicians got hungry in the middle of the night, they all gathered at the hotel kitchen looking for leftovers.

That's where Barberia met Castro and Guevara. They hit it off right away. Barberia was an admirer of the rebels, and the rebels found him entertaining.

"We became very friendly, and we would talk about all kinds of things," Barberia said.

During those first few months of 1959, Castro had put Guevara in charge of the firing squads that executed hundreds of Batista government officials and other Cubans considered potential enemies. Guevara served as prosecutor, judge and jury. And at one point, Barberia felt it was getting out of hand.

"I simply suggested to Fidel that they should consider stopping the firing squads, and El Che was listening," Barberia said. "I told them they were killing too many people."

A few hours later, at the crack of dawn, a group of Guevara's men went knocking on Barberia's door in Havana. He was told that Guevara wanted to see him at La Cabana, the old Spanish fortress that had been turned from a tourist attraction to a prison, complete with firing squads.

Barberia said Guevara greeted him at the officers' club, a beautiful dining room that had a glass wall overlooking the castle's courtyard. He said he knew the room well because his Kubavana Orchestra had performed there many times back when La Cabana was still a place for tourists. But in the first few months of Castro's rule, that courtyard had become the stage for Guevara's bloody firing squads.

Barberia said Guevara invited him to breakfast, ordered two rare steaks and told him to sit facing the courtyard. Barberia had been invited to watch the executions.

"They brought four guys out, but when they shot the first one, I got up and I walked away," Barberia said.

Barberia felt that his rejection of Guevara's methods made him a marked man. In December 1959, upon learning that Guevara's men were investigating him, Barberia went into hiding in Havana and then out of Cuba. When Guevara's men went looking for him, Barberia said, "They took my father and had him shot." [24]

[24] Miguel Perez, A Cuban Movie Proposal, www.creators.com, November 6, 2007

Barberia, now 72, has made strides in the United States, both as a bandleader and as an advertising salesman for New York Spanish-language radio stations. But when he is confronted with images of Guevara, Barberia is visibly affected. His face turns red. His eyes shed tears. When he sees young Americans who don't know Guevara's true history blindly following a murderer who has been turned into a pop-culture icon, Barberia makes a visible effort to restrain himself.

Not long ago, when Barberia waited for a bus on Bergenline Avenue, he spotted a Guevara T-shirt on a rack at a sidewalk sale. And he couldn't take it. They had brought the T-shirt out too close to the comfort zone. He grabbed the T-shirt, took it inside the store and paid for it. And then he took it back outside and set it on fire.

When police arrived, Barberia said he was honest in explaining his outburst. "Che Guevara killed my father," he told the officers. "He had my father shot by a firing squad in Cuba." [24]

[24] Miguel Perez, A Cuban Movie Proposal, www.creators.com, November 6, 2007

I am not Christ

The Che Guevara, that some try to present as righteous and of deep Christian spirit, wrote a letter to his mother, July 15, 1956 from a Mexican prison: "I am not Christ or a philanthropist, old lady, I'm all the contrary of Christ.... I fight for the things I believe in, with all the weapons at my disposal and I try to leave the other man dead so I don't get nailed to a cross or any other place..." [1]

[1] Jon Lee Anderson, Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life (New York: Grove Press, 1997

V1,
Get over it. You tirades are old. We get it. You dont like che. You think he was evil incarnate. Yet Millions will admire him for years to come and there is nothing you can do about it.

saludos companero

siquisiri

Victorin and Bert-11, great stuff! Very clever, very funny. It's well after the fact of your posting this, but I'm one who appreciates sarcasm (while agreeing that few in the US are able to comprehend it).

Che wouldn't be emblazoned on T-shirts if he weren't so damn fine looking. Seriously. He captures hearts with his handsome revolutionary visage. Those who wear the shirts and cover their walls with posters don't have a clue about what he did or didn't do, and couldn't care less anyway. He has a mystery about him, hints of danger and "fighting the good fight".

As someone said, appearing to be "cool" is all important. A student wearing one of the shirts said to me: "I wonder if he knows how popular he is?" I said: "It's highly unlikely; he's been dead for over 40 years!" That tells you something, doesn't it? :D

>>Che performed an ingenious maneuver by faking his own death<<


He did a lot of things,but faking his death wasn't one of them. I used to know a couple of people who were there when he was captured and executed.

and find some new right-wing wingbat sites to copy. These same 5 are getting old.