The Casting...


I'm kind of annoyed with the casting; is anyone else? I imagined Nathan light-haired and light-eyed with an ethereal beauty, but that's just a personal quirk and I'm not too bothered by Stephan Bender. However, the guy playing Roy is TINY (shorter than the guy playing Nathan) and looks like a 70's heartthrob, not a roughened farmboy (which, I think, contributes a lot to the way Roy is awkward about being with another boy), and the guy playing Burke has such a babyface (someone else likened him to an Abercrombie & Fitch model). I don't know, I think they "glammed" and feminized Roy and Burke up way too much.

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ive read the book and i totally agree. I see burke as a killer- evil in its purest form- and they got some very respectable all-american type kid to play it. I imagined him looking sinnister- not adorable or anything like the model he obviously is. or could be. i dont actually know the guy, so ill stay away from that one.
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...I don't agree. In the book, it's obvious that from a purely physical POV, Nathan's attracted to both Roy and Burke, they both seem to be athletic and have the build to match. It's the difference in their behaviour that makes it clear to Nathan why he's more interested in and attracted to Roy at the end of the day, not Burke's looks being repulsive in any way.

However, the book is very specific about Roy having black curls and for whatever reason, him not looking that way in the movie bothered me quite a bit. Probably because I usually don't "see" people when I read books, but that description was so specific that I did see Roy in my mind's eye that way and the actor didn't only not match the description, his hair seemed to be generally too pretty to be Roy's.

"He shall be an adder on the path, to bite a horse's heel"

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OK, I got the book and read it, and understand what you're talking about. I wouldn't agree Burke is "evil in the purest form", but more as a typical small town / rural bully. Of course what he did was very evil, but I saw his character more as a typical bully who did something evil under certain circumstances & the influence of liquor.

I agree that it would seem the actors playing Nathan & Roy should have their roles reversed. Maybe Randy Wayne can pull off Burke.

Interesting book - short & powerful. Should be an interesting movie.

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It's such a wonderful and terrible (as in, unbelievably heart-wrenching) book. I met Jim Grimsley at a writer's conference in Atlanta and told him I wanted to punch him and hug him for writing it :P I thought it was weird he didn't mention anything about the movie, though-- I guess he assumed I knew, but I didn't find out until a week or two later.

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This movie is doomed to failure because the cast has been 'tarted up"for Hollywood and young girls. Randy Wayne cannot hope to play Burke effectively.
Wayne looks like he should be wearing Prince Charming duds and be in a Barbie movie, or play Barbie.

From the text ... (Burke)"He has dense, square, ungraceful muscles, and a dark patch of hair in the cleft of his chest"... Wayne looks like a Speedo model.
more later ...

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to continue ... the casting is all wrong on this one. Max Roeg playing ROY is another miscasting. Roy is a two years older than Nathan. He is physically taller and more robust than the younger boy. He is tall and rangy with farmboy honed muscles, a full grace moving his body and the innate ability to command respect from others. The pictures of Roeg look like kid who's afraid you will steal his IPOD.

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I agree.

I was glad to see that Stephan Bender was playing Nathan at first because the only time I had seen him was as young Clark Kent in Superman and in 2-year-old photos on his website. I thought he was more baby-faced and thus perfect for the role. The kicker came when he posted new pics from behind the scenes of the movie.

I was mad.

He was taller than "Roy" and he looked OLDER than "Roy". He had grown a LARGE cleft and a defined jaw-line that no freshman or sophomore in any highschool would have. I now look at him with a slight disgust. His face looks like it hurts...

I was not mad at the movie's choice for Burke because in Bender's behind the scenes pics Bender looked like there was something sinister behind his eyes.

You'd have to go to stephen bender's site to see, but Burke kina scares me.

I always pictured Roy as being WAY bigger than Nathan, but I haven't seen the movie so I don't know how things will play out on screen.

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Rickie Lee Jones as ROYS mother is the biggest joke of all in this casting mess. Roys mother is described as obese with rolling waves of fat. The mother is explicitly described as a diabetic with circulation problems and it is implied that the illness is an effect of her obesity. Ricki Lee Jones is a willowy, waspy , Cali girl, love child. Perhaps they put her in a fat suit like Travolta in "Hairspray".

This movie is a train wreck in motion. I cannot wait to see the result, on DVD. What a shame, yet another mess from H'wood.

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"Tarted up for Hollywood"?

The Director, James Bolton is hardly a Hollywood "A-List" Director, and the budget of $1.2 mil. is one of Bolton's biggest budgeted movies yet, but there are probably Superbowl 60 second commercials with bigger budgets.

I agree at face value some of the casting decisions appear odd choices, but then it is acting, and several of the actors very likely sought and/or accepted the roles for the opportunity of a break through performance that is an abrupt chance of pace from their previous roles. Just saying let's have a little more faith in Bolton and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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Well said, NevadaGuy!

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while I was glad that the movie was being made and I repect the daring of the director to pour his own past into the making of this film, I couldn't help but think that the casting errors were birthed from the repressed sexual tension of the movie's director.

I wouldn't put it far from myself to have two hot actors steam up the screen together if I had the chance.

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Personally, I'm glad I didn't read the book, because I don't have any preconceived notions for what these characters should or shouldn't look like. Which means that I was able to enjoy the performances of all the actors instead of judging how "appropriate" they were for the roles they were cast in.

I think you people need to chill out. This is a movie, and the reality of gay cinema is that it takes hot guys to get a lot of gay people to the theater. Is that the filmmaker's fault, or is that a problem inherent in gay culture? I think it's the latter. But if the truth about our community is that we are callously shallow (and I believe we are), then the filmmaker is simply doing what he must to get people to actually see his movie. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes. The problem is not his; it's ours.

This is hardly a "Hollywood movie," as you indicate. The budget was minimal (just over $1 million, as someone else pointed out), and the only thing that has really been changed from the book is the appearance of some of the characters. But here's the thing: All of the actors do great jobs with their roles, and Stephen Bender and Max Roeg are particularly effective as the two lead characters. Despite their difference in size, they very realistically create realities for their roles. And Roy is definitely every inch a farm boy. That comes across in the movie very well.

By the way, Rickie Lee Jones isn't the waspy Cali girl you think she is. I didn't even recognize her in the movie.

I would recommend reserving your judgment until you've actually seen the movie. And don't be so attached to what it looks like. This is not YOUR novel, nor is it your story. The novelist himself is a fan of the movie, so let go of your preconceived notions and just enjoy the film as its own creation. Otherwise you're just going to pick it apart, and seriously, where's the fun in that?

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i just saw the movie! a private screening here at emory university, where jim teaches (i'm also taking classes with him). i think the casting was fine. i admit i've never read the book. but i think they played their characters well. not oscar-winning performances, obviously, but they made the roles believable. stephan in nathan's role was the best, i would think. roeg as roy was ok.

and for those who think wayne can't pull off burke, i think he did. i don't know what essence he gave off in the book but in the movie, he came off as creepy/bully/up to no good/definitely capable of an evil act.

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Thanks, Ambrosia, for the information. Did they have any info as when the film will get a wider theatrical release and/or availability on DVD?

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The movie will be show at several film festivals in the United States and worldwide. Hopefully, it will be coming to movie theaters near you after it is shown at these film festivals.

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I haven't seen the movie yet but by appearance, I'm disappointed as well. I imagined the main character to look pure and pale with light blue eyes and according to the book, wasn't the lover an african american boy? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have an old memory about "chocolate" skin.

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No, Roy wasn't black.

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AMEN! One of my biggest dreams was that someday someone would take the story of Nathan and Roy and make it into a movie. Well ladies and gentlemen. it has finally happened... and I could not be more disappointed and horrified. I mean I know that when people make a novel into a movie they always mess it up somehow.... but to take it and rip it from limb to limb.... leaving only bits and pieces of the carnage plastered across ones screen. You would have to be a very close family member too even identify the body! Dental records could not even figure this one out. This wonderful novel has been butchered... and the murderer? James Bolton. MURDERER! I want to cry from the roof tops! MURDERER!!!! Who... who are you to take this book and kill it? Nathan? Nathan is a weak mouse of a character.. and who do you get to play him? The kid who played a child Clark Kent in "Superman Returns" WTF??? He is shy, introverted, frail.... and you get superman? And Roy.... Roy! SHAMEEEE On you James... Who is that person trying to fill the shoes of Roy... I spit on you James Bolton! and all the people you got to cast this film! You murderers of imagination and continuity.
I mean really.... no one fits into their role AT ALL! I wonder what Jim thinks.

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Well, if you could refrain from spewing your bile long enough to, I dunno, look at Jim's website?

http://web.mac.com/grimjim/Jim_Grimsley/Constant_Curmudgeon/Entries/2008/2/19_Seeing_The_Movie.html

Apparently he's more than satisfied with Mr. Bolton's vision of the story.

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"Apparently he's more than satisfied with Mr. Bolton's vision of the story."

Thank you. And may I suggest the previous poster cut back on the caffeine?

Stephan Bender played Clark Kent as a young boy, all of 3 minutes in the movie. But then, one of the best known actors portraying Superman - Christopher Reeves - was also very convincing playing a gay man in the film Death Trap. I suppose that's why they call it "acting".

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