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do you want to win the war on terror?


The Senator believes that the question, “Do you want to win the war on terror?” is the ultimate “yes or no” question of our time. Do you agree? Are things that black and white? Why/why not?

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Quote: "The Senator believes that the question, “Do you want to win the war on terror?” is the ultimate “yes or no” question of our time. Do you agree? Are things that black and white? Why/why not? "

Actually, yes.
Standing up to the terrorists was a fine way to start. They needed to be reminded that they were not fighting sleeping sheep.
As to black and white, well, what do you think? Do you think it's necessary to just ignore while some maniac blows him/herself up, taking innocent bystanders with them? Or do we fortify ourselves against such attacks? Do we just stand by when some lowlife hides behind his own women and children, believing he will be safe?
Yes. I think we win the war on terror; we are in a campaign to "win their hearts and minds", but we have reminded the fanatics that they will have a hard battle if they resort to firepower.

Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.

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Yes.

Though I wouldn't consider these people 'terrorists' in the traditional sense. There is no real political motivation in their actions. A true terrorist is someone who captures and holds some wealthy or influential person hostage to acheive a political or ideological end. i.e. - hijacking a plane to demand the release of imprisoned leaders. Blowing yourself up in a market full of innocent civilians on the off chance that you might kill a soldier or police officer is not true terrorism. That's called cowardice. They are trying to 'fight' a losing war against a technologically and tactically superior force. There is no real political reason for thier actions.

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Very well said.


Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.

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Do you want to win the war on crabboy? Yes or no? There's no sitting on the fence on this one jack, the crabboy is out there. This takes precedence over terrorism,drugs, and the economy. So what I need to know from you is, do you want to win the war on crab boy? Ugly times means ugly methods jack, there won't be a clean getaway on this one. But I'm sure you know that already. Would you carbomb a suspected employer of crab-boy? would you airstrike a church on the slightest whim that the crab might be taking precedence in there. This is where the fuel hits the fire jack, if you say no, you become my enemy. I'm sorry jack but thats the way it is. I will not have my children growing up wondering what that clip-clap in the corner is. I will not have them listening to his claw opening and closing on our personal freedom. They will eat beef and burgers, not *beep* plankton! Now, one last time, do you want to win the war on crab-boy?

King of the Crustacean nation

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precisely!

even if it's a "yes", the question still follows: HOW?

if one reduces a complex issue involving geopolitics, military strategy, historical conflicts, economics, ideology, etc etc... to an overly simple "yes or no", it's basically forcing a quick answer for the sake of argument - no real solution is brought forth.

if it's a "yes", are you willing to do whatever it takes to win this war? that was the doubt on Roth's mind all along... and Irving's immediate affirmative answer must have chilled her to the bone.

is the war on terror merely a battle of "who dares to die in the most horrifying ways for no certain reasons"?

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Thank Christ almighty someone finally had the guts to bring up crabboy. I am sick of my gubment spending my tax duckies on so-called human so-called interest boondoggles. I want to see crabboy turning slowly on a spit. Thats WJWD, I really do believe that, amen, praise him.

Crabboy is the anti-anti-antichrist. (YOU do the math, jellyteeth. It means BAD, thats what it means.)

I'd drop a pyramid on my own gran-gran if I thought for a second that she might really be crabboy in disguise.

Thats patriotism there, fingerlips, and if you disagree then you are incorrect by default. You want proof? A) I am right; B) you disagree; Therefore X) You are incorrect by default.

Go buy a flag! Somebody who would probably hate you died for that flag you ingrate! Not the specific one you buy, it was probably made by Chinese terrorists, but its what it represents, jinglenuts!

Over and out!

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the crabboy threat is real and i'm not sure why the press is ignoring it as much as they do...

i think Nightline had a 5 minute segment on crabboy last year... and i heard Charlie Rose refernece crabboy on a couple of occassions... but the media is essentially silent on this one

every hilljack in west virginia can set their sofa on fire in the middle of the street if they want, but Ricky and Julian aren't just gonna sit by while the crabboy threat is out there

it's not enough that this bugsnot is in the pockets of half of washington, but the resistance to a CFB playoff is the real kicker

i really hope we can stop it before it's to late and america joins the likes of thr greeks, romans, and hittites

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Can you think of any scenario, where you would ACTUALLY strap a dozen sticks of dynamite to your body and blow yourself up into tiny little pieces ?. I don't believe ANY American has the balls to do it today. Not even Timothy McVeigh, the all gung-ho super-patriot. He lit the fuse and ran with his precious patriot tail between his legs.

No Ranger, no G.I. -friggin- Joe, no Green Berets. They may love to go out and kill, but they are not about to willingly sacrifice their lives. No way, Jose!

But those guys over there, whose lands we have illegally occupied and whose resources we want to take home, cheap, even though they may not have a pot to pi** in, THEY surely have the balls and are doing it.

So who's the coward ?, who is the rascal ?, who is the thief ?, who is the liar ?, who is the criminal ?, who's the murderer ?. We are. Not them. 1.5 million Iraqis dead and counting.

Those folks are only doing, what you'd expect from any true patriot, who has been pushed against the wall. Trying his best to fight back the intruders. You can call them crazy (considering the odds), but they are certainly no cowards.

It's US presence and our blind subservience to the Zionists' cause that has pulled us into the fiery pit. We got plenty of warning from these guys, but we CHOSE to ignore them and now we have no one to blame but ourselves.

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it is scary and obvious that is true.

In the UK here no politician will ever speak live in a debate over this. The last time was Tony Blair 10 days before going to war with Iraq.

I small group of women showed him up, of he made sure that in future no one will be allowed on camera to discuss the war crimes.

That was many many years ago.

I saw Baraka Obama's video campaign this morning, saying that he ended the war with Iraq. There are still many thousand of soliders there, in many military bases, with thousand more private business contractors working through American "interests" in the region.

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why would we use those tactics? it's ineffective and we have superior firepower allowing us to live to fight another day. ignore the fact that killing hundreds of civilians to kill 1 or 2 enemies(typical low priority targets) is far less acceptable than us compared to terrorists, lack of balls have nothing to do with it, that's common sense.

i'm against the invasion but it's done already, i'm definately not going to feel sorry for terrorists willing to blow their own people up. they're not simply collateral damage, they are completely disregarded in the strategy of terrorist forces and they're definately not willing.

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You can have a war only against a sovereign that has the capability of capitulation. There is no war against terrorism, drugs, poverty, etc. None has a sovereign that can surrender. The question is rhetorical, and no one should be coerced into a simplistic answer.

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Ghigau has one of the main points depicted in this movie. It wasn't about whether or not Irving's "plan" was right or wrong... but rather how this plan would earn him a future presidency. How, whether right or wrong, he would manipulate the media into feeding it to Americans as the only way to insure a win and we would buy it (look at all the relatively intelligent people that buy the garbage on FOX "News"). His goal isn't ending the "war on terror"... but rather to future his own political ambitions. The student was sharp enough to know "the score" but lacked enough outrage or conviction to take a meaningful stand. The professor was trying to make the student understand that acquiesce and capitulation is the real tragedy.

An incredible movie. However, since it asked us to think instead of being titillated by T&A, gun fights and car chases, it didn't do very well. Not only a shame but a frightening insight to us all.

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So the movie was pretty one-sided then, huh?

The ones for the war were represented by those who were trying to futher themselves polically or were ignorant of the truth and those agaisnt the war where the true thinkers.

I guess if I was against the war, this ego stroking movie would be rather pleasant to watch

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Blowing yourself up in a market full of innocent civilians on the off chance that you might kill a soldier or police officer is not true terrorism.

I think the relatives of those dead innocent civilians would disagree with you, as would I.

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What terrorists, nobody blew up the twin towers but the american government. Tell me what was the motive for the alleged terrorist attacks? Do you have an answer to that?

Isn't it clear by now that the way the american economy sustains it self is exclusively through war. Redford was wright with his analogy - America is THE modern day version of Rome.

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OOOOoooooo-K.
Motive? How about a bunch of backwards, sun-stroked religious maniacs who are pissed at the rest of the world because they have not made the transition to the 21st Century.

Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.

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It is a stupid question, only believed to be of value by idiots and people trying to manipulate the idiots. "Terror" is a CONCEPT - not a specific enemy you can target.

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Lets nuke the site from orbit - its the only way to be sure.

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Some thoughts it might be worth considering:

"The War on Terror" - It seems to me it would make even more sense to call it the "War on Bad People". That would simplify it for the people, especially for voters. To simplify it even more, you could require everybody to wear a button or other ID that clearly identifies them as to whether they are good people or bad people. At that point, you could design high tech cameras that would be able to identify good people from bad people, put those cameras on drones, and in just a short time, we'd be rid of all the bad people, no?

But of course, it could be said Hitler had a good idea because he thought Jews were the cause of most of the evil in the world. (Not to mention others.) But maybe he didn't think far enough, because, when it comes right down to it, it's very simple: to solve all the problems in the world, all you have to do is get rid of the people. Or not.

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You can't "win" a war on terror by bombing countries because terror isn't confined to countries.


Standing up to the terrorists was a fine way to start.


When did "we" stand up exactly?
"We" gave them exactly what they wanted. Fear, paranoia, loss of freedom in the name of security.

We didn't stand up to anything.
We gave them exactly what they wanted; fear.

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I like everyone else wanted to win this "war" whatever that means anymore. Going after Osama Bin Laden was what I wanted, and if we killed the same Al-Queda cowards that attacked us on our own soil along the way, then so be it. But then the whole thing turned into a circus when we went into Iraq and even sent troops to Africa. We should have focused our resources on accomplishing the goal we had originally set. I think that at some point we are just playing into the hands of the terrorists when we send our troops over there and more of them have been killed than died in the towers and pentagon on 9/11. They (the terrorists) are getting what they wanted, the death of more Americans. And yes, they hide behind innocents like the Vietnamese and Somalis did because they don't care about those people and see it as a joke when we kill civilians accidentally instead the intended target. There comes a point when you have to be adult about this and realize that putting another tally in the win column for the U.S. isn't simply about just keeping troops over there to win a war. Our U.N. sanctioned time runs up at the end of this year, and we'll have to give the country back over to the Iraqis. So a simple yes/no scenario to the original question just isn't possible.

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one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. i think that the american government and indeed my own british government love terrorism cause it gives them an excuse to invade middle eastern countries and steal oil. after 9/11 there were more police in manhattan than there were troops in afghanistan. bush himself said that they didn't look too hard for bin laden. how many of our troops and how many iraqi civillians have died in this war, all those lives just to hang some beardy dictator who could have easily been assasinated by a us sniper at any time. we already know that north korea have nuclear weapons and kim jong-il has had far more people murdered than saddam hussein ever did. but as far as i know there is no oil under korea so it would be a waste of money to "fight for freedom" over there. if i were a more decent person i'd probably join amnesty or the peace corps. but i love my dvd player and and my ps3 too much, so i'll drink myself to blissful ignorance and hope that hell isn't too hard on me. after all, i've never even met an iraqi let alone shot one without wondering why.

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so i'll drink myself to blissful ignorance


No need to drink, your'e already there

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@ badmother

one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
america loves terrorism cause it gives them an excuse to invade countries
i love my multi region dvd player :)

obama is no better than bush imo

look what he did to the zimmerman trial
''if i had a son he'd look like trayvon''

and if any white person had said trayvon looked like obama
there would be uproar wouldn't there
oh they all look the same !!!
is that right ?

obama can stir hatred but the rest of us can't

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I don't think this is a simple "yes or no" question. Before answering to it you would have to define "terror" in the first place and then ask yourself who is terrorizing who. It's all about perspective. It's important to be able to put ourselves in different places so we can feel how complex all these questions are. For the Senator in the movie "terror" seems to have a very simple limited maniqueist meaning.

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Fighting a War on Terror is like fighting a War on Germs. A valiant effort, but ultimately futile in it's design. Our foes are too numerous, too adaptive, and too clever to be brought down by such conventional and blunt means as military action.

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I understand what you guys are saying, but all of you (minus the first few posters) are evading the question. Do you want to win or not? Its not a question of what you are willing to sacrifice, but do you want to win. After you decide yes, or no, then you decide what you are willing to sacrifice for that answer.

All in all, the question is purely black and white. What comes after the question maybe all shades of gray, but this question is yes or no.

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The best way to win the war on terror is to keep on living, much like the british did with the IRA bombings. Suck it up and keep on moving, don't dwell on it.

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Like the person said a few posts ago - it`s about perspective.
People are being far too simplistic when talking about terrorism. Even the slogan, ` war on terror ` is simplistic. To say that the terrorists do not have a political agenda is to show your complete lack of understanding about Foreign policy. The US Government has endorsed a policy of America First since the end of WW2. This policy has funded to the tune of billions of tax payers dollars corrupt, sadistic and despotic regimes across the globe. I urge everyone to study history in order to formulate your opinions about US Foreign Policy. Read up on the US involment in Latin America, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt to name but a few. The US Government is the number one sponsor of terrorism on the planet. I urge the right wing ultanationalists to put away your Bibles and your flag and pick up a history book and read about the truth about how US Governments endorse freedom and democracy around the world.
The problem about opinions is that everyone has one. But does everyone really have a true understanding of what they are talking about?
Politicians rely on your ignorance to persue their criminal activities. Before replying - ask yourself this: Do you really know enough about this subject matter to offer a meaningful opinion?

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God forbid we should ever surrender our military.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems like you are saying that because we can't win the war on terror, we should just give up. And on top of that, completely get rid of our defenses?

I can't help but wonder, how many of you have actually been to Iraq, Afghanistan, or in some military confrontation. Have you actually witnessed the horrors of war, or are you speaking from a naive, inexperienced opinion?

Coming from one who has that experience, we can never give up. It's one thing to apply western culture to situations here, its a completely different story to apply it to the eastern nations.

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Your original question is framed illogically, and cannot be answered in its current form.

The correct question may be: "Do you want to end violence?"

I think, or at least I hope, that the moral majority desires peace, or desires the end of violence. But I could be wrong about that. Perhaps out of a global population of approx. 6.5 billion, 3.25 billion or so prefer violence.

Let's assume for a moment that the majority of the population desires the end of violence. If that's true, then the question must be, "How do we achieve the end of violence?" (If most people want it, we should probably try to achieve it.)

To answer this question, I think we must first analyze the origin of the violence.

Why do people commit violent acts? There are a number of reasons. Vengeance, rage, dogmatic principals, pathology, self-defense, and many others.

The United States, since WW2, has taken it upon themselves to police the entire planet, and to impose their idea of morality on the world, whether the world likes it or not.

(This is the US's ostensible strategy. It couldn't possibly hurt that Americans who are in positions of power -- themselves, or in collusion with lawmakers -- stand to make vast sums of money from this "policing" by being stakeholders in defense corporations. But this is tangential to my main point.)

Could it be that there are those in the world who are motivated to commit violent acts, particularly against Americans, for the simple reason that they do not wish to be policed, and that they object to having someone else's moral code imposed upon them and their fellow citizens, typically by violent means, in their own independent sovereign nation?

I think it's possible.

When those people, who feel oppressed, become motivated to commit violent acts against Americans, people in the world seem to like to brand those acts, "terrorist acts." When Americans commit violent acts against anyone outside of America, it is somehow seen as noble and justified.

Any act of violence, provoked or not, regardless of who commits it, is wrong and abhorrent. (Except for ultra-rare exceptions, such as self-defense against imminent threat of immediate death, though the Christian and Buddhist philosophies would argue even against this as a justification.)

The next question is, "How does one respond when an act of violence occurs?"

The answer is in the law. One investigates thoroughly, locates and arrests the person(s) directly responsible, tries them, and sentences them. (If we were a humane society, we would recognize that it is important to isolate violent criminals, but always try to rehabilitate them if possible.)

The answer is not retaliation with further violence.

It occurs to me that Americans, nor most citizens of the western world, do not consider that acts of violence are triggered by some specific motive, or provoked by some specific act. To avoid this analysis is ridiculous and a logic failure.

Let us awaken from this dream where western cultures are pure and noble and beyond reproach and simply the innocent victims of "terrorist acts". Let us recognize what is more likely the truth: that western cultures are targets of retaliatory acts from people who have been oppressed by our pathological need to impose our military might, and our supposedly higher moral standard, upon them.

We are wrong for policing. They are for retaliating. We are doubly wrong for retaliating back.

In order to end violence, one can begin with this kind of analysis, or something like it.

This kind of process may obviate further retaliation, which by its very nature, does absolutely nothing to end violence, but in fact, achieves the exact opposite. The cycle is perpetuated indefinitely until the species is finally extinct.

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I hope to God you live in a tree somewhere unable to infect other human beings.

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An example of someone who prefers violence. Naturally, I wouldn't expect them to appreciate this kind of argument. Thank you for your totally predictable response.

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Your Welcome.

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Acbryan First I want to thank you for maintaining a civilized discussion.

As far was what you said, I agree with you on some points but I think you have missed a few others. I will start by saying I am a christian, but I whole-heartedly support the use of violence by the law to punish the evil. This includes using the death penalty.

A humane society is not one that always rehabilitates criminals. Our jails do very little to rehabilitate those that truly need it and very little to punish those that truly need it.

I firmly believe that sticking murderers and rapists in jail is not a just punishment. I believe that nothing short of death is justice. But on the other hand, people who steal minor objects or smoke weed get sent to prisons where they are only turned into real criminals.

On another note, I also agree with you that Americans and western culture are not infallible. We have made some situations worse. We have made some situations better. After all, we are only human too.

But,I do believe that it is our job as capable humans to intervene when there are no others that will. For example, the Jews that were massacred during World War II were helpless to defend themselves. Seeing as our help was needed to fight off the evil, it was necessary defend them. As you put it, a "humane society" must be the defender of the weak.

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Thank you for your thoughtful rebuttal.

I must stand by my earlier assertions. When I referred to rehabilitation, I was referring to a penal system that does not exist today in America. One reason for this may be because prisons are used as a weapon to conduct class warfare in America. The overwhelming majority of the prison population in America is poor and disproportionately ethnic. America's prisons house 25% of the global prison population. There may be a possibility to develop functional rehabilitative infrastructure in a system like this, but I doubt it. And if there were, the US is certainly not taking advantage of it. In short, there is no rehabilitative infrastructure in prisons. I said that a humane society would rehabilitate its violent criminals. By logical extension therefore, I do not count America as a humane society. I don't know which country is.

I am not surprised that you, as a Christian, justify the use of violence, though it is in direct contravention of Jesus Christ's philosophy and teachings. It is only one of the glaring and baffling hypocrisies of that particular religion. (In my view, every popular religion is deeply flawed in the way it is practiced, with the possible exception of Buddhism.) Christianity is particularly blessed with this oddly post-modernist mania that they can do whatever they want to anyone they want, and it is all magically forgiven because "Jesus died for our sins" If Jesus knew what rubbish was transpiring in his name, he wouldn't have waited for Pontius Pilate to give the order, he would have taken his own life long before.

I don't believe that this is the justification you are referring to, but you do not seem to acknowledge that there are wide-ranging consequences when an act of violence occurs -- especially when that act is not justified in fact, but only in perception, which I believe the overwhelming proportion of violent acts are. What if someone you never met summarily and wrongly accused you of posing a direct threat to their life, and proceeded to take aggressive and violent action against you. Imagine they in fact tortured and killed you for no good reason. Think of the consequences, beyond the obvious ones to yourself personally. Your family and friends, your job or school, your entire community might feel the trauma: dozens or maybe hundreds of people impacted. Well, that is exactly what happens hundreds or thousands of times per week in any policing action that America involves itself in.

The problem with reacting to violence with violence, particularly in the case of western civilization, is that it is too difficult to demarcate what constitutes a justification for intervention, or what constitutes a threat to "national security." Understanding the wide breadth of this fuzzy area, there is simply too much temptation for abuse -- abuse by, for example, defense companies, who absolutely require conflict to survive as economic entities, and who are willing to invest millions in political contributions, for the probable reward of billions, when their political proxy makes the decision to intervene. There is no oversight of this kind of abuse. It follows that when intervention occurs that is not actually needed, innocent people suffer. The final result can only be a world described in the works of George Orwell.

How does one avoid this abuse? One can stand on principal. Not some exotic principal that requires a weird contortion of logic or morals. But in fact, the Christian philosophy. "Turn the other cheek" "Thou shalt not kill" "The meek shall inherit the earth" Are these just catch phrases with no meaning? Or do you find it more convenient to only abide by the tenets of the religion that suit you under certain circumstances, and then ignore the rest that are too onerous? Or are those tenets suitable only for other Christians?

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You are exactly right, imo. I wonder if you'll get any rebuttals to your last comment or if they would rather ignore your words and continue in their blindly ignorant beliefs. It's so pathetic.

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I prefer not to underestimate my opponents in a debate. Nor do I wish them any ill. In my personal view, violence in all forms, is wrong, and I find it absolutely inexcusable (with the possible exception of imminent threat of immediate death). But I'm happy to get other viewpoints about issues surrounding violence or social justice.

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I'm sorry but "ending violence" would be about as easy as ending kisses or crying. It is an expression or re/action of basic human feelings. Most sane people would love an end of global violence but the bottom line is violence, or most importantly the threat of violence, is a means to accomplish what you want, especially when it comes to foreign policy. Its a sad truth.

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I had completely forgotten about this thread and happen to be looking at some of my other posts when I stumbled across it. I shall do my best to explain beliefs in light of your argument.

In your second paragraph, you talk about how "Christians" do whatever they please in the name of Forgiveness. I must agree with you that this is a very bad philosophy. And most certainly one that is not preached in the Bible, unfortunately there are many people out there who call themselves Christians due to some experience that they have had in the past, but I would call into question whether or not they are actually Christians. Because, we are told in the Bible that by "their fruits," meaning actions and good deeds, we will see that they truly are Christians. Sadly, this is something that people see in the Christian church and rightly so say, "it's just a bunch of hypocrites" There is no one perfect except for Christ, but you are right in seeing that there is definitely something wrong with that philosophy. And God help me when I think that way.

Your analogy in the third paragraph seems to be slightly ill-fitting. While I do agree that it presents a valid problem, I am not sure that it fits the bill. For example, the Iraq situation, Saddam Hussein repeatedly threatened the United States and other countries. perhaps I am misinformed, but I am not aware of cases where innocents have been tortured and killed. While I will admit I am not the most up-to-date with the situation, I have not read or heard of that being the case. As a whole, I do not think that is what the United States' policies were going, nor have they ever become that. As far as whether or not any individual soldier has ever done that, I cannot imagine that there would not severe repercussions. Being as you cannot hear the emphasis in my voice allow me to repeat myself as to the severity of the penalties for such behavior.

You say that violence is in direct contravention of Christ's teachings, but I cannot help but wonder how much of the Bible you have read. This is one of the most common misconceptions about Christ's teachings. I am no Bible scholar, but I do try to read and understand as much as possible. First, the verse quoting "do not kill" is a gross translation error that particular version which has become one of the more popular arguments of pacifism in the Bible. The correct translation (if you recall the original text was written in Aramaic, and the new testament in Greek) is "do not murder." This can also be reflected in the commandments that God gave to the Israelites in the old testament. Also, I view the Bible as a whole, the new testament and the old are both part of the same book. Christ did talk about how he came to complete the law, rather than abolish it.

Now, the verse mentioning "turn the other cheek," this has to do with insults. A back handed slap in the time of Christ was a deep and provocative insult. If you were to be slapped on the cheek, turning your face would allow the slapper to have a backhanded slap opportunity. I do not believe that it can adequately be used in an argument against violence.

Thirdly, you mention the phrase "the meek shall inherit the earth." Forgive me if I am missing the point, but meekness, especially how it is referred to in this case, is about a spiritual state. Not being proud or arrogant. But understanding that I as a human am fallen and do commit sins. I am failing to see how it construes an anti-violence message.

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The only problem with your use of the Holocaust is that our involvement in WWII had nothing to do with that. Years before the US entered the war a ship with 930 refugees was turned back from Cuba and the US. The US involvement in WWII was purely self interest, nothing more.

every day may not be good, but there is good in every day

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Thank you for your post. I agree.

Human Rights: Know them, demand them, defend them.

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acbryan is correct. The american idea that they are the only "proper" humans in the world is part of the reason terrorism occurs. You can't solve violence with violence. If your civilian family was killed by US bombs you would feel the same way as the terrorists.

The only way to stop terrorism is to remove the hate that causes terrorists to take action against the US. But most people are far too narrow minded to grasp this concept.

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HAIL to you "marlinssuperfan"! Couldn't have said it better myself.

As I have never been to Iraq nor have I been in military service, my life or role in life does not fit YOUR demographic. But I am observant and am intelligent enough to grasp the content of what this Non-Western enemy of ours states with their own mouths.

My hearing is not hampered or hindered when I hear their words exclaim that every American is "the great Satan or infidel" and that we should be anihilated for our very way of LIFE. THEY MEAN EVERY WORD OF IT!

As many have realized (those who have their eyes open in any case) as I have, that I would much rather our fight be on soil outside the United States or the continent of North America. And it is critical that we maintain our strength as "one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for ALL".

We must deal with and realize that our enemies, who are non-western, do not see life on earth this way. They view it as quite the contrary.

------By their standards or way of LIFE: There will be NO Life--------------NO Liberty, NO Justice, NO Freedom--------------
------And ultimately (if they had their way through terror)... NO Just Pursuits which lead to: Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of any kind of happiness.

Keep all our troops in prayer DAILY and in conscious thought and meditation. I am grateful for all our troops' efforts, sacrifice, work, lives, etc.

"Speak softly, and carry a big stick."
By: Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt

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depends on what you define as terror, who you define as the victim.

anyway, i guess you want to win iraq and afghanisthan. donno about iraq but afghanisthan? are u kidding? no one was able to do that. mongols, alexander,mughals and in modern times british, soviet union and taliban. now it's america's turn to face the humiliation and retreat. the sooner the better, i guess.

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Peachesxo:

The answer is simple, no! First of all, how can anyone win a war
against something which does not exist. True, there are fanatical
people who do what you and I consider stupid. But they have no
established or central government, no state, no appointed
leader/spoke's man who can and will stand before world governments
and explain who, what and why they do the unthinkable. A shadowy
bearded man hiding in a cave is not a represenative leader.

In addition, winning is impossible as no one can say or describe
what constitutes a victory. Some would argue, that victory is when
these terrorist are dead. That would only be true if with the
death of the last terrorist, they leave no student who might want
to avenge them.

As for terrorism, that is an American invention. I challenge anyone
to offer a definition of Terrorist which does not apply to a history
of America which cannot apply to the native Americans, blacks or
Japanese, anything which Terrorists do today.




"If you make the world your enemy, you'll never run out of reasons to be miserable"

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I believe the war in terror is stupid. It's fighting fire with fire. Plus, terror always has and will always exist. The question itself is loaded.

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The "war on terror" is the corporate, ultra-conservative and ultra-right religious cabal's conception fabricated to keep every other American, except the very wealthy, in a state of of fear, prejudiced against all who are not white and Christian, and to keep all Americans docile. We are supposed to believe whatever the cabal desires to tell us. Therefore, the question is moot, because the cabal has designed the "war on terror." and they will end said war at their pleasurre. Please do not get me wrong - yes, 9/11 happened and yes, was perpetrated by terrorists. However, sadly that horrific event has allowed the political clique to inject their evil into all facets of our society and start wars that serve no valid purpose. Obviously I do NOT support the "'war on terror" but instead mourn the loss of every soldier, whatever their nationality. I pray for the end of the wars. To paraphrase, being paranoid does not mean I am not right.

Human Rights: Know them, demand them, defend them.

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